2009 Rates Botswana & SA
Apr 15th, 2008, 05:02 AM
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2009 Rates Botswana & SA
When are the 2009 rates for the camps (Wilderness, Kwando etc.) and the Sabi Sands lodges available? Are there and thoughts on the percent increase over 2008? We are starting to plan a trip for 2009.
Thanks,
cj
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cj
Apr 15th, 2008, 07:59 AM
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CJ: I expect that most companies will release their 2009 rates at the INDABA trade show in mid-May so they should be out relatively soon. I have heard a buzz to expect increases that could range from 10 to 25% across properties. I sure hope that a significant number of properties are in the 10% or less category!
Apr 15th, 2008, 08:35 AM
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cj, I've been looking into a couple of possible SSGR lodges for 2009 (Mala Mala and Elephant Plains) and both have already posted 2009 rates on their respective websites; maybe others in SSGR have done so as well. I've also been loooking at Mashatu (Botswana), which has posted for 2009 on their website. Phinda (SA) told me to expect 2009 rates towards the end of June.
Apr 15th, 2008, 10:22 AM
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agree with predator - the come out for indaba
EP and MM are completely different products not only because of the features and rates but also because of the size of concession. nevertheless EP is great value for money! and go for the "luxury suite" and consider your SUV at EP as the might fill every seat during peak season which mounts up to 9/10 pax!
regarding the increase:
i fear they increase by 20% to make up for the ZAR decrease.
EP and MM are completely different products not only because of the features and rates but also because of the size of concession. nevertheless EP is great value for money! and go for the "luxury suite" and consider your SUV at EP as the might fill every seat during peak season which mounts up to 9/10 pax!
regarding the increase:
i fear they increase by 20% to make up for the ZAR decrease.
Apr 18th, 2008, 06:29 AM
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If Sabi Sabi and Mala Mala are anything to go by rates for 2009 will go up by around 9%, this is well below the rate of inflation in South Africa.If you are converting from foreign currencies to pay in Rands this at the moment will probably mean no increase at all. The fall in value of the Rand has very little effect as virtually everything used in SA camps sourced in Rands.
No ideas as to what to expect in Botswana, but do not expect massive increases on the back of the fall in US$.
No ideas as to what to expect in Botswana, but do not expect massive increases on the back of the fall in US$.
Apr 18th, 2008, 07:26 PM
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Going by the e-gnu site - which is only a broad guideline ....... looks like only a marginal increase for 2009. I don't think anything substantial is justified at the moment, anyways. Just my 2cents!
Apr 20th, 2008, 01:22 PM
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Sorry -
Last post a bit misleading...
I checked and we have the camp rates, but nothing yet for Explorations. No info on when they are due, but I will update when I have any news on those.
Regards,
James
Last post a bit misleading...
I checked and we have the camp rates, but nothing yet for Explorations. No info on when they are due, but I will update when I have any news on those.
Regards,
James
Apr 29th, 2008, 11:38 PM
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There may be a recession in some areas of the world, does that mean that prices should be reduced.
Tell that to all the food rioters in Haiti etc.
Inflation in Southern Africa is at least 10%, a litre of fuel has increased from ZAR5.5 to ZAR 9.5 in 2 years, who do you think should pay.
There may be a recession in some areas of the world, does that mean that prices should be reduced.
Tell that to all the food rioters in Haiti etc.
Inflation in Southern Africa is at least 10%, a litre of fuel has increased from ZAR5.5 to ZAR 9.5 in 2 years, who do you think should pay.
Apr 30th, 2008, 03:28 AM
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in sa more than 50% increase in electricity costs, inflation almost 14 %, fuel prices up....
in the earlier days there was no real justification for room rate increase anually by 20-25 % - but still they increased it. now they have reached a level which is already extremly high - more than double compared to 2003 - despite the favourable exchange rate now!
e.g. in 2003 a mercedes 180C rental cost the equivalent of 41€ up until 01. nov, then they doubled to 85€! and further increase based on the current circumstances/inflation/ increase for commodities might become difficult without jeoradizing tourism - at least in the mid-range venues. and i am sure they will increase further in 2010 ;-)
regarding recession: that might be the case for mig-range accommodation. but high-end venues won't lose any client as this clientele has not to fear any recession at all.
e.g. kwando might lose but mombo certainly not.
elephant plains might lose but singita certainly not.
in the earlier days there was no real justification for room rate increase anually by 20-25 % - but still they increased it. now they have reached a level which is already extremly high - more than double compared to 2003 - despite the favourable exchange rate now!
e.g. in 2003 a mercedes 180C rental cost the equivalent of 41€ up until 01. nov, then they doubled to 85€! and further increase based on the current circumstances/inflation/ increase for commodities might become difficult without jeoradizing tourism - at least in the mid-range venues. and i am sure they will increase further in 2010 ;-)
regarding recession: that might be the case for mig-range accommodation. but high-end venues won't lose any client as this clientele has not to fear any recession at all.
e.g. kwando might lose but mombo certainly not.
elephant plains might lose but singita certainly not.
Apr 30th, 2008, 05:34 AM
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<<"Inflation in Southern Africa is at least 10%, a litre of fuel has increased from ZAR5.5 to ZAR 9.5 in 2 years, who do you think should pay.">>
Hopefully not me.
All my cost of goods and fuel have increased for my business as well personal expenses. My fees, however, have remained the same - otherwise I'd lose the micro threads holding my business together.
Funny how that doesn't seem to apply to the safari business. I haven't figured out if we're fools or so desperate to get to Africa that we pay these price increases.
Supply and demand.
Hopefully not me.
All my cost of goods and fuel have increased for my business as well personal expenses. My fees, however, have remained the same - otherwise I'd lose the micro threads holding my business together.
Funny how that doesn't seem to apply to the safari business. I haven't figured out if we're fools or so desperate to get to Africa that we pay these price increases.
Supply and demand.
