africa = luxury lodges and not much else

Oct 11th, 2007, 06:53 AM
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So you think simple B&B's are almost finished in the UK? Where did you get that information from? I can assure you that you can still find clean, safe and simple B&B's for under £30 pppn. Admittedly this isnt in city centres, but almost everywhere in rural UK, such B&B's abound.
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Oct 11th, 2007, 06:57 AM
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Hi Amol,

How was Mashatu? Any Highlights you wish to share?

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Oct 12th, 2007, 05:15 AM
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Dr Ralph - I find your post seriously offensive. But your comment about my wanting just to "rile up the true travelers" is fascinating.

I guess you must be a "true traveller" - right? What exactly is your definition of a "true traveller".

Go on, enlighten us all, please do.
A summary of your experiences as a "true traveller" could be very interesting.

I don't expect we will hear from you again.

To everyone else - thanks again for a very interesting discussion. I will be back. Afrigalah, hope to return to SA one day so your suggestion appeciated.

HariS - you are right.

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Oct 12th, 2007, 07:27 PM
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A true traveller has an open mind, however, when you said in a prior India post that you were sexually assaulted on a train, yet still recommended to that 32 year old single female traveller that it is safe to travel on trains alone in India, you are doing a disservice to travelers looking to the site for advice.

To answer your question, yes, travelers really think they have been to India or Africa if they haven't been on a local bus in Nairobi, Lagos, or Delhi. Yes, we have eaten in local restaurants; however, the food tastes much better in five star hotels or luxury lodges!

Chimani, please elaborate on your take on tipping in Africa, Sumatra, Egypt, Russia, Bali, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, Malaysia, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Cambodia, China, Philippines, Nepal, Tibet, Buhtan, India, Korea, Taiwan, Germany, Austria, Italy, France, England, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, Malta, Spain, Portugal, Morrocco, Turkey, Tehran, Libya, Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador, Belize, Panama, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Jamaica, Nassau, Puerto Rico, St John, St Thomas, St Martin, Grenada, Dominican Republic, Martinique, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Peru, Colombia, Venezuela, Canada, and the United States.

In Sumatra, we met many travelers from Germany who tried to read us the riot act for leaving a small tip on the table. They accused us of ruining it for them because they were too cheap to leave a small tip. The locals there made less than a thousand dollars a year and really appreciated anything left on the table.

Chimani, your trash is ruining it for the real people who can get something out of this forum.

Best Regards,

P.S. Take two aspirin and go to bed.
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Oct 12th, 2007, 08:09 PM
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Very sorry to hear about the horror train experience in India (mentioned in the above post)and i suppose one must be vigilant wherever on earth you go! However, today with more and more flights operating across every small/big Indian town, city ...... why should anyone take the train anymore? There are lots of different carriers with varying price ranges across the scale to meet every need. Why waste time taking the train across our country which is HUGE (Besides every train station across India - sorry to admit smells of URINE).

Even my small town in Southern India now has almost hourly connections to a lot of major cities ..... if you wish to recommend the train experience to fellow travellers, no harm i suppose! but, you know they are only going to complain because it is going to be inconvenient .......

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Oct 13th, 2007, 08:08 AM
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Tourists don't know where they've been, travelers don't know where they're going."

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Oct 13th, 2007, 08:24 AM
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as for the earlier discussion of defining a "traveller"...

a first-timer in africa, flying from one park (/camp) to another, is definitely a 'tourist' by that definition

Thanks Chimani for starting this thread
(plus another remark on another thread)
however, it is somewhat too simplistic, generalizing and provocative and thus misses a bit...

a bit short on time, i'll join later for more

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