momlettinggo

My husband and I will be traveling from Southern CA and our daughter will be meeting us for a vacation from her Peace Corps service in Malawi. She will be in Lilongwe and completing a Peace Corps training on May 27th. She would like to fly out from there on Saturday or Sunday to meet us and avoid another trip from village to airport. We had a lot of emergencies recently, so we know we are way behind on planning.

We've already looked into flights between JNB, CPT, and LVI and Malawi. From that we discovered, she can fly from Lilongwe to Livingstone on M,W, SA and SU. But getting from Livingstone back to Malawi would be a 2 day trip.

Our plan is 4-6 days Livingstone/VFalls; Safari in Kruger area or elsewhere?(2-4 days) and end in Cape Town for a few days sightseeing.

From Cape Town, we will be flying to Blantyre and staying another 5-8 days in Southern Malawi with our daughter. In Southern Malawi we will see the Tea Estates, Zomba Plateau, and visit her village and home and meet some of her friends We will also definitely be visiting Liwonde National Park as it is right by her village and is part of her service area, and this is an option for a luxury safari camp stay for the 2 of us that will help spend our travel $$ in the community that has welcomed her. If we find a good budget safari in S. Africa, we will probably opt to stay in the MVUU Safari Camp. But if we end up doing a more expensive luxury camp experience in S. Africa, we probably will just do day trips in via boat or 4WD.

We need advice on the 10-14 days we travel elsewhere. It's her vacation to enjoy running water & electricity and a ONE TIME Bucket List trip for us. We want to go places to see the wildlife diversity that we won’t find in Liwonde—big cats, giraffes, zebra, big 5. Our plan is meet in Livingstone and see Victoria Falls, do guided day trips to Chobe, Zambezi, Hwange, and/or Okavanga Delta. We want to not repeat treks to areas that will mostly be lots of hippos and crocodiles since we can observe those in Malawi whether we stay at MVUU Camp or just take day trips.
We are all pretty fit and do hikes of up to 8-10 miles at a photographers pace. So if it is worth doing, we could and would do a one day drive in or hiking safari in Okavanga Delta if such a thing is possible from the falls area because we sure can’t afford the luxury tents and flights into that area. And we are not luxury oriented travelers interested in high thread count. In fact, we would prefer to stay in modest cabins/cottages where we could share a 1 bedroom with a small kitchen since we are all vegan/vegetarians.
While saying that, we will still want to do 1 modest/standard/or even luxury safari for 2 nights as a minimum (3-5 if we can find the $$ and availability) with the focus on quality of game watching vs. accommodations— and a lot depends on our air fare costs. We are thinking that we should consider doing it in South Africa given the exchange rate, probably around Kruger, but up for other suggestions. Not sure if we can find availability in modest bungalows for 3 in the Park, or if any triple accommodations exist in the Private Reserve camps, but would appreciate feedback on whether we would be talking two different levels of actual wildlife viewing, and we'll regret not going the luxury route for fewer nights for better viewing. And/or adding another day trip out of VF besides Chobe?

Thanks for any guidance you can provide on whether to stay more/less anywhere, and lodging options throughout.

stokeygirl

Given that you plan to end up in Malawi, and also that you are interested in walking safari, I'd suggest incorporating South Luangwa in Zambia, where walking safaris are a big thing. And from South Luangwa you can arrange a road transfer to Lilongwe at the end.

So I'd suggest starting with a few days in Cape Town, then go up to the Falls and then fly to South Luangwa (Proflight Zambia is the airline you need), then go by road to end up in Lilongwe.

In South Luangwa, I'd look at Robin Pope camps, or Norman Carr or Remote Africa. For example, with Norman Carr you can do a nice 7 day trail along the Luwi River staying at Kakuli, Nsolo and Luwi. Or with Remote Africa spend a few nights at Tafika, then 2 nights each at Crocodile and Chikoko camps.

June is shoulder season in Zambia, and you should be able to get away without paying a single supplement for your daughter- for sure Norman Carr don't charge a single supplement in June and Robin Pope don't charge all year round.

momlettinggo

Thank you sooo much for this suggestion. Robin Pope camps are clearly not available for 3, and I've emailed Norman Carr. They have an advertised special of 3 days Remote Africa combined with 3 days at Flatdogs Camp so we are hoping there will be 3 spaces available on one of his trips that works with our timing.

I'll keep you posted. Love all your other posts and advice on these forums.

stokeygirl

Flatdogs have a couple of 2 bedroom houses that would be nice for your family- the Jackalberry Treehouse and the Crocs Nest. Flatdogs also do a nice package with the treehouse and Lion Camp, which would be worth considering.

momlettinggo

Even more good advice. Thank you sooo much. I also found this special on Flatdogs website which seems to have walking safari as an option but with 4WD rides also. It is more expensive and covers a different region for 4 days--Lower Zambezi which sounds interesting.

http://www.flatdogscamp.com/wp-conte...ckage-2016.pdf

More expensive and 2 days longer, but right now I'm thrilled with the different direction and off the beaten path. I was discouraged at the high prices in Botswana, high traffic in Chobe and iffy about Kruger where I was overwhelmed with info.

Thanks again. Wish it wasn't middle of the night there. I'm going to have to get up at 1 am PST to see what kind of options I get back.

christabir

For more affordable options in Botswana, see http://www.footsteps-in-africa.com. They also do mobile safaris if interested. Highly regarded and more affordable than most.

In Kruger, you can do self drive in Kruger Park. If you'd like that, see www.SanParks.org for availability for days you will be there. I prefer BD(3) bungalows as they have ensuite bathrooms and a kitchenette. The accommodations are surprisingly nice. The rest camps in the south of the park are in excellent game viewing areas, I also like Satara. Book camps with restaurants if you don't want to cook.

I love to combine self drive with private reserves - nDzuti - the owner/manager is a locally famous conservationist, Africa on Foot - they do walking safaris and game drives daily with very highly regarded rangers. Shindzela is a nice small lodge I liked a lot. Another nice lodge is nThambo. Arathusa is nice with the waterhole in camp. There are other affordable options. S Africa us a bargain right now because the Rand is very favorable against the dollar. Your biggest issue will be availability at this late date. Kruger is spectacular.

Contact Wild-Wings for help with planning. They are local and will be able to book at the same or lower rates than you can and find specials we don't know about. They can help with transfers so they make sense. Sometimes with last minute and the overwhelming options it can help to have someone who can work within your budget and timeframe and know which lodges can accommodate three.

Have fun. No matter what you choose will be great. Just try not to do too much in a short time - sometimes less is better so you experience more, travel less.

stokeygirl

Personally, I think with the time you have, I wouldn't try and do Lower Zambezi as well. South Luangwa is huge, and although Flatdogs has some great accommodation and it is good value, it is also just outside the main gate and therefore in the busiest area of the park. I think one of the combinations of Flatdogs with one of the camps deep into the park will give you a better experience. I haven't stayed at Kasaka but I know it's outside Lower Zambezi too. My feeling is that the option of both parks is more expensive but will be a decrease in the quality of the experience, because the extra money is just spent on transport. Even at Flatdogs, the package with Kasaka has you in the safari tents whereas the package with Lion Camp uses the treehouse which would be much nicer for your group.

Also, I think Lower Zambezi and the water experience there is going to be more similar to what you will experience in Malawi.

I think I would look at the Flatdogs/Lion Camp combo, or the Flatdogs/Chikoko (which would have more of a walking focus as Chikoko is a walking only camp). Or the Norman Carr option I was talking about is this-
http://www.normancarrsafaris.com/saf...n-the-wildside

Another camp which is not too expensive is Kafunta River Lodge- they do nice packages with their walking only bush camp Island Camp. They also have a new camp, 3 Rivers, that is supposed to open this June. If that is on schedule I think that would definitely be worth a try.

momlettinggo

Great feedback and additional thoughts. Your posts have had wonderful advice.

However, when we put the budget together and factor in all the extras not included, gratuities for staff and guides, ground transportation in Cape Town etc., the per day costs are still big compared to Kruger with the Rand vs. $$ exchange. We've completely reversed our sequence based upon this idea of a road transfer back to Malawi, and that has helped. I think our plan is much better than the first one (2 nights in Kruger and day trips from Livingstone). Instead, we can now afford 3 nights in Kruger and 4 nights in South Luangwa, plus our TBD adventure in Liwonde NP in Malawi.

Any advise on too much/too little time, or thoughts about the Kruger Camp would be welcomed.

We now think we will meet in Cape Town for a few days and my daughter can come a day late so we can rest/get over jet lag, and thus add some cushion to keep the stress down if any of our flights is delayed/missed/re-routed. If we miss the trip to Table Mountain, it's not so expensive as the domino effect if we can't start our expensive safari.
We will fly nonstop to Hoedspruit and do a 3 night safari at Umlani Bush Lodge. We have a family hut on hold there, and that safari is 1/3 of the cost per day at Flatdog. It is eco-friendly for our tree-hugging family, and reviews look good. This will give us the game drive experience and 2 different areas.

Then we will fly out of Nelspruit direct to Livingstone and spend 2 nights by the Falls. From there, it looks like our best bet is the Walking Camps at Remote Africa. The 6 day with Flatdog Camp puts us about $2,000 over our budget, so we are thinking about doing 4 nights at the higher rate at Crocodile River Camp--would prefer the Tree Camp, but I don't think they have 2 rooms available that coincide with the rest of our pieces.

We will then have the walking safari experience without even the option to go by 4WD or have them used by others in camp. Sounds lovely.

After that its back to Malawi with 7 days of safari in 2 countries under our belts. The plan feels pretty firm, but its now the weekend, so I just hope availability holds until we get all the answers back.

Stop me if I've done something you think I'll regret. Again, I love this forum, and I'll be sure to stay tuned to these wise posts.

momlettinggo

So many options we are evaluating. Almost forgot--The Week on the Wildside you suggested looks great, but again, we are short on time and $$ and would have to eliminate Kruger, and my husband is leaning toward 7 nights maximum in 2 different countries vs. 6 nights in 2 camps/one Park in Zambia. I am still awaiting a reply from Norman Carr Safaris availability and quote.I've made an inquiry about possibly 4 days at whatever camps they have available at the nightly rate they use on the 7 night special, and if that comes through, that would be another great option within the budget. They don't do the road exchanges so they referred me to their group handler in Malawi who can book at the same rates as they can but do the extras.

Some of their other safaris skip past the first night in the lodge and in fact so does the Luwi River Trail safari. I think we would enjoy that even if we only stay at 1-2 camps. And putting our 4 nights in there would allow us to do night drives, and morning walks, and afternoon/sunset drives that aren't available at Crocodile River Camp. But if we cut back to 4 nights in one camp and we're paying the higher nightly rate, 3 nights would be plenty to explore the area and then maybe we should add a 4th night on the Umlani Bush Lodge. Any thoughts???

momlettinggo

Any thoughts on Pafuri Walking Trail as an option? With the currency savings, it is definitely a cheaper option than the Luangwa safaris. And the $$ are definitely the factor now. At first we were time limited. Now we are $$ limited.

stokeygirl

OK, some thoughts-
I do feel you are still trying to squeeze in a bit too much and not taking into account transit times. One thing you are not taking into account is how far some of these camps in SOuth Luangwa are from Mfuwe airstrip.

Crocodile camp is one of the most remote camps. It's 2.5 hours drive from Mfuwe to Tafika (Remote Africa's main camp), then to get to Crocodile from Tafika you need to drive to the river (15 mins), take a canoe across the river and then walk 45 mins to the camp. Clearly this last bit would not be possible in the dark. Total time from the airport, probably about 4 hours.

So to fly from Livingstone and get all the way to Crocodile in one day is not practical (not without arriving in the dark). Same thing coming out and getting a road transfer to Lilongwe. It might be possible but it would be a hell of a long day.

I stayed at Crocodile and Chikoko in June 2014, and that was one of the only parts of the park where I found high grass to be a real problem- so I wouldn't pick it as your only camp in June. Also, from those camps there is only walking, and you cannot even drive to different areas to walk. So 4 nights there is too long.

If you are only going to pick one camp in the park, I think due to transit times it will have to be one in the more central area of the park, and I would pick one which offers a mix of activities. Given your budget I'd consider Flatdogs or Kafunta. You could go further afield to Lion Camp, which is only about a 2 hour drive from Mfuwe. It would be a shame to be limited to the central area of the park. If you can make Lion Camp work with the timings, I would pick that.

I'm aware of the Pafuri walking trail and to be honest, this might be a better plan than trying to rush through South Luangwa.

stokeygirl

Also, have you looked at the Proflight schedule? To fly LVI-MFW you need to change in Lusaka, so you leave about 12:30 but don't arrive until 17:00. So there is no way you could get to Crocodile that night.

momlettinggo

Still trying to squeeze in a bit too much? Spot on, stokeygirl.

So we are moving toward flying to either, LVI, VFA or CPT and meeting our daughter.
Spend 2-3 nights at Falls,
4-5 nights at Cape Town,
and allow 6-8 nights for a combination of 2 Safari experiences. Options that look workable for us from various advice so far:

Umlani in a 3 person family (like the no electricity, eco-feel, and no single supplement this way, and they seem able to work with our vegan diets)

Shindzela appears more our style and would have separate tents for the same cost as Umlani, and workable with our diet. Also, solar power and wifi and charging a convenience w/out impacting environment. We might actually afford to stay an extra day in either Pafuri or Shindzela if they are a good contrast combo of geography. And for 1 night we could all 3 stay in the sleep out hide for $100. Or at least my camera hugging husband would be interested, and it is only 200R/person.


Pafuri sounds like a very good substitute for the Luangwa ones that so appealed to us, and it looks like it would be in a different part of Kruger for contrast. It has space but you must start on certain days so the combo needs to be built around a fixed 3 days at Pafuri. As it is if it works out, we would spend our last 3 days there before flying to Malawi and it would be the plusher one.

We saw a special that paired Northern Tuli with a Kruger area camp and arranged the flight connections and from posts on this FORUM, I was enthralled with Mashatu. But, your caution about "not taking into account transit times" was what I needed to hear, I have lived waaaaaay too long in LA, and I am looking at the google maps like I do my local GPS, assuming that T4 through Zambia is like my local freeway. Hmmm.

When we keep our options in and around Kruger, the budget looks much healthier, AND we can afford the privacy that will probably be better since she has been living away a year and we've had an empty nest. And over 14 days plus our time in Malawi, more separate sleeping arrangements is going to be a wise investment, I think.

christabir

There are a couple of options with Pafuri. Pafuri just reopened in October, so it's brand new. There is a great special with Tuli Safari Lodge, pay 4 get 6 nights and Serolo might be nice for you, too. A few years ago we did Mashatu Tented, Pafuri and Arathusa, we are looking to do Tuli SL, Pafuri and nDzuti soon. Great combo. Getting from Pont Drift to Pafuri is less than 4 hours, the drive to southern Kruger is about 6 hours, not through the park. You can drive to Pont Drift - not quite sure why you want to fly - it only takes 6 hours and it's easy. Then you can drive to Pafuri and southern Kruger.

We loved Shindzela - very casual but a very small area for game drives. If you look at nDzuti, it's a good combo.

If $$ is your issue, spend time in Kruger. It is spectacular and the accommodations are better than expected. See www.SanParks.org for info and make reservations.

Vegan is common in S Africa. Everyone can deal with it - it shouldn't be a limiting factor. They just need to know a few days before you arrive so they can plan meals. I have weird dietary issues, and all the lodges we've visited have been wonderful.

Our last trip, with a combo of private reserves and national park accommodations for over two weeks cost us less than $5000 for EVERYTHING for two weeks. No need to spend a fortune to have a great experience in S Africa.

momlettinggo

Belated thanks for all your help. As often occurs when more than 2 travel, things keep getting changed, mostly related to travel parts outside of Kruger plans, but it affects dates. And rather than lose a deposit, I keep trying to rearrange. nDzuti is sold out, and it looks like it would be a good combo. As of now, there is still space at nThambo Tree Camp and Africa on Foot as of now. Would either of those be a good combo?

We are awaiting a reply on details about a Return Africa FULL MOON Special out of Pafuri Camp for a 7 night walking trail in the Makuleke Concession with specialist guide Johna Turner that looks quite affordable and remote, but maybe too much (although we've rafted the Grand Canyon and slept on rocks). Obviously, if we go for it, we cancel Shindzela and we have all our eggs in one basket, timewise and $$ wise. But it would save the long trek to combine two 3 night safaris and the logistics. Does anyone know anything about this guide or concession?

christabir

Seven nights walking in the Pafuri region is too much. It's not a game dense region (unfortunately due to poaching from the Zimbabwe side) and walking doesn't allow the distances/speed to see a lot of creatures. I would either do the Pafuri Lodge or the shorter walking trail. Three nights in that region is plenty. It's beautiful, but less game than further south.

Africa on Foot and nThambo are great options. They have a very good reputation for excellent guides. If you are doing a walking safari at Pafuri, I'd choose nThambo, if the tented lodge, I'd choose Africa on Foot (they do a bush walk every morning).

If you don't want the long drive (it's only 5-6 hours) between Klaserie and Pafuri, you could split it up with a night in Kruger. We are considering it, but we are driving between Pafuri and the very southern part of Sabi Sand which will add at least two hours. It really isn't necessary, but an option if you don't want to rush and want to enjoy game drives through the park. Don't drive through the park if you don't stay - it will take WAY too long. Drive out on the main roads.

I know - when we first start to plan we think it will be easier, less expensive, forget travel times. When it comes down to making plans, it is much more involved! No worries. We've all been through it. Hopefully it all works out. Remember - you can't make mistakes. Southern Africa is spectacular. You're going to love every bit.

momlettinggo

Thanks for the suggestion about an overnight in the park. But where do you suggest? Is it too late to get good reservations for 1 night for 3?

We are definitely leaning toward the 3 day walk at Pafuri vs. 7. We can do Pafuri M-Th & start 3-4 nights at Shindzela on Th or Friday, depending on whether we take the short route or the longer overnight.

Right now there is space for us to do 3 nights at nThambo either combined with Pafuri OR skip Pafuri and skip the car rental and fly in/out of Hoedspruit to Capetown and Nelspruit to Livingstone. This would be the easier way and give us the vacation we wanted from Southern CA driving. But we really wanted to see Crook’s Corner, Lanner Gorge, and the Limpopo fever tree forest once we read about it.

Not sure if I posted this earlier, but we are hikers--PCT, Yosemite, backbone trail. Of course we are excited about seeing game, but we enjoy wilderness without needing to be entertained with 6 days of sightings. In fact, that's why I wanted to do 2 separate camps--I guess some travelers stay 4-6 days and enjoy that they see lots of different game in the same area. We would rather see different areas when we hike, knowing that sighting wildlife is a huge bonus.

Knowing that about us and the choices here, what would you do?

christabir

I enjoy hiking and scenery as much as anyone else (Grand Canyon, the Utah parks, Yellowstone, Yosemite, Oregon/Washington, California coast, Colorado, all multiple times, plus many more) but you have never experienced the absolute thrill of seeing your first elephant, chetetah or rhino. You can hike and see pretty things anywhere - nowhere else will you see lions in the wild! I can't stress enough - see wildlife while you are there.

I don't like to stay in one area either. Our last two trips were Waterberg (north of JNB), Kruger, KwaZulu Natal. Three different ecosystems and all beautiful. I would do Pafuri and Klaserie - I'm actually currently looking at another Kruger-KZN trip or Kruger-Pafuri-Tuli Block trip. You can fly to an airstrip near Pafuri and down to Phalaborwa and get road transfers instead of driving (see the Seasons in Africa website and check out the Kings-The Outpost trip for non driving ideas. Don't tell them I suggested that!). The problem with flying everywhere is you don't get to see the country to fly over - I love driving through such different places than at home.

If Lanner Gorge, Crooks Corner and the fever trees are important, you'll miss them on the walking trails. I don't see how they can do them all walking. If you stay at the lodge, you might be able to request a Lanner Gorge hike - ask them before you go. They would have to arrange a special ranger for you. If not, definitely do Lanner Gorge on an AM drive - we got there as it was getting dark. Bummer. You are traveling when days are shortest (June 21 is the shortest day), so take that into consideration.

Just check the www.SanParks.org website for availability. Satara, Oliphants, Mopani and Letombo might be your best options in between. they all have restaurants so you don't need to bother making dinner. Check the other rest camps on the way for places to buy food and snacks. The bungalows are surprisingly nice - just get an ensuite bathroom. Driving in the park is such a hoot! I can't believe they let us drive around with lions, elephants and rhinos (my passion).

I've been to Vic Falls. It's fine. I'd rather go look for wild dogs and hippos. It's far and expensive,

Malawi, Cape Town, VF, Kruger.... Too much travel for me on top of the very long flight from the west coast (I wouldn't do it from NYC, either). I'd skip VF and do Pafuri 3 night walking or lodge and Africa on Foot or nThambo as suggested above. Shindzela is an ok option, but very small traversing. Since you've never been before, I'd do as much wildlife as possible with a few walking days so you feel you did it well.

When you go back, do the best walking trails in S Africa in Hluhluwe-iMfolozi. They get incredible reviews and the few people I know who've done them have been WOWED!! These are people who either live in S Africa or visit at least yearly. Next time. You'll go back. Promise.

Please tell your daughter I am very jealous. My husband and I have been planning for a very long time to join the Peace Corps. I even went back to grad school for some training. While I was finalizing my thesis, I got sick and now I am not eligible to join. We've decided to relocate to KZN instead and do some good there instead. I'm happy to hear so many young people do it. It changes their lives. Good for her, and kudos to you for supporting her decision.

I know, too much info! Sorry.

momlettinggo

There is a slim chance we can work out 3 nights in a family chalet at Africa on foot in combination with Shindzela, but the dates with Pafuri don't line up. And I'm glad I rechecked nDzuti because it could work with Pafuri now although it's the nDzuti first at least for now.

But if I understood your suggestion, christabir, you were suggesting Africa on foot if we didn't do the walking safari at Pafuri and nThambo if we did. So, if they were all still available, what would be your 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th choice of these combo/camps?

Or are any of them so close and similar in terrain it would be just as well to stay put for another 1-2 days?

Pafuri Tent Camp walking safari/nDzuti

Pafuri Tent Camp walking safari/Shindzela

Shindzela/nThambo (I think my daughter would love both the Hide & the Treehouse, and my husband would enjoy avoiding the long drive, even though we all got jazzed about Crook’s Corner, Lanner Gorge, and the Limpopo fever tree forest)

Shindzela/nDzuti (I think you had mentioned this as a good combo, but then I wasn't sure whether you were referring to nDzuti as a replacement for Shindzela.

nThambo/nDzuti

Africa on foot/Shindzela

I'm getting punchy trying to make the puzzle piece fit, while the rest of the family is busy trying to clear their decks for the vacation time. Sooo many choices, and it seems I still have time and choices if I keep at it and act soon.

christabir

Nope. I wouldn't combine two lodges in Klaserie and/or Timbavati. They are too close to get a varied ecosystem. Go with Pafuri with one of those lodges. And if you want to see all the beauty in Pafuri, you'll probably have to do the lodge, not the trails. Bush walks at all lodges should be requested well before arrival because they require rangers with higher training and need to make sure they are available.

The drive isn't so bad. It's not like at home where you see the same things over and over and over.... Or fly to Phalaborwa from JNB and rent a car there. Cuts half the drive and one way car rentals aren't silly expensive like here so you could drop the car off at HDS and fly to JNB after one of your Klaserie/Timbavati options at the end. Confused? JNB - fly Phalaborwa - Pafuri - Kruger - nDzuti - HDS - fly JNB. No long drives.

Did you check that website I suggested for flight options? It's The Outpost (near Pafuri) and Kings Camp (Timbavati) website. I think it's Seasons in Africa, but I get them all confused. There's a charter to a mine just west of Kruger and other options, with some prices included.

My options, in this order, would be:

Pafuri Tented/nDzuti - request as many bush walks as possible and Lanner Gorge hike. Best of all worlds.

Pafuri Tented/Africa on Foot - very close second.

Pafuri Trails/nThambo - I don't think you can see all the pretty stuff at Pafuri.

Pafuri Trails/Shindzela - I would find this just a little too rustic for too long.

If you drive through/stay in Kruger, do an am bush walk with them - they do a really great job. Very highly recommended.




Sorry, but I have to do this. Pafuri Tented has an unbelievable special with Tuli Safari Lodge. It's so good, I'm considering going even though I'll have to put it all on a credit card. They can even arrange flights for you - Tuli Safari Lodge has the ridiculous prices on their website. The only problem, and I think it's a MAJOR problem, is you are not likely to see rhino. I am doing, hopefully, TSL, Pafuri Tented and nDzuti (or something in Sabi Sand if my mom comes) all for three nights. TSL is in a spectacular game viewing reserve (shared with Mashatu), but I haven't been able to find any reviews. I'm looking/asking for feedback from everyone, but because both were destroyed in the 2013 floods, they rebuilt but few reviews. Grrrr. It's a really excellent deal and you can check for availability on both websites. Don't take my dates, please.

I'm very sorry to add this option to make things more difficult and I'm REALLY not ok with you not seeing rhino. Consider it carefully.