Wow, great show! That hotel has been there forever - you always see it when you're at the Cove, but quite frankly it always looked kinda oldish from the street. Great location though.

It's actually on at 10pm in San Diego.


There's a lot more to the owner than just this one hotel. The family are known in San Diego for buying properties that are adjacent to their various businesses and letting them fall into disrepair. This family owns two listed bungalows next to this hotel which they seem to hope they'll be allowed to redevelop when the buildings eventually fall down.

I haven't been in the hotel - but unless the reports were terrible - I would recommend it as a 2+ star or so place - with the one of the best views in the world.

As for those bungalows - I hope they fall down sooner than later. Some people think they have historic value - but the termites are about the only think holding up those eyesores.

Here is the web page for anyone who is interested. And they are suites - some studio types with kitchenettes and larger.

https://gc.synxis.com/rez.aspx?Hotel=13905&Chain=6242&shell=LJC2012#

Tom, they do have historic value, but as they are listed, the owners can't redevlop as they want. They knew this when they bought them, but seemed to think they could do whatever they wanted. The bungalows could have been renovated years ago and would have brought in stacks of rental money. Blame the owners for the way they look now.

So Susan: How many old buildings have you renovated? Trying to really fix up these ancient claptraps would be like throwing money down a rat hole, and my Q:

How much rental income do you think these widdle bungalows will bring? Not much IMO, as while I have not been inside them - they are small - and probably do not have more than one bedroom.

Tried to find some pics of these dilapated bungalows - and this is an interesting historical review of La Jolla (a "village" which I love) - even if not sure it has a pic of the subject bungalows.

http://www.sandiegohistory.org/journal/v54-4/pdf/v54-4Hollins.pdf

tom, who's Susan?

Those dilapidated bungalows were not close to this bad when the current owners bought them. They have been allowed to deteriorate in an effort to force the hand of the planning commission. As vacation rentals, right at La Jolla Cove, and next to a hotel they also own,they would be outstanding.

I think Barbara is right on.


"The Red Roost and Red Rest cottages, built in 1894, are rare surviving examples of late nineteenth-century beach cottages that once proliferated in La Jolla and are the oldest structures there. The Red Rest and Red Roost cottages tell the story of the history and origin of La Jolla, like nothing else. The design for these bungalows is also regarded as a precursor to the California bungalow popularized after the turn of the twentieth century."

"Shortly after the cottages were designated as historic landmarks in January 1975, the Heimburge family, owners of the cottages and the adjoining La Jolla Cove Suites, sought to demolish the Red Roost and Red Rest. Failing that, the owners have instead played a waiting game, allowing the ravages of time and weather to take their toll on the cottages. The owners stopped using the cottages as rentals and ceased maintaining them, allowing vines to grow over the cottages and debris to accumulate on the roofs, leading to their dilapidated present condition. With holes in their roofs, the cottages have reached a critical stage. Most agree, however, that the cottages are not beyond repair."

I would imagine the Heimburge family bought the historic homes and wanted to tear them down to build what?

Another poorly managed hotel right next the one they currently own and poorly manage?

Geesh: My note was for Barbara - and now nanabee is a wanabee cottage preserver?

How these clapboards were designated as National Monuments should really be examined - as I wouldn't doubt some shennigans went on.

And just about anything that would have been built in place of these "cottages" would have been an improvement.

And Barbara: As far as I can tell - you still have not answered my Q: How much income would they bring in as rentals?

Income for these two properties as rentals?. On a prime location across the street from the world famous La Jolla Cove? Seriously, probably $2,000 A WEEK for one rental house alone. If someone remodeled them. The added advantage is that they are historically significant. In San Diego, sadly anything that has historical value is worthy of being torn down and replaced.

That's $16,000 a month. Without a doubt in my mind. We live down in Baja La Jolla or Birdrock (not the ritzy part) and little beach cottages rent easily for $2000/week. Easily!!

>>How these clapboards were designated as National Monuments should really be examined - as I wouldn't doubt some shennigans went on.>>

tom did you read the quote I posted?
this is how they received historic preservation status in case you are interested.

"The Red Roost and Red Rest cottages, built in 1894, are rare surviving examples of late nineteenth-century beach cottages that once proliferated in La Jolla and are the oldest structures there. The Red Rest and Red Roost cottages tell the story of the history and origin of La Jolla, like nothing else. The design for these bungalows is also regarded as a precursor to the California bungalow popularized after the turn of the twentieth century."

Tom, your "note" was for Susan-whoever that may be.

Geesh - you two are a pair to draw to!!!

Historical designation is many times a political gambit, pure and simple. And who cares about some California bungalow design, really.

And if you know rental property at all - you do not rent it weekly 100% of the time, except maybe during high season, dead red summer, and normally - are lucky to average more than 2 out of 4 weeks a month for the year. Plus you usually have a hefty property management fee/housekeeping expense, higher than normal maintenance on older buildings, etc.

Oh - did I manage to rehab those rattraps - it would have the cost a ton.

FYI - I have owned/been in a partnership/managed a whole bunch of income properties - and people seldom realize the net/bottom line is well below the perceived market rate.

Oops. Should read: Oh - did I mention.................

BTW - back on topic - can you please tell me more about the Travel Channel program last night on the La Jolla Cove Suites? Watched the basketball playoffs and then crashed.

Tom, they own the hotel next door, renting the bungalows a exorbitant nightly rates would be a breeze.

I think they'd go for way more than $2K a week. We pay more than that for a condo in Solana Beach in the off season, and it doesn't have nearly the view or amenities nearby.

Those cottages are darn cute and add to the ambiance of the area in a way that another hotel/condo/restaurant couldn't. It's a shame not everyone realizes what a treasure historic buildings are and they only get more valuable with time as they become more rare. Cities are realizing that historic buildings increase tourism to an area, too bad the owners of the these bungalows don't realize it. If they don't want them, then they should just sell them to the City or someone who does.