NYC Mini-Trip Report with Accessibility On the Brain
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NYC Mini-Trip Report with Accessibility On the Brain
Hello!
Just wanted to add a few notes quickly about my experience playing tour guide this past weekend in New York City to my amazingly energetic mom and stepdad.
They were in the city a mere 48 hours but we made the most of it. Since my stepdad, a veteran, is in a wheelchair, we did a fair amount of research to ensure that the weekend went smoothly.
Hotel: I set them up at the Financial District Marriott due to it's close access to the E train at the WTC center. Since we were not going to see a Broadway show and they were not interested in the Times Square area, we stayed out of midtown. The low weekend rates are a steal too I feel for this caliber of a hotel. The room was booked several months ago at $199 a night.
Verdict: Nice business hotel, very accommodating front desk. My parents loved having a Starbuck's downstairs in the lobby. While the hotel did offer us an accessible room specifically for guests with disabilities, we opted for a normal room with double beds (my sister was in town visiting as well). The normal room suited my step-father just fine; he was able to wheel into the bathroom with no trouble. Unfortunately, the elevator down to the E train at the WTC station was out of commission and will be for some time. This messed up our plans for using the subway more often; we took more cabs than expected.
TRANSPORTATION
Train
They opted to take Amtrak to New York; no major complaints and the train was only 20 minutes late. While several low cost carriers fly into JFK, it was decided that the train would actually be an easier affair all together. They did say it was a bit of a scramble to figure out exactly which car was accessible. Once in the right car, my stepdad couldn't really wander the train or move about past that car as it was the only one that was accessible. I was anxiously awaiting their arrival at Penn Station. I asked several folks in the station where they might surface and no one really seemed to know. Many showed disbelief that my stepdad would be able to move among the station's many levels. Note: Always get a second, third, or fourth opinion. Luckily, they "surfaced" at an outdoor elevator mid-block on the 31st street near 8th avenue. Overall, they loved the train; I'm glad they didn't drive up as parking is really expensive.
Cabs
We took a fair number of cabs over the two days and found all of the cab drivers to be friendly. My step-father hopped into the cab and the cabbie popped the trunk. I never realized how huge the trunks are in those cabs; the chair almost completely fit. The wheels on his chair pop off really easily so that was no problem. While we would get excited when we the few cab vans, those vans actually weren't really any easier to fit into.
Most expensive cab ride: $20 (cab from the hotel to the MET up on 82nd)
Subway
Several of the subways have elevators; but it's never a guarantee that they'll be working. Viewing the MTA subway map, you'll see little wheelchair icons next to the stations that have elevators. I would also strongly recommend printing out a list of the stations with elevators and their location. It was occasionally difficult to find the elevators; the list provided by the MTA was helpful. http://www.mta.info/mta/ada/stations.htm#manhattan
These are the stations that we used:
42nd Street- Port Authority (A,C,E) line
125th street- (D line)
West 4th Street- (A,C,E) line
None of the elevators are in line with each other; hence we needed to take an elevator from a bottom platform up to the mezzanine level and then go down a ways to find another elevator to go up to the street level (this makes sense for ticketing purposes). Many parents wielding strollers use the elevators though so there were always people to ask for directions.
Despite calling the MTA's accessibility hotline (1-800-734-6772)earlier in the day to be sure that there were no elevator malfunctions at any of our planned stops, we found ourselves at West 4th with no elevator. Luckily, the escalator was working and we made our way up it. This is something my stepdad does often and he felt comfortable doing it here. The MTA recommends that you get on a train headed to another station where there is an elevator.
Bus
My stepdad loves checking out all of the transportation options when he travels. We fit in a bus ride on our way to Yankee Stadium. We rode it from 90th street up to the 125th street stop in Harlem along Central Park West. A ramp quickly folds out from the front entrance of the bus; the bus driver locked him into a special spot. It was incredibly easy; the only strike against using the bus is that it takes time and some planning. Perhaps for their next visit we'll take it more often, especially for spots on the city's east side. It certainly made me want to take the bus more; it's scenic!
Food & Nightlife
After dinner on Friday night, we headed to a bar in the West Village, the Village Tavern (one step up) to watch the end of the Yankees game. It was pretty crowded. The men's bathroom, while not particularly roomy or wheelchair-friendly was large enough for him to use. We played a little Buckhunter too---a hunting game that my mom especially got a kick out of. Is anyone familiar with it?
On the second night of their visit, we ate at Bar Pitti on sixth avenue just south of Houston (again in the West Village). This was nice because they have ample outdoor seating; my step-father was again able to just wheel up to the table. The people watching on that strip of sixth avenue is pretty stellar. The food was good--simple Italian; not fussy. My favorite part was the antipasto platter appetizer we inhaled. Note: the bathroom is not accessible.
Afterwards we picked up Italian treats at Rocco's and gelato at Cones---both on Bleeker. We then crossed seventh and wandered that area---including the exterior of the Huxtable's house from the Cosby Show.
Activities
Circle Line 2-hour cruise: we really enjoyed this cruise, which took us down the Hudson, around the tip of the island (with views of the Statue of Liberty), and up the East River. Boarding the boat was painless though I would recommend getting there early; I thought the ticket process was a little slow. While my stepdad was unable to go to the top of the boat on the roof, our spot underneath afforded us the same great views and we could actually hear the guide. There was a lighting storm during the cruise which really added to the drama of it all---I was bummed it wasn't a prettier afternoon but we all agreed that we were happy to be staying dry and still seeing the city. Note: We did not see an accessible bathroom on the boat.
Washington Square Park
My mom loves stopping by this NYU-vicinity park to visit the dog run there. It started pouring during our walk but we did manage a pit stop to see a few dogs (and owners) getting wet and playing in the dust.
Metropolitan Art Museum
The accessible entrance to this formidable museum is to the left as you are facing the stairs (south wing). As expected, we had no trouble getting around here. I will never get used to the enormity of this museum; it is overwhelming. We got there just after it opened on Saturday morning---no crowds! I kept the group of us on task---you must have a plan here if you are short on time.
We saw much of the 17th-18th century European paintings, the Medieval wing with the knight gear, the Egyptian art, and the roof garden where a Frank Stella exhibit was located. The roof garden has great views of the treetops of Central Park--from that vantage point we were really able to take it all in.
Yankees Game
The Yankees game was the real reason for their visit this particular weekend; it was also the main event that everyone was looking forward to. We walked through Central Park after leaving the MET and picked up the bus on Central Park West. We then took the D line to the game at 125th street (one block west of the 125th bus stop). We arrived 2 hours early when gates open. I would strongly recommend this to avoid getting mixed up with the huge crowd. It was certainly crowded when we arrived but it was not too hectic. I would recommend taking the subway to the game to anyone---it really adds to the excitement. My stepdad and mom are Detroit fans so it was fun chatting with other Tiger fans (and taking some lighthearted ribbing from the Yankees fans).
We splurged and surprised my stepdad with accessible seats just behind home plate (about 15 rows back). Needless to say, he was a bit stunned when we arrived. So great! Accessible tickets can be purchased on the Yankees website though they sell-out too so be sure to get yours early. Companion seats were already sold out by the time we purchased his seat back in March so the rest of our troupe sat in the upper tier. He was happy as a clam though and we were able to come down one at a time throughout the game and sit for a bit with him (two folks left early). Before the game, we were guided down through the bowels of the stadium so that we could access Monument Park (out in center field), a series of plaques showing old Yankees legends. I believe that to formally access the park the back way we could have gone to the Access Service Center on the field level at section 2. As it was, a stadium employee saw us trying to get a peek of the park from above (there is a long line that stretches along the third baseline) and they offered to take us down. We really enjoyed that and my parents had a chance to make eye contact with some Tigers in outfield. They dropped a ball with a single fresh grass stain over the plexi-glass shield---very cool.
The Tigers lost but we all had a blast. We lingered after to avoid the crowds and had no trouble getting back into the city on the D line.
Well.. that was pretty much the weekend! We had amazing weather and folks were friendly wherever we went. I was very proud to be showing "my" New York.
Just wanted to add a few notes quickly about my experience playing tour guide this past weekend in New York City to my amazingly energetic mom and stepdad.
They were in the city a mere 48 hours but we made the most of it. Since my stepdad, a veteran, is in a wheelchair, we did a fair amount of research to ensure that the weekend went smoothly.
Hotel: I set them up at the Financial District Marriott due to it's close access to the E train at the WTC center. Since we were not going to see a Broadway show and they were not interested in the Times Square area, we stayed out of midtown. The low weekend rates are a steal too I feel for this caliber of a hotel. The room was booked several months ago at $199 a night.
Verdict: Nice business hotel, very accommodating front desk. My parents loved having a Starbuck's downstairs in the lobby. While the hotel did offer us an accessible room specifically for guests with disabilities, we opted for a normal room with double beds (my sister was in town visiting as well). The normal room suited my step-father just fine; he was able to wheel into the bathroom with no trouble. Unfortunately, the elevator down to the E train at the WTC station was out of commission and will be for some time. This messed up our plans for using the subway more often; we took more cabs than expected.
TRANSPORTATION
Train
They opted to take Amtrak to New York; no major complaints and the train was only 20 minutes late. While several low cost carriers fly into JFK, it was decided that the train would actually be an easier affair all together. They did say it was a bit of a scramble to figure out exactly which car was accessible. Once in the right car, my stepdad couldn't really wander the train or move about past that car as it was the only one that was accessible. I was anxiously awaiting their arrival at Penn Station. I asked several folks in the station where they might surface and no one really seemed to know. Many showed disbelief that my stepdad would be able to move among the station's many levels. Note: Always get a second, third, or fourth opinion. Luckily, they "surfaced" at an outdoor elevator mid-block on the 31st street near 8th avenue. Overall, they loved the train; I'm glad they didn't drive up as parking is really expensive.
Cabs
We took a fair number of cabs over the two days and found all of the cab drivers to be friendly. My step-father hopped into the cab and the cabbie popped the trunk. I never realized how huge the trunks are in those cabs; the chair almost completely fit. The wheels on his chair pop off really easily so that was no problem. While we would get excited when we the few cab vans, those vans actually weren't really any easier to fit into.
Most expensive cab ride: $20 (cab from the hotel to the MET up on 82nd)
Subway
Several of the subways have elevators; but it's never a guarantee that they'll be working. Viewing the MTA subway map, you'll see little wheelchair icons next to the stations that have elevators. I would also strongly recommend printing out a list of the stations with elevators and their location. It was occasionally difficult to find the elevators; the list provided by the MTA was helpful. http://www.mta.info/mta/ada/stations.htm#manhattan
These are the stations that we used:
42nd Street- Port Authority (A,C,E) line
125th street- (D line)
West 4th Street- (A,C,E) line
None of the elevators are in line with each other; hence we needed to take an elevator from a bottom platform up to the mezzanine level and then go down a ways to find another elevator to go up to the street level (this makes sense for ticketing purposes). Many parents wielding strollers use the elevators though so there were always people to ask for directions.
Despite calling the MTA's accessibility hotline (1-800-734-6772)earlier in the day to be sure that there were no elevator malfunctions at any of our planned stops, we found ourselves at West 4th with no elevator. Luckily, the escalator was working and we made our way up it. This is something my stepdad does often and he felt comfortable doing it here. The MTA recommends that you get on a train headed to another station where there is an elevator.
Bus
My stepdad loves checking out all of the transportation options when he travels. We fit in a bus ride on our way to Yankee Stadium. We rode it from 90th street up to the 125th street stop in Harlem along Central Park West. A ramp quickly folds out from the front entrance of the bus; the bus driver locked him into a special spot. It was incredibly easy; the only strike against using the bus is that it takes time and some planning. Perhaps for their next visit we'll take it more often, especially for spots on the city's east side. It certainly made me want to take the bus more; it's scenic!
Food & Nightlife
After dinner on Friday night, we headed to a bar in the West Village, the Village Tavern (one step up) to watch the end of the Yankees game. It was pretty crowded. The men's bathroom, while not particularly roomy or wheelchair-friendly was large enough for him to use. We played a little Buckhunter too---a hunting game that my mom especially got a kick out of. Is anyone familiar with it?
On the second night of their visit, we ate at Bar Pitti on sixth avenue just south of Houston (again in the West Village). This was nice because they have ample outdoor seating; my step-father was again able to just wheel up to the table. The people watching on that strip of sixth avenue is pretty stellar. The food was good--simple Italian; not fussy. My favorite part was the antipasto platter appetizer we inhaled. Note: the bathroom is not accessible.
Afterwards we picked up Italian treats at Rocco's and gelato at Cones---both on Bleeker. We then crossed seventh and wandered that area---including the exterior of the Huxtable's house from the Cosby Show.
Activities
Circle Line 2-hour cruise: we really enjoyed this cruise, which took us down the Hudson, around the tip of the island (with views of the Statue of Liberty), and up the East River. Boarding the boat was painless though I would recommend getting there early; I thought the ticket process was a little slow. While my stepdad was unable to go to the top of the boat on the roof, our spot underneath afforded us the same great views and we could actually hear the guide. There was a lighting storm during the cruise which really added to the drama of it all---I was bummed it wasn't a prettier afternoon but we all agreed that we were happy to be staying dry and still seeing the city. Note: We did not see an accessible bathroom on the boat.
Washington Square Park
My mom loves stopping by this NYU-vicinity park to visit the dog run there. It started pouring during our walk but we did manage a pit stop to see a few dogs (and owners) getting wet and playing in the dust.
Metropolitan Art Museum
The accessible entrance to this formidable museum is to the left as you are facing the stairs (south wing). As expected, we had no trouble getting around here. I will never get used to the enormity of this museum; it is overwhelming. We got there just after it opened on Saturday morning---no crowds! I kept the group of us on task---you must have a plan here if you are short on time.
We saw much of the 17th-18th century European paintings, the Medieval wing with the knight gear, the Egyptian art, and the roof garden where a Frank Stella exhibit was located. The roof garden has great views of the treetops of Central Park--from that vantage point we were really able to take it all in.
Yankees Game
The Yankees game was the real reason for their visit this particular weekend; it was also the main event that everyone was looking forward to. We walked through Central Park after leaving the MET and picked up the bus on Central Park West. We then took the D line to the game at 125th street (one block west of the 125th bus stop). We arrived 2 hours early when gates open. I would strongly recommend this to avoid getting mixed up with the huge crowd. It was certainly crowded when we arrived but it was not too hectic. I would recommend taking the subway to the game to anyone---it really adds to the excitement. My stepdad and mom are Detroit fans so it was fun chatting with other Tiger fans (and taking some lighthearted ribbing from the Yankees fans).
We splurged and surprised my stepdad with accessible seats just behind home plate (about 15 rows back). Needless to say, he was a bit stunned when we arrived. So great! Accessible tickets can be purchased on the Yankees website though they sell-out too so be sure to get yours early. Companion seats were already sold out by the time we purchased his seat back in March so the rest of our troupe sat in the upper tier. He was happy as a clam though and we were able to come down one at a time throughout the game and sit for a bit with him (two folks left early). Before the game, we were guided down through the bowels of the stadium so that we could access Monument Park (out in center field), a series of plaques showing old Yankees legends. I believe that to formally access the park the back way we could have gone to the Access Service Center on the field level at section 2. As it was, a stadium employee saw us trying to get a peek of the park from above (there is a long line that stretches along the third baseline) and they offered to take us down. We really enjoyed that and my parents had a chance to make eye contact with some Tigers in outfield. They dropped a ball with a single fresh grass stain over the plexi-glass shield---very cool.
The Tigers lost but we all had a blast. We lingered after to avoid the crowds and had no trouble getting back into the city on the D line.
Well.. that was pretty much the weekend! We had amazing weather and folks were friendly wherever we went. I was very proud to be showing "my" New York.
Aug 20th, 2007, 09:58 AM
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Great trip report, well organized and easy to follow. Sounds like everyone in your family enjoyed a well planned visit and rolled with those glitches that can happen to anyone when traveling. Loved your description of the Yankees game too.
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Thanks curiosgeo; it was a good time, just tiring. I did more in two days than I typically do in a normal month living in New York. Taking people around makes you realize all of the things in the city that you may not take advantage of as often as you should.
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Agreed.. have to get their heads out of those guidebooks they are working on. I'm also more in tune to the whole trip report idea--I certainly read them a ton. I'm also looking forward and figuring out how to make the trip reports "work" on this site in terms of writing trip reports (and reading them).
I guess in the end, I'm really interested in how subsets of the population travel. For instance, I'd like pull together more information regarding accessibility issues as it's something that's important to me due to my relationship with my stepdad.
By the way, I enjoyed your recent entries---you packed a lot into your trip.
I guess in the end, I'm really interested in how subsets of the population travel. For instance, I'd like pull together more information regarding accessibility issues as it's something that's important to me due to my relationship with my stepdad.
By the way, I enjoyed your recent entries---you packed a lot into your trip.
Aug 20th, 2007, 02:20 PM
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Katie - great report: well written and organized. You hit two of my neighborhood favorites, Blue Ribbon Bakery and Bar Pitti.
Your report really brought home the accessibility issues to me - something as an able-bodied NYer I usually take completely for granted - one question at W. 4th Street, I know there are escalators down to the platforms, but how did you get from the street below ground? I thought all the entrances at that stop were down a flight of stairs.
Your report really brought home the accessibility issues to me - something as an able-bodied NYer I usually take completely for granted - one question at W. 4th Street, I know there are escalators down to the platforms, but how did you get from the street below ground? I thought all the entrances at that stop were down a flight of stairs.
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Thanks for the comments about my reports, Katie (I think you were referring to me), but a word of warning. There are some here -- well at least one -- who may attack you for revealing too much personal information about your loved ones. She may slam you for talking about their health issues and telling total strangers about their limitations. She may even suggest you have no compassion to invade their privacy this way.
But I think it's valuable information, just as I think it's worth while for me to talk about traveling "with Alzheimer's". Again -- great report.
But I think it's valuable information, just as I think it's worth while for me to talk about traveling "with Alzheimer's". Again -- great report.
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I totally agree with you NeoPatrick. There but for the grace of God go we.
I think it's just as relevant to discuss the special requirements of travelling with a person with special needs as there is for those traveling with children, or fussy husbands or temperamental teenagers.
Just shows that most potential complications can be solved with a little planning and consideration.
It certainly was an action packed trip Katie H. You're a great daughter
I think it's just as relevant to discuss the special requirements of travelling with a person with special needs as there is for those traveling with children, or fussy husbands or temperamental teenagers.
Just shows that most potential complications can be solved with a little planning and consideration.
It certainly was an action packed trip Katie H. You're a great daughter
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Thanks for the comments. I certainly don't feel strange telling folks too much about my family; my stepdad is interested in getting more involved in advocacy, especially for other injured vets.
eigasuki-- you're right...I'm really excited about adding some upgraded tagging features here so that certain types of trips could easily be browsed across destinations--- i.e. travel with teens, solo travel, family reunions...
I'm from the South. 8-)
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There is an elevator at street level at the West 4th station; it's at the corner of 3rd Street and 6th avenue---beside those hopping basketball courts and across from the IFC movie theater. That elevator goes down one level to the turnstile area; my stepdad could then wheeldown that long hallway onto the first platform (A,C,E) trains; there is another elevator mid-level that goes down to the B,D,F,V tracks.
eigasuki-- you're right...I'm really excited about adding some upgraded tagging features here so that certain types of trips could easily be browsed across destinations--- i.e. travel with teens, solo travel, family reunions...
I'm from the South. 8-)
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There is an elevator at street level at the West 4th station; it's at the corner of 3rd Street and 6th avenue---beside those hopping basketball courts and across from the IFC movie theater. That elevator goes down one level to the turnstile area; my stepdad could then wheeldown that long hallway onto the first platform (A,C,E) trains; there is another elevator mid-level that goes down to the B,D,F,V tracks.
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Thanks for posting this. There is such a need for knowing accessibility entrances, etc. I work with the elderly (although not in New York) and this sort of information is invaluable. I am sure it will help many people.
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Living in Florida, we come to take accessibility issues as a given. I was a child when we laughed at how the curbs were sloped at intersections in St. Petersburg to allow wheelchairs. Now that's a given most places. But I've often wondered in New York and other places, as I'm going down the narrow steps to the restrooms in the basement, what do handicapped people do? How many of us would think to check out such an issue as having accessible restrooms when booking dinner somewhere?
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I think accessibility issues will become a greater priority as baby boomers age.
I think my stepdad would like to travel internationally more (they travel often, but always domestic). They are very independent (and young!) so I don't see them enjoying many of the tours that I have seen that are tailored with accessibility in mind.
When I travel in Europe, I am on the lookout for wheelchair signs and the like and I find very few or the signage is not consistent.
I think my stepdad would like to travel internationally more (they travel often, but always domestic). They are very independent (and young!) so I don't see them enjoying many of the tours that I have seen that are tailored with accessibility in mind.
When I travel in Europe, I am on the lookout for wheelchair signs and the like and I find very few or the signage is not consistent.
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Great report. I'm so impressed, not only by you (you obviously have a great relationship with your stepfather), but by him -- it would be a lot easier for him to just not travel because of the difficulties of things like NP mentions, but he still goes, and apparently goes often. That's great.
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They love to travel---but so far have stuck in the U.S. They love Lake Tahoe and spots in Florida. They went to Hawaii last year.
Thanks for the kudos everybody---I had fun writing the report and appreciate your kind reception.
Thanks for the kudos everybody---I had fun writing the report and appreciate your kind reception.
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Great report Katie and I'm sure your report will be very valuable to those with wheelchair accessability issues!
Love Blue Ribbon!
Personally I'd much rather stay downtown than anywhere in Midtown. It is quieter at night and there is just so much history downtown.
Love the Wall Street area and in particular Stone Street.
Love Blue Ribbon!
Personally I'd much rather stay downtown than anywhere in Midtown. It is quieter at night and there is just so much history downtown.
Love the Wall Street area and in particular Stone Street.
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Hello Katie, thanks to your response in the Lounge I bounced over to your trip report which I truly enjoyed! And like others that have posted here while reading it I kept thinking what a great report for those that have accessibility issues or those that travelling companions who do..and sooner or later it will be more and more people I would think what with the Baby Boomers getting older.
It is true that when one has out of town company one see's more of their city or area than they normally do in a year. I always enjoy having guest who enjoy San Francisco, as I than play tourist which is really fun.
Thanks for sharing your NYC weekend Katie and thanks for being such an involved and fun Fodor Editor. You are truly appreciated as I hope you know.
It is true that when one has out of town company one see's more of their city or area than they normally do in a year. I always enjoy having guest who enjoy San Francisco, as I than play tourist which is really fun.
Thanks for sharing your NYC weekend Katie and thanks for being such an involved and fun Fodor Editor. You are truly appreciated as I hope you know.
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I join in w/praise for your continued
stewardship.
Isn't there a guidebook in this for
Fodor's? As a nation, we certainly
could do a heck of a lot more in this
area.
To wit: the LIRR Has a MAJOR gap problem @ stations as publicized but
most do not have wheelchair accessibility.
stewardship.
Isn't there a guidebook in this for
Fodor's? As a nation, we certainly
could do a heck of a lot more in this
area.
To wit: the LIRR Has a MAJOR gap problem @ stations as publicized but
most do not have wheelchair accessibility.
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