The Great Debate, What is Worth Precious Money and Time in NYC
Jun 25th, 2016, 03:36 PM
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The Great Debate, What is Worth Precious Money and Time in NYC
Hi Everyone,
I am going to NYC July 6 and we are taking our daughter age 14. I have been to NYC a few times, never in the summer. My daughter wants to climb up the Statue of Liberty, ... me... not so excited. The pedastel is still open, no crown. I would love to visit Ellis Island, however, I have been by Liberty a couple of times on a Ferry and it was sufficient to me. Give in to teen (who will not die of disappointment) or dive in?
Next, I am being subjected to a way too expensive play on Broadway... where to eat? Mid priced and memorable? Dress in the summer to the Saturday night shows?
Arriving Wed and friends from Spain, arrive as well. Nice, laid back dinner yet affordable? We are staying at the Fairfield inn and suites on Henry street, 95 Henry. Never stayed in this area of town. Know NOTHING of it. Any and all suggestions appreciated.
I am a foodie, and like fitness etc., so walking is not an issue for any of us.
Top of the Rock versus Empire State? I have done Empire,... lines from another bad dream.
We are doing a Free on Foot tour of the Brooklyn Bridge etc., any other ideas?
Last, daughter is in AWE of being a broadway actress, is very involved in such locally....
As always, I appreciate the guidance all you expert travelers provide.
I am going to NYC July 6 and we are taking our daughter age 14. I have been to NYC a few times, never in the summer. My daughter wants to climb up the Statue of Liberty, ... me... not so excited. The pedastel is still open, no crown. I would love to visit Ellis Island, however, I have been by Liberty a couple of times on a Ferry and it was sufficient to me. Give in to teen (who will not die of disappointment) or dive in?
Next, I am being subjected to a way too expensive play on Broadway... where to eat? Mid priced and memorable? Dress in the summer to the Saturday night shows?
Arriving Wed and friends from Spain, arrive as well. Nice, laid back dinner yet affordable? We are staying at the Fairfield inn and suites on Henry street, 95 Henry. Never stayed in this area of town. Know NOTHING of it. Any and all suggestions appreciated.
I am a foodie, and like fitness etc., so walking is not an issue for any of us.
Top of the Rock versus Empire State? I have done Empire,... lines from another bad dream.
We are doing a Free on Foot tour of the Brooklyn Bridge etc., any other ideas?
Last, daughter is in AWE of being a broadway actress, is very involved in such locally....
As always, I appreciate the guidance all you expert travelers provide.
Jun 25th, 2016, 04:33 PM
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I would definitely go to the SoL just to see Ellis Island, which is brilliant. But do get tickets NOW from statuecruises.com if you want a chance at getting to the Pedestal. Remember going first ferry is the best idea since then there isn't a long line in front of you on Liberty Island.
You might look into some of the backstage tours at Lincoln Center or the Radio City Music Hall - and see if there are any rehearsals you can get into.
For show tickets on discount go to broadwaybox.com to get discount codes and take to official tickets seller to get the best choice of tickets. If you want to try for a hit on B'way then get tickets NOW from the official seller or you will need to pay higher than face from a scalper. If you are thinking Hamilton - forget it - prices are through the roof and there are no tickets direct from the seller until Feb 2017. (There is a lottery but it's more than 10,000 people trying to get 21 tickets. Or there's the return line which mens sleeping outside on the street from the night before and next to no chance.
You might look into some of the backstage tours at Lincoln Center or the Radio City Music Hall - and see if there are any rehearsals you can get into.
For show tickets on discount go to broadwaybox.com to get discount codes and take to official tickets seller to get the best choice of tickets. If you want to try for a hit on B'way then get tickets NOW from the official seller or you will need to pay higher than face from a scalper. If you are thinking Hamilton - forget it - prices are through the roof and there are no tickets direct from the seller until Feb 2017. (There is a lottery but it's more than 10,000 people trying to get 21 tickets. Or there's the return line which mens sleeping outside on the street from the night before and next to no chance.
Jun 25th, 2016, 08:13 PM
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First, it is good to see that people are staying in other parts of town. Please report back on these places.
The worst thing about staying where you are is public transportation is limited. There is an F train near you, so to go things on the East Side you will need to transfer at Broadway Lafayette for the Lex tarins.
I for one do not like on-line food sites, 1/2 the people do not know of which they speak, especially when writing about ethnic food.
You will be in the middle of Chinatown. The food has gotten much better over the past few years as they brought in chefs from Flushing, Queens.
For dim sum try Jing Fong, Golden Unicorn, and Nom Wah on Doyers. AVOID WEEKENDS.
For a regular meal try the soup noodles at Joe's Ginger or Joe's Shanghai.
And the ice cream is terrific at Chinatown Ice Cream Factory.
On Grand Street are the best donuts in town at Donut Plant. Expensive. Same block genuine bialys at Kossar's. Across the street Pickle guys and two blocks up Essex Market.
And your daughter would probably love Economy Candy on Rivington Street.
We have had friends and relatives from Spain visit on numerous occasions. That said, I cannot offer any concrete advice as they were all wanted to do different things, so simply ask them.
Depending on where they live in Spain, there is usually few ethnic choices and that goes for Madrid and Barcelona as well. So it depends on how adventurous they are. Do not try and impress them with Spanish food, because it tastes nothing like Spain, except at Despana on Broome Street. And they limited hours, seating, and selection.
A few blocks away from your hotel is the famous Henry Street Settlement, where they have plays as well.
http://www.abronsartscenter.org/
There are also scores of off-Broadway and off-off-Broadway shows as well. http://www.timeout.com/newyork
I hope your daughter gets a chance to speak some actors and singers, so she understands how hard it is.
The worst thing about staying where you are is public transportation is limited. There is an F train near you, so to go things on the East Side you will need to transfer at Broadway Lafayette for the Lex tarins.
I for one do not like on-line food sites, 1/2 the people do not know of which they speak, especially when writing about ethnic food.
You will be in the middle of Chinatown. The food has gotten much better over the past few years as they brought in chefs from Flushing, Queens.
For dim sum try Jing Fong, Golden Unicorn, and Nom Wah on Doyers. AVOID WEEKENDS.
For a regular meal try the soup noodles at Joe's Ginger or Joe's Shanghai.
And the ice cream is terrific at Chinatown Ice Cream Factory.
On Grand Street are the best donuts in town at Donut Plant. Expensive. Same block genuine bialys at Kossar's. Across the street Pickle guys and two blocks up Essex Market.
And your daughter would probably love Economy Candy on Rivington Street.
We have had friends and relatives from Spain visit on numerous occasions. That said, I cannot offer any concrete advice as they were all wanted to do different things, so simply ask them.
Depending on where they live in Spain, there is usually few ethnic choices and that goes for Madrid and Barcelona as well. So it depends on how adventurous they are. Do not try and impress them with Spanish food, because it tastes nothing like Spain, except at Despana on Broome Street. And they limited hours, seating, and selection.
A few blocks away from your hotel is the famous Henry Street Settlement, where they have plays as well.
http://www.abronsartscenter.org/
There are also scores of off-Broadway and off-off-Broadway shows as well. http://www.timeout.com/newyork
I hope your daughter gets a chance to speak some actors and singers, so she understands how hard it is.
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Thank you all so much, funny thing, I like to never got back in "here". Forgot an old profile and it kept trying to put me there. Oh well. I am interested in the Tentament Museum for some reason... and now I am thinking I need to find a way to get us over to Ellis. Here is what I have so far.
I have tough skin so peel it apart
Wed, hotel, Spanish friends are ocd walkers. We have all been to NYC but not together. Daughter is the only newby. Thinking all will be tired. Have a place reserved to eat or a spot chosen in China town, (my new neighborhood) and then walk to Times Square. I know there is transportation, but knowing Juan, we will walk.
Thursday, daughter wants to see "stuff" China Town (which will envelope us like it did little Italy by the end of the trip), so much for my Norwiegen blood and physical traits. ha
Seriously considering a food tour of china town as there is just so much there.
Yes or no?
A tour of the Lower East Side with options to eat stuff? Yay or nay?
I have read of lychee cupcakes and to find good Italian not on Mulberry. I always liked the tiny spots and the bakery at the end of the street. However, things change...
Italian I know Carmines is a NYC staple, but in this group we have vegetarians, meatatarians, breadheads and so forth Carmines portions are huge and I think none would agree on what to order.
So a few affordable Italian places, lunch or dinner.
Steak... I am not the meat lover, but we have several in the group. Where and name of a few steak houses worth the splurge. So far I have found Delmonicos....
Spanish food, not my favorite ... heavy meat emphasis, is very different in Spain, you are right. I have traveled all the south and gone to Barcelona and all have area specialties, but the staples are the same. I was dreaming of Jamon last time I was there.
The only day for Liberty and Ellis would be Sunday. A bit afraid of the crowd.
Ok, stopping for now .. night yall.
I have tough skin so peel it apart
Wed, hotel, Spanish friends are ocd walkers. We have all been to NYC but not together. Daughter is the only newby. Thinking all will be tired. Have a place reserved to eat or a spot chosen in China town, (my new neighborhood) and then walk to Times Square. I know there is transportation, but knowing Juan, we will walk.
Thursday, daughter wants to see "stuff" China Town (which will envelope us like it did little Italy by the end of the trip), so much for my Norwiegen blood and physical traits. ha
Seriously considering a food tour of china town as there is just so much there.
Yes or no?
A tour of the Lower East Side with options to eat stuff? Yay or nay?
I have read of lychee cupcakes and to find good Italian not on Mulberry. I always liked the tiny spots and the bakery at the end of the street. However, things change...
Italian I know Carmines is a NYC staple, but in this group we have vegetarians, meatatarians, breadheads and so forth
Carmines portions are huge and I think none would agree on what to order. So a few affordable Italian places, lunch or dinner.
Steak... I am not the meat lover, but we have several in the group. Where and name of a few steak houses worth the splurge. So far I have found Delmonicos....
Spanish food, not my favorite ... heavy meat emphasis, is very different in Spain, you are right. I have traveled all the south and gone to Barcelona and all have area specialties, but the staples are the same. I was dreaming of Jamon last time I was there.
The only day for Liberty and Ellis would be Sunday. A bit afraid of the crowd.
Ok, stopping for now .. night yall.
Jun 26th, 2016, 08:06 PM
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Carmine's is for tourists and large groups of teenagers.
In Little Italy-Parm and Rubirosa.
In the East Village-Cacio y Pepe and Supper.
For steaks downtown try Strip House.
http://www.striphouse.com/venues/downtown/
Despana has important Iberico and Serrano jamones plus inexpensive hams. Spanish varies from region to region, the best food in Spain is in San Sebestian/Donostia and in Galicia it is mainly fish.
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Here is a list I have posted a few times before and are mainly East Village. Unless otherwise stated it is inexpensive to moderately expensive.
Patacon Pisao-Venezulean, unbelievable chacapas
http://pataconpisaonyc.com/
Au Za'atar which very reasonably priced French-Mideastern
Indian-Brick Lane, Saravanaa Bhavan (on Lex and about 26 St.)
Inexpensive Italian- La Marca (3rd Ave. and 22 Street, only opened noon-10 PM, Mon-Fri) Great Value
Taiwanese Bao-The Baohaus-The guy with the TV show and book
Burgers- Brindle Room, Black Iron (also have wonderful onion rings and veggie fries), Paul’s (local divy spot), Corner Bistro (on everyone’s list, zoo on weekends),
Hip American-Brindle Room
Hip Filipino both owned by the same people Jeepney and Maharlikan (more expensive)
Pork sandwiches-Porchetta (that is all they offer and limited seating)
Medium priced Italian-Cacio e Pepe, Gnocco, Supper (cash only), Luzzos (Wood burning pizza oven), Le Zie (7th Ave and about 19th),
Eastern European- Veselka,
BBQ-Mighty Quinn
French Bistro- Lucien (more expensive), the cheaper ones have disappeared
Greek-Pylos (little more expensive), Taverna Kyuclaides for fish
Tapas- Tia Pol, Nai, La Boqueria, Café Mono (more expensive)
Dessert-Veniero's
Ice Cream-Davey’s, Sundaes and Cones on E 10, Cones on Bleecker, il Laboratorio del Gelato
Dim Sum in Chinatown-Jing Fong, Golden Unicron, Nom Wah.
Brunches-Blue Ribbon Bakery, City Bakery (18th off 5th), Clinton Street Bakery (our favorite but must go during the week, weekend is a zoo)
Pizza whole pies-Motorino, Lombardi's, Gruppo,
Pizza by the slice-Artichoke (14th Between First and Second) Bizarre service with a line because the pizza is good and the management is goofy
Seafood-Mary’s Fish Camp (cramped, no reservations, moderate) Luke’s Lobster (just lobster rolls, limited seating) Aquagrill (very expensive)
Ice Cream-Cones on Bleecker, Il Laboratorio de Gelato, Chinatown Ice Cream Factory, Cones and Sundaes (East 10th), Grom (Italian chain), Van Leewen, Davey’s
Chinatown-Big Wong. Joe’s Ginger, NY Noodletown
Dim Sum-Jing Fung, Golden Unicorn, Nom Wah on Doyers.
Jewish Delis-2nd Ave Deli, Katz’s (These are expensive for sandwiches but worth every bite) Katz’s has become a zoo and somewhat unpleasant
Turkish-Turkish Kitchen (Very good values are the daily prix fixe lunch and Sunday buffet)
Expensive but great prix fixe lunches-Gotham, Tocqueville
In Little Italy-Parm and Rubirosa.
In the East Village-Cacio y Pepe and Supper.
For steaks downtown try Strip House.
http://www.striphouse.com/venues/downtown/
Despana has important Iberico and Serrano jamones plus inexpensive hams. Spanish varies from region to region, the best food in Spain is in San Sebestian/Donostia and in Galicia it is mainly fish.
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Here is a list I have posted a few times before and are mainly East Village. Unless otherwise stated it is inexpensive to moderately expensive.
Patacon Pisao-Venezulean, unbelievable chacapas
http://pataconpisaonyc.com/
Au Za'atar which very reasonably priced French-Mideastern
Indian-Brick Lane, Saravanaa Bhavan (on Lex and about 26 St.)
Inexpensive Italian- La Marca (3rd Ave. and 22 Street, only opened noon-10 PM, Mon-Fri) Great Value
Taiwanese Bao-The Baohaus-The guy with the TV show and book
Burgers- Brindle Room, Black Iron (also have wonderful onion rings and veggie fries), Paul’s (local divy spot), Corner Bistro (on everyone’s list, zoo on weekends),
Hip American-Brindle Room
Hip Filipino both owned by the same people Jeepney and Maharlikan (more expensive)
Pork sandwiches-Porchetta (that is all they offer and limited seating)
Medium priced Italian-Cacio e Pepe, Gnocco, Supper (cash only), Luzzos (Wood burning pizza oven), Le Zie (7th Ave and about 19th),
Eastern European- Veselka,
BBQ-Mighty Quinn
French Bistro- Lucien (more expensive), the cheaper ones have disappeared
Greek-Pylos (little more expensive), Taverna Kyuclaides for fish
Tapas- Tia Pol, Nai, La Boqueria, Café Mono (more expensive)
Dessert-Veniero's
Ice Cream-Davey’s, Sundaes and Cones on E 10, Cones on Bleecker, il Laboratorio del Gelato
Dim Sum in Chinatown-Jing Fong, Golden Unicron, Nom Wah.
Brunches-Blue Ribbon Bakery, City Bakery (18th off 5th), Clinton Street Bakery (our favorite but must go during the week, weekend is a zoo)
Pizza whole pies-Motorino, Lombardi's, Gruppo,
Pizza by the slice-Artichoke (14th Between First and Second) Bizarre service with a line because the pizza is good and the management is goofy
Seafood-Mary’s Fish Camp (cramped, no reservations, moderate) Luke’s Lobster (just lobster rolls, limited seating) Aquagrill (very expensive)
Ice Cream-Cones on Bleecker, Il Laboratorio de Gelato, Chinatown Ice Cream Factory, Cones and Sundaes (East 10th), Grom (Italian chain), Van Leewen, Davey’s
Chinatown-Big Wong. Joe’s Ginger, NY Noodletown
Dim Sum-Jing Fung, Golden Unicorn, Nom Wah on Doyers.
Jewish Delis-2nd Ave Deli, Katz’s (These are expensive for sandwiches but worth every bite) Katz’s has become a zoo and somewhat unpleasant
Turkish-Turkish Kitchen (Very good values are the daily prix fixe lunch and Sunday buffet)
Expensive but great prix fixe lunches-Gotham, Tocqueville
Jun 26th, 2016, 08:09 PM
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Don't ignore off broadway productions. If you want a real deli experience the 2 best places are Katz' and the 2nd Ave Deli. I much prefer the latter which is no longer on 2nd ave, but at 33rd st and3rd ave.
Jun 27th, 2016, 06:41 AM
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For dinner close to your hotel, I recommend MISSION CHINESE FOOD, a modern, creative take on Chinese by a James Beard finalist.
The restaurant was named one of 2015's best new ones in the NYTimes. It is casual, creative, and fun, and the food is excellent. It is probably not like any Chinese food you've ever had. AND, they take reservations. They have a few tables outside. Your teenager will probably love it, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/di...east-side.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/di...ts-in-nyc.html
Do your best not to eat in the Theatre District. I do the same.
The restaurant was named one of 2015's best new ones in the NYTimes. It is casual, creative, and fun, and the food is excellent. It is probably not like any Chinese food you've ever had. AND, they take reservations. They have a few tables outside. Your teenager will probably love it, too.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/10/di...east-side.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/di...ts-in-nyc.html
Do your best not to eat in the Theatre District. I do the same.
Jun 27th, 2016, 06:50 AM
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I don't know if this means anything to you, but in case it does, you might want to read about Anthony Bourdain's Favorite NYC restaurants; Mission chinese is one of them. It is very close to your hotel.
http://ny.eater.com/2016/4/6/1138042...ts-shake-shack
http://ny.eater.com/2016/4/6/1138042...ts-shake-shack
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Foods of NY offers a food tour of Chinatown; I have only done their (original) Greenwich Village tour and I have done that one twice. If their Chinatown tour is just as good, it will be well worth your time and $:
https://www.foodsofny.com/chinatown.php
Also, do consider a tour of the Lower East Side Tenement Museum. Your daughter is a great age to appreciate their offerings, perhaps especially the "Meet Victoria Confino" tour: "Drop in on 14-year-old Victoria Confino, who lived in the tenement in 1916, to hear about the immigrant experience in a more intimate setting. Tour her apartment, ask her questions about her life, and get a unique perspective on adjusting to life on the Lower East Side."
www.tenement.org
Enjoy! I love New York City!
https://www.foodsofny.com/chinatown.php
Also, do consider a tour of the Lower East Side Tenement Museum. Your daughter is a great age to appreciate their offerings, perhaps especially the "Meet Victoria Confino" tour: "Drop in on 14-year-old Victoria Confino, who lived in the tenement in 1916, to hear about the immigrant experience in a more intimate setting. Tour her apartment, ask her questions about her life, and get a unique perspective on adjusting to life on the Lower East Side."
www.tenement.org
Enjoy! I love New York City!
Jun 29th, 2016, 06:00 PM
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Maybe it was because we know the Tenement History, it wasn't very interesting. Our grandkids who loved learning immigrant history on Ellis Is were bored. No a/c either which I understand but it was brutal the day we went.
Jun 29th, 2016, 06:51 PM
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"Last, daughter is in AWE of being a broadway actress, is very involved in such locally.... "
Hi mia,
I took my 13-year-old niece to NY last year. She is also very interested in musical theatre and has just finished her first year at a performing arts high school. It was her first trip to NY and she adored it!
I gave her her choice of plays (discounted ones on Playbill) and she chose Cinderella. It's the original Rogers and Hammerstein version and it was terrific. She's since also seen Matilda with her school and liked that as well.
One thing you should miss with your daughter is Ellen's Stardust Diner. It's definitely in the theatre district and it's SO MUCH FUN! The food is diner-ish but not bad and I think your daughter will love it.
I'll find my NY trip report for you. It's more thoroughly described in there.
Hi mia,
I took my 13-year-old niece to NY last year. She is also very interested in musical theatre and has just finished her first year at a performing arts high school. It was her first trip to NY and she adored it!
I gave her her choice of plays (discounted ones on Playbill) and she chose Cinderella. It's the original Rogers and Hammerstein version and it was terrific. She's since also seen Matilda with her school and liked that as well.
One thing you should miss with your daughter is Ellen's Stardust Diner. It's definitely in the theatre district and it's SO MUCH FUN! The food is diner-ish but not bad and I think your daughter will love it.
I'll find my NY trip report for you. It's more thoroughly described in there.
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Yikes, I meant 'one thing you shouldn't miss...'
And here's the trip report:
http://www.fodors.com/community/unit...end-in-nyc.cfm
And here's the trip report:
http://www.fodors.com/community/unit...end-in-nyc.cfm
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Wow, thank you all! I am very interested in so many of the options presented. I will be xing off Carmines, thanks for the tip. Will be going to the Diner near the theatres... it will make my daughter happy I feel for sure.
Ok, hopefully the last two
If we don't have to actually stand on Statue of Liberty soil, but are interested in Ellis Island, any suggestions? Maybe a different tour? I really want to soak in the history of this place.
Steak, that is something our Spanish friends love about the U.S. Excellent Beef, ... I have not found a reasonable priced one yet. Well, maybe I have not had true great steak, but try to keep it under 30.00.
Thanks again
Ok, hopefully the last two
If we don't have to actually stand on Statue of Liberty soil, but are interested in Ellis Island, any suggestions? Maybe a different tour? I really want to soak in the history of this place.
Steak, that is something our Spanish friends love about the U.S. Excellent Beef, ... I have not found a reasonable priced one yet. Well, maybe I have not had true great steak, but try to keep it under 30.00.
Thanks again
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Well, maybe I have not had true great steak, but try to keep it under 30.00.
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Good luck with that.
We like the Strip House but that is above price, but I do not know a quality steak house for that price.
Maybe you can take them for real American hamburguesa.
The beef in Spain is still awful. The bread has gotten better and the dessert selection is still limited.
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Good luck with that.
We like the Strip House but that is above price, but I do not know a quality steak house for that price.
Maybe you can take them for real American hamburguesa.
The beef in Spain is still awful. The bread has gotten better and the dessert selection is still limited.
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"IMDonehere on Jun 27, 16 at 12:06am
"Carmine's is for tourists and large groups of teenagers."
I'm surprised to see you recommend Carmine's. You do realize that the poster, and the rest of her group are tourists, right, so you suggested Carmine's is for them? Or was your point that since they are tourists, they obviously have no taste?
"Carmine's is for tourists and large groups of teenagers."
I'm surprised to see you recommend Carmine's. You do realize that the poster, and the rest of her group are tourists, right, so you suggested Carmine's is for them? Or was your point that since they are tourists, they obviously have no taste?
