Hi, Looking at your time frame I think you will probably have time to do about 1/3rd of what you have planned. California is one large long state any you are driving quite a bit of it. The Distance to LA from San Diego is probably correct if you dont hit too much traffic...and the traffic in the LA area can be a big problem during the rush hours morning and evening. If you only have a few hours in LA I might suggest Hollywood Blvd for the flavor and then out to Santa Monica and take the HWY 1 north out of the Urban area. You can reconnect with the 101 freeway in Ventura county and get a great view of the Pacific Coast. fighting traffic you might be able to get to Santa Barbara about 7pm. Driving North you should certainly take the Hwy 1 again and enjoy the drive the view along the coast is amazing...especially Big Sur. If I were you I would skip Hearst Castle which is just a worn out copy of European Castles and just enjoy the drive north. If you want to see something truly lovely stop at Pt Lobos State park just before you get to Carmel. The Aquarium in Monterey is very good perhaps still one of the best in the world. I am not certain it is open much later than 5pm and it is worth looking at for at least two hours. Carmel is charming and you can stop by and meet me as i work there most days. It will take you 2.5 hours to drive to San Francisco assuming you dont hit traffic...probably ok if you are leaving Carmel around 9am. I hope you have some time in San Francisco as there are many things to do and see there. I like it much better than LA....and it is easier to do because everything is closer. Hope this helps have a great trip!

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Hi Lisa,

Thanks for your tips! They will be very helpfull, certainly! I agree with you when you say I can do just 1/3rd of all these things we are planning on 2 1/2 days.

Do you think Santa Barbara and Carmel are the best breakpoints?

We have some relatives waiting for us at SFO. We will stay there until Nov 12th. During these 8 days there, we are planning to pass 2 days with them in Yosemite and 6 days in SFO.

Do you think it's a good idea to spend 1/2 day in Monterey and visit the Aquarium and take away 1 day for SFO? I imagine there is lot of things to do in SFO and maybe 5 days wouldn't be sufficient.

Thanks again!

Hi qwovadis,

Thanks for the tips.
We will consider Big Sur on our plans.

This is my Northern Calif bias (I was raised in Southern Calif but have lived up north for the past 36 years), but for such a short trip I would try to spend as little time in LA as possible - unless you love freeways & lots of congestion. Scenic & interesting spots exist (La Jolla, Laguna Beach, etc) but in only a couple of hours - you'll have to go out of your way to find them and the "reward/time spent" will be small. IMO, you'll get much better "value" on the Big Sur coast between Hearst Castle and Carmel. If you are from Brazil, then you probably have not visited a lot of European castles (we've visited over 200 of them) so if you skip LA entirely, I think Hearst Castle would be fantastic. I would even stay in San Simeon your first night. IMO the coast north of San Simeon to Carmmel is much prettier than the coast south of San Simeon. Then stay at Big Sur Lodge in Big Sur. we'll be there this week. Have dinner at Nepenthe. Next day, explore Pt Lobos in the am and then on to Carmel. I'm not a big fan of Monterey (except for the aquarium), so I would either stay overnight in Pacific Grove or Carmel. Explore both Carmel & PG. Next day, leave for San Francisco (by SFO do you mean the airport or The City?). It is 1 3/4 hrs to SFO and 2 1/4 hrs to Union Square in The City if don't hit much traffic.

Stu Dudley

I think Stu's come up with a great plan, and I personally think Hearst Castle is great -- neither worn out, nor a copy of anything -- and while I haven't been to 200 of them, I've been to enough castles in Europe to know that I like both them AND Hearst Castle.

There are many problems w/ your original plan. Leaving San Diego at 0730 will put you in very VERY bad traffic all the way to LA, and then you will again be in bad traffic leaving LA in the afternoon.

And your day 2 is nearly impossible. You can't just 'visit' Hearst Castle. You must go on a tour- you park at the visitor center and then have to take a bus up the hill and back. Starting in SB in the AM, touring San Simeon, driving through Big Sur -- you will not get to Monterey in time to see the aquarium.

I would skip LA since you will have no time to see anything. Instead, I'd consider leaving San Diego after dinner the night before and drive at least as far as LA -or all the way to Santa Barbara if possible.

In the evening SD to SB will take 3.5 to 4 hours, but w/ morning and afternoon traffic the next day the driving could take almost twice as long.

So I'd skip LA, and get up the coast on night '0'. Then day 1 you'll start up from Santa Barbara.

This will give you enough time for San Simeon, Big Sur, Carmel, and Monterey in your 2+ days.

(Just a hint in future . . . "SFO" is just used for the name of airport, not the city of San Francisco. You can just say "SF" if you mean the city -- but "SFO" sounds like you are staying at/near the airport)

I agree with the plan to leave San Diego the evening before you'd planned. Otherwise, you will likely spend hours and hours in bumper to bumper freeway traffic.

There are some great things to see in L.A. -- but they're not located in one central area. If you said you've always dreamed of seeing (for instance) the stars' footprints on Hollywood Boulevard; or Venice Beach; or some other specific sight, then I could see stopping in L.A. But it's not the kind of place you can experience in a few hours. I'm afraid that what you'd experience would mostly be more freeway traffic.

So ... I'd skip L.A. and have the time to enjoy your trip up the coast -- with lots of stops for photos and short strolls along the way. I loved Hearst Castle -- also loved a short stop in Harmony; Cambria; Moonstone Beach; Nepenthe ...

When you get to SF, I hope you'll get to go to Muir Woods AND continue on to Muir Beach. So many people miss the beach -- and it's one of my "magic" spots.

I live in LA, and I agree with everyone who is saying "skip it." About the best that you could do is follow JanisJ's advice. Leave San Diego after dinner and find a hotel here in LA that is close to the freeway. There are many hotels in the area around LAX that have easy freeway access, however you will just get stuck in traffic going north the next morning.

You could stay in Santa Monica and then pick up Highway 1, which would be a pretty drive up as far as Oxnard, where you could meet up with Highway 101, which will take you to Santa Barbara.

Or you could find a hotel in the San Fernando Valley along Highway 101 that will get you out of LA easily in the a.m.

But don't try to spend 5 hours here. It just is not worth the hassle and the traffic when there are so many wonderful things to be seen between here and San Francisco.

If you leave San Diego around 10 am you will miss much of the morning rush traffic and you have the chance to get to San Luis Obispo or Cambria in about 5-6 hrs both are great places to break your trip. Then you can take your time driving up the coast on hwy 1 the next day. I might be wrong about Hearst Castle, I just prefer the natural beauty of the coastline...and it is beautiful. Leaving San Diego at night might get you out of traffic but it is still a long drive to the Central Coast.
I dont want to scare you about the length of the drive it can just be difficult to negotiate the freeways of LA in traffic...but you do have to get through it.
The "must sees" are the drive north on HWY 1 past S.Luis Obispo(Big Sur), The sights on the Monterey Bay and the further drive north along the coast to San Francisco. Have Fun...enjoy the route. and welcome to California ;o))

"If you leave San Diego around 10 am you will miss much of the morning rush traffic and you have the chance to get to San Luis Obispo or Cambria in about 5-6 hrs"

Not during the day time - or at least VERY unlikely. 5 hrs to SLO or 6 hrs to Cambria would only happen w/o any traffic at all.

***I'm brazillian and my wife and I want to travel from San Diego to San Francisco on early November.***

And you deserve to see what you want to see on this trip! Your day 2 is really crammed but people do this ALL the time.

You'll be fine if you left San Diego around 7:30. You'll be going against most of the traffic if you're coming from downtown. By the time you reach South OC at 8:30 the traffic will be dying down- if it isn't you can take the 73 toll road.
You have to go by LA anyway so you'll be in traffic regardless if you stop or not. I would definitely get out of town by 3 though.

There's another travel forum called Trip Advisor if you're not familiar with it. Their forum LOVES solving problems and helping people make the BEST of their trips without a bias.
Here you'll find most NoCal residents who have that inferior childish rivalry towards SoCal so they need to cut it down! I'd seriously suggest getting advice from other resources for the FULL CA. experience.



BTW, six days in San Francisco would be over kill for me! I'd definitely take at LEAST one day from there and apply it towards the drive up the coast.

"Here you'll find most NoCal residents who have that inferior childish rivalry towards SoCal so they need to cut it down! I'd seriously suggest getting advice from other resources for the FULL CA. experience. "

Wrong side of the bed SOCALOC?? That is one load of C^%P

Unfortunately janisj it isn't. Over and over posters say they would like to see SoCA and they're misdirected from doing so.
I've noticed a lot of so Cal posters left. I wonder why......

I fully expect to be assaulted for voicing my opinion from the superior.

Enjoy!

Hi guys!! Thanks so much for all tips!! We´ll try to get the best of each.

Actually our trip begins in Orlando on OCT 12!! We´ll spend 6 days there, then we´ll fly to Saint Louis to visit a couple of friends (we´ll spend 5 days there). Then we fly to Denver to visit another relative (2 1/2 days there). We know it's too short for Colorado, but that's the time we have, unfortunately. After Denver, we´ll fly to Flagstaff. We´ll pass 1 1/2 day there, in Grand Canyon, and get a car to Las Vegas. We´ll just spend the night in Las Vegas and travel to San Diego, by car, to visit another couple of friends.
The point is that we won't have much time in any route. It´ll be too cramed...but we wish to do the best in each route.
Thanks so much. I can imagine how beautiful is Big Sur or Carmel, but these coast landscapes we already have in our brazillian coast. That's why we leave 2 1/2 days to make this trip.

Thanks agains

Our coastline is very different from Brazil's. More rugged and high cliffs dropping into the ocean. But if you are not that interested in the coastal drive, perhaps you should spend more time in LA and skip the Big Sur Drive. With 5/6 days in SF, you could do a day trip down to Monterey Bay.

There is a reason our part of the state is called Superior California

Sounds like you'll be travelling the 405 freeway from San Diego to LA. If you have any interest in architecture/art, my favorite place to take out-of-town visitors to SoCal, the Getty Museum, is located in LA just off the 405.

hi MichelleY,

I agree the coasts are different, and yours is very very beautiful and we want to travel along it!
But I think 5 1/2 days in SF and 2 1/2 days on the coast will be better for us.
Many of you have suggested to skip SF. And if I just spend 1 or 2 hours there? Just to take a look at the famous Hollywood Hill and go to Santa Barbara.

Do you think 5 1/2 days in SF is good? We´ll have some relatives to guide us there. After SF, we still have 2 full days in Yosemite.

Thanks a again. You Americans are being very helpful tour guides! if any of you intend to come to Brazil someday, I hope you have so good guides as I am having! congratulations...

>>Many of you have suggested to skip SF. And if I just spend 1 or 2 hours there? Just to take a look at the famous Hollywood Hill and go to Santa Barbara.<<

I think you mean skip LA - not SF.

You will spend 4-5 hours in the OC/LA/Ventura county areas - driving from San Diego to Santa Barbara. Once you get past Camp Pendelton - the scenery will pretty much all look the same from the freeway until you get to close to Santa Barbara (I hated this drive when I lived in LA & OC for 28 years). "Taking in" other stuff in LA will eat into your 4-5 hours.

IMO, once you get to the Sierra Nevada mountains & Yosemite (or enen the Pacific Coast range behind Big Sur) - you are going to regret spending any time getting off the freeways in LA & loosing time - just to see the Hollywood Hills.

5 1/2 days in SF is not enough time - even with a guide. But that's all the time you have.

Here is my list of things to do & see in the SF region:
http://www.fodors.com/community/united-states/san-francisco---stu-dudleys-recommendations.cfm

Take several of the SF City Guides tours mentioned in this thread.

Stu Dudley

I completely agree with socaloc.

There is a LOT to see in LA and while that isn't the focus of this poster the same old idea of "everything looks tha same and you can see all you need to while driving as fast as you can north" is rather tired.

bon_voyage, I agree that either the Getty or the Getty Villa would be convenient and interesting stops to make. Note to guilherme_maranhao, the Getty Villa requires a reservation, the Getty Museum does not.

Hearst Castle is worth seeing as an impressive and fequently vulgar, example of conspicuous consumption. It is not in any way comparable to a centuries-old European castle with all the attached history.

Whatever you do, spend as much time in Yosemite as possible. If the 2 days you mention includes travel time, then you need to add another day.

Hi Barbara,

Thanks for the tips and yes, the 2 Yosemite days include travel time! But it´s impossible for us to get more time to it!

As I've seen on these posts, we´ll need, at least, 30 days in California...lol!

Maybe in another moment!

By now we are very excited with the time we´ll have there and hope to enjoy the most of it!

thanks agains

Barbara's description of Hearst Castle is perfect. I will add that it's a good look into a particular time in American history.

As for the LA/SF debate, there is plenty to see and do in LA, but that is tempered by the fact that you have only 5 hours, it's spread out to the extreme, and there is loads of traffic. We recently drove in the opposite direction (downtown LA to San Diego) and it took us 3 hrs 45 minutes to go under 120 miles. For the return, we left San Diego after dinner, and made the trip all the way back to Valencia (north of downtown) in just under 2 hours.

So, if there is something in particular you want to do or see (for example, you could stick to the west side -- UCLA campus, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Malibu) or you could go to Hollywood proper, but not really both.

As for San Francisco (where I go to work every day), I'm sure you could fill 5-1/2 days, but you could surely see the highlights in less and add time elsewhere if you were so inclined.

I agree the norcal socal thing is rather tired (Go Giants!). If I had 5.5 hours in LA area to kill here is a partial list of what I might do...

Venice Beach - Just sit around and watch the freaks. Free.
Getty Museum - I would rather spend an entire day (or two) here but this place is WAY COOL and a must do at least once. And it's FREE!!!
Hollywood BLVD - Look at the stars. I've done it. Everyone does it. Fun to do once. Not so fun the second time. Free!
Griffith Park and observatory. - Lots of tourist buses stop up here so it must be something people from out of town do. Certainly a great view. Free.

Do you have a favorite movie or actor? I'm a huge Big Lebowski fan and I like hunting down all the filming locations for this movie. You can find lists for your favorite movie here... http://www.movie-locations.com/

With so little time I would sit at the beach and have some lunch and watch the freaks.

Also, being a studio audience member is so fun. I've been in the audience for Price is Right and Jeopardy. Worth doing. Some shows you need to plan ahead for. Sometime if you stand outside the Mann Chinese theater people will come around and hand you tickets for pilots and focus groups. In fact catching a movie at the Mann is cool too.

I think you would enjoy your trip a lot lot more if you would spend more time actually doing the things along the way instead of most of you time driving and not really experiencing anything. I think you need to cut out something and add some days to others.

I think you should give us an ITEN. of your entire trip and include your days in SD, SF, and Yosemite. Personally, I would cut SF down to probably 3 days(and it is my favorite city in CA).

Thanks guys,

Chris_Brown: Maybe we´ll have time just for Hollywood BLVD.
spirobulldog: we have many relatives to visit there and lot to see in the city! 3 days is impossible!

guilherme: My cousin used to live in Sao Paulo and now lives in Rio, so Brazil is on our wish list to visit!!

no one said, and I dare say no one thinks, there is nothing to see in LA. That is ridiculous. But guilherme_maranhao is simply not allowing ANY time to see it. W/ less than 5 hours they will spend most of their time just trying to figure out where they are.

2 days? Yep, definitely enjoy a tiny bit of Los Angeles. But less than 1/2 a day? What is the point?

Well most of the trip is just a tad bit better, other than SF. All the rest seems unreasonable to me. 2 days in Yosemite that includes driving means really you have two -1/2 days. Basically, you will see the valley and that's it.

Hi janisj,

You mean there is nothing to see in LA within this very short time or within any time I have at all? The point is we think it´s an unique oportunity to see the LA we watch on the movies and on TV, even in this very short time. But is there a possibility to skip LA on this route? Like going around it? Or do we have to cross it anyway? Is there a way to go around, not hit traffic and get on the other side of LA in a shorter time than if we face the traffic? If not, I think we´ll cross it and enjoy we´ll have during the way.

Yes-- you will have to drive across part of LA to get north. Your problem is "crossing LA" will show you nothing. That is why I suggested a way to maximize your time on the coast is to drive through the west side of Los Angeles the evening before when there is less traffic.

Or another option-- if you REALLY want to spend time in LA - you could leave SD in the evening and stay that night maybe in Santa Monica or somewhere towards the west side. Then the next day check out a couple of sites and start your drive north about 1PM, 2PM at the latest.

sorry janisj, I've read your post again and got what you've mean about the time to spend in LA: 2 days would be the minimun to enjoy LA.

thanks

And if we leave SD about 5:30 a.m.?

If you leave SD at 5:30am you will hit the worst of the rush hour in LA. Better to leave a bit later, 7:30 or 8,and by the time you get to LA the absolute worst is over.

Is LA traffic worse than São Paulo's? Is it possible???

>>And if we leave SD about 5:30 a.m.?<<

You'll hit LA at peak traffic time. But with 2 of you in the car, you'll be able to travel in the commute lane - where one exists.

You will be in Calif at around Nov 1. It could be rainy & cool and or sunny & mild. Not much beach scene, however. I lived in Laguna Beach for 5 years when we were in our mid/late 20s (plus San Gabriel for 23 years), and Nov was definitely not LA/Baywatch "beach time". The beaches were often vacant - even with mild weather. Don't know about Venice Beach, however. The LA depicted on TV is, of course, not "real". If seeing the "walk of stars" in front of Mann's (it was Grauman's(?) when we lived there) excites you - then do that. If you want to see where people selling maps of the star's "supposed" homes are located (don't know if they still do that) then head off there.

I think what many people are trying to convey to you is that a huge percent of your time in the LA area will be spent on unsightly freeways in heavy traffic, or trying to navigate on unfamiliar & still mostly unsightly non-freeway roads. The Getty was built well after we moved up north - and that seems like it might be an easy on/off the freeway - but make sure that the Getty fits your interests. If you "must" see LA - I vote for following janisj's advise - but I thought the Venice/Manhatten/Santa Monica Beach area was not that interesting when I returned to that area for a High School reunion about 8 years ago. The beaches at Carmel/Spanish Bay/Morro Bay/Pfeiffer/Julia Pfeiffer Burns State Park/Laguna are all a lot more interesting for me - but others may disagree.

Stu Dudley

Disclaimer. I have not driven in Sao Paolo. But I do know how to get on the internet. Sao Paolo traffic is apparently far worse than LA. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_congestion

Thanks Stu Dudley. My main interests in LA are Hollywood and Beverly Hills area. Is it difficult to get in the morning?

"If you want to see where people selling maps of the star's "supposed" homes are located (don't know if they still do that) then head off there." LOL

Consider this - leave San Diego in the evening - around 7:30 or 8 p.m. Spend the night in Hollywood. In the morning, drive down Hollywood Blvd. (where there's really nothing to see except Mann's Chinese Theater, the Capitol Records Building and the theater where Cleopatra premiered). Or take a walk on funky hip Melrose Avenue (also in Hollywood). Drive out Santa Monica Blvd. to Beverly Hills and do a little driving tour of Rodeo Drive (Beverly Hills very upscale shopping area) and BelAir (Beverly Hills very upscale residential area). Head out Sunset Blvd. toward the coast, and then up the coast toward Malibu.

Consider skipping over LA. There is a lot to see there, but it takes so long to travel from one point to another, you may find your visit there to be more frustrating than enjoyable. I would consider both San Diego and LA to be destinations and not really cities you can see in a few hours.
I would drive straight to Santa Barbara and enjoy the afternoon and evening there and then drive straight to Monterey and Carmel the next morning enjoying the scenery along the way including Big Sur.
Hearst Castle is worth seeing, but I'd save it for another trip when you have more time. There is a beach near San Simeon however where you can stop and observe giant elephant seals on the beach up close.
You'll find it well worth your time to spend a little extra time in Monterey and Carmel. Do visit the aquarium. Bom Viagem!

One more thing: Don't forget that about 12 hours (or longer with traffic) of that trip will be spent just driving if you take the Pacific Coast Highway.

Guys,

As most of you have suggested, LA will be on another moment. It´s impossible to leave SD in the evening: we have friends waiting for us there and certainly we´ll enjoy the last evening there. I couldn´t leave there in the evening.

thanks for all tips! Brazil is waiting for you....my city isn´t in the famous touristic route, but it´s too beautiful. It´s in the middle of the country, Goiânia (http://g.co/maps/srs2b): http://www.mundi.com.br/Fotos-Goiania-2710783.html and http://turismo.culturamix.com/nacionais/centro-oeste/fotos-de-goiania

For Andre1324, Muito Obrigado!

Hi guys,

We came back to Brazil last tuesday and brought several excelent experiences in US.
We made SD - SF in 2 days, but as we've already decided, we skipped LA.
We left SD about 9:30 am and got Santa Monica about 1:00 pm. During this route, we stopped in some spots to take pictures, buy suvenirs and this kind of touristic stuffs. And the best thing was that we did NOT hit too much traffic in LA.
We took same photos in SM, had lunch, put our feet in the "frozen" pacific water and came back to the road until Santa Barbara.
After some stops for photos, we got Santa Barbara at 5:30 pm and stayed there. Very beautiful city, was a very beautiful sunny afternoon. But how expensive is this city!! We´ve already known that, but I was too tired to go to San Luis O Bispo.
On the second day, we left SB about 9 am and got Oakland about 8 pm. We did not make the Hearst tour, just entered at the visitor center, had a snack, looked the castle on the binoculars and came back to the road. We´ve stopped at the Sea Lions point, the 1 famous bridge and in lot of other places to take photos. This second day wasn´t so beautiful. It rained in same parts and was cloudy. But the view is still spetacular. Later afternoon we stopped at Carmel (which was veeeery cold that day), had a snack there (it was about 4:30 pm) and went straight to Oakland, where we would meet our relatives.
After that, we´ve passed 8 days in SF. 2 of them in Yosemite, where we got snow on the second day. It was very beautiful, but we couldn´t go to Mariposa because the road was closed because of the snow.
The 6 days in SF were unforgettable! We´ve made the on top tour on those buses, visited Alcatraz and all the main points in SF.
Thanks for all tips! And we hope to come back to California!

I'm glad your trip went well. Hopefully you will be able to come back and see more of our beautiful state (I am biased, I admit )

I didn't read all the posts, but as a long time SD and former SF resident - here is what I would suggest:

Either leave SD after the evening rush hour traffic - say 6 PM and stay a night in Hollywood, or leave SD very early - 5 am to beat the rush hour traffic into LA.

After touring the spots in Hollywood - drive out Sunset to the Getty Museum at about the 405/Mulholland.

After a couple hours there - get on the road before 3 PM and go another 45 minutes beyond Santa Barbara to stay at Danish themed Solvang. The next morning - have some of the great Danish pastries and then head up to San Simeon/Hearst Castle - and take a tour around noon or so - and they last a couple of hours. Seeing the small museum at the visitor center and the 20 minute movie is a must also.

From there, drive up the Coast and stay in Big Bur or Carmel or Monterrey, and the next day - drive Cannery Row in Monterrey, take the 17 mile drive in Carmel, and then decide if you want to visit the beautiful Aquarium.

Finish off driving up to SF, where if you are spending 5? days - you can kick back a bit.

So much to see in SF - but a Napa tour one afternoon could also be fun - and without traffic - it's what - an hour and a half or so up to the cute little Victorian square in Sonoma - at the southern end of the Napa Valley.

Nice itinerary Tom, but the OP is already back home in Brazil