Go Back  Fodor's Travel Talk Forums > Destinations > Africa & the Middle East
Reload this Page > About to fork over $15,500 for Safari, is this reasonable?

About to fork over $15,500 for Safari, is this reasonable?

Reply

Sep 30th, 2005, 09:45 AM
  #61
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,822
Rocco,
I don't see anything wrong with spending $15 on a safari either. But in this case the OP would've spent $15.5K on an identical safari that was easily available for almost $4K less. I don't believe that $4K difference was for the benefit of Africa.
Patty is offline  
Reply With Quote
Sep 30th, 2005, 09:48 AM
  #62
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,822
Obviously, I left out the K in that first figure
Patty is offline  
Reply With Quote
Sep 30th, 2005, 09:54 AM
  #63
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,222
Patt, I don't have any problems spending $15 on safari either, although I'd really have to wonder about the quality.

bat, yes admiration is fine, but so ephemeral. I was really hoping for The Vest. Although I don't have anything to put in all those pockets other than M&Ms.

Congrats, bugswife. I'm glad you found something to your taste for a more reasonable price.
Leely is offline  
Reply With Quote
Sep 30th, 2005, 10:49 AM
  #64
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Posts: 456
Please, folks! I'm just an academic (a historian) who knows nothing about books from the Christian right, but happens to think that $15,500 for this trip is too expensive (heavens! the people have to buy their meals on Zanzibar in addition to the base cost). I was in Mfuwe less than a year ago and I agree that the prosperity of the area is impressive, thanks in large part to the safari industry. No one has mentioned, though, how much of the money really ends up in UK or USA bank accounts of the safari owners. That's a deeper issue beyond the scope of this discussion. ZZ
Zambezi is offline  
Reply With Quote
Sep 30th, 2005, 11:04 AM
  #65
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,553
ZZ,

While true that some of the money ends up back in UK and USA bank accounts, I would hate to think where the wildlife would be in Zambia and elsewhere if not for ecotourism, and, yech, even trophy hunting.
Roccco is offline  
Reply With Quote
Sep 30th, 2005, 11:51 AM
  #66
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,309
Interesting comment, Zambezi.
I donít doubt that the people of Mfuwe are extremely happy to have the safari industry - and thatís essential for wildlife. But, if they are anything like the rest of the human species, their feelings towards the tourists and companies must be VERY mixed.

To fork out fantasy sums on safaris is better than collecting money in a heap so that your children and their children will be born with power over people with less money and never have to bother about the problems of the ďrealĒ world. But, many people, even in Western countries, canít travel anywhere and, especially at a moment when rules are being bent more and more in favour of people with money, this kind of extravagances could make the majority speak out clearly that they donít feel like being ďhorse-shit-eating sparrowsĒ.
(I couldnít find a smiley with a Molotov cocktail, so I took a red devil)

Safari njema, Bugswife1



Nyamera is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 1st, 2005, 03:53 AM
  #67
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,126
So, yesterday I forwarded the Serendipity itinerary to AAC. I really didn't expect a reply since I have been going back and forth with him for 2 months and I figured he would just say _____ you, and move on. Instead, he thanked me and asked for the weekend to look into it and see what he could do. So, more updates on Monday, but I really don't believe he will be able to touch the other price. And if I didn't say it before, I really owe you all a big 'thanks'!
bugswife1 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 4th, 2005, 10:59 AM
  #68
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,126
So, over the weekend, Serendipity comes up with a confirmation at all the places I wanted. Told them I would get back to them by Wednesday.
Still waiting for an answer from AAC for a concrete reason as to why their price is $4K higher. As soon as I know, so will you. Meanwhile, $4K will buy a nice piece of jewelry on my trip : - )
bugswife1 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 4th, 2005, 03:26 PM
  #69
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,553
Nyamera,

Hate to break it to you, but there are probably more disenfranchised people that vote to keep the current powers-that-be in power than there are disenfranchised people that are ready to stand up and demand change. Unfortunately, people are VERY easily manipulated.

As a result, I have found that apathy is a very good solution. I do what is best for myself, my loved ones (including my 10 dogs) and the African wildlife and don't sweat the rest of the stuff. As long as I am allowed to make an adequate income to support my passions, I am not going to make too many waves.
Roccco is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 4th, 2005, 05:35 PM
  #70
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 453
Bugswife:
<<Meanwhile, $4K will buy a nice piece of jewelry on my trip >>

OR, a very nice down payment on your next safari! ;-)
cooncat2 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 07:26 AM
  #71
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,309
Rocco,

I hope Zambezi and not you are right though evidence speaks in your favour. It even seems as if there are more disenfranchised people who want to do whatís best for themselves through burglary and highway robbery than who want to stand up and demand change. I donít make that many waves either and only give passive support to the ones that do stand up. But I am thinking, only thinking, about becoming more active. Iíd say that when youíre closer to becoming disenfranchised yourself you feel a bigger urge to do something, but there are many people who only become more willing to lick upwards and kick downwards. I hope that making an adequate income to support my passions wouldnít anaesthetise me, but itíd be difficult to find out even if my passions werenít unmeasured. Iíve got only one cat though.

Nyamera is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 09:12 AM
  #72
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,553
Nyamera,

It just boggles my mind. I am FAR from disenfranchised yet I would never vote to keep the current administration in power and very grudgingly voted for John Kerry in the last election (although I will not vote again in the future for an administration that I do not truly believe in).

The fact that probably 95% of the people that voted to keep the current administration in place are more disenfranchised than I am is a very sad statement. Why would they want more of the same? Do people really have such low expectations? Hmmmm.
Roccco is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 09:48 AM
  #73
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Posts: 4,222
Rocco,
Anecdotal: I have an aged relative who lives entirely off her deceased husband's social security, and that is very, very little money. Guess who she voted for??? I asked her why and she replied "Oh, I don't know, I just think we'll be safer."

I consider myself only partially anesthetized, and that's necessary to preserve some sanity and to prevent me from gnashing my teeth and slapping my forehead in utter disbelief.

Um, but back to African travel. I'm glad you found a safari for considrably less money bugswife. And agree with cooncat: save the "extra" for the next time.

Leely is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 10:11 AM
  #74
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 2,309
Rocco,
Why donít you vote for Ralph Nader? Iím not American, but from what Iíve heard he must be a better alternative.

Bugswife1,
This is still a bit off topic, but $4K is more than I spent on three weeks in Kenya including international flights. Youíll need to go back so, like Cooncat and Leely I say: save it for your next trip.





Nyamera is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 10:30 AM
  #75
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,822
This thread seems to have taken a sudden turn

Nyamera,
I could tell you why I wouldn't vote for Nader but this is probably not the best forum to do so I know where I'd spend that extra $4K too.

bugswife,
I'm glad you were able to get confirmation for all of your accomodations. Did you hear anything back from AAC? Hope you have a great trip and don't forget to report back when you return.
Patty is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 10:48 AM
  #76
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,965
Nyamera,
We have a most unfortunate expression in the US: "hold your nose and vote." Sadly, I've done it far too often. So when people in the US wonder why the citizens in other countries don't try to change their political culture, I think it may be that they may be facing similar bad choices (or no realistic choice at all).
dsquared is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 11:06 AM
  #77
bat
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,790
continuing off topic: Re 3rd parties in the U.S--we have "winner take all" elections so unlike some European countries where if a 3rd party polls 10% in the national election, they get 10% of the national reps.; not so here. Makes it difficult for 3rd parties to be more than mere "spoilers."
bat is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 02:40 PM
  #78
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,126
how in the heck did this get political? Was it all that talk of elephants?
Heard back from AAC. Wrote some lame email about how his guides are more thorough and have the most expertise. Also added that Serendipity did not say that drinks in the 4 x 4's are included & that one day we have a box lunch instead of lunch at Sopa. Funny. Even if I had to pay for my lunch and drank $100 worth of water a day, I would still come out $3000 ahead! Asked AAC who they use for their guides. This should be interesting.
bugswife1 is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 5th, 2005, 05:37 PM
  #79
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,916
AAC has no excuse. The reason that their price is $4,000 higher is likely b/c they farm out part, if not all, of their tour, and they add a mark-up.

They had better be serving chilled Dom Perignon and lobsters for lunch to justify their silly price.

How in the world do they know their guides are "more thorough" -- that's a meaningless statement. What, do their guides stop at every lion pride while others skip a few. I'm sure their guides are excellent, just no more excellent than the guides at other companies.

They are not being candid or honest with their nonsensical response.

thit_cho is offline  
Reply With Quote
Oct 6th, 2005, 09:36 AM
  #80
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 1,126
just got a call from AAC. They claim that their guides and vehicles are far superior to those used by companies like Roys. Roys is the guide that Serendipity is using. Now I am really confused.
bugswife1 is offline  
Reply With Quote
 



Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On


FODOR'S VIDEO

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 09:59 PM.