I am trying to get tickets to Book of Mormon on their website and am having trouble. Today was supposed to be day American Express seats are available and nothing seems to show up. Granted I am looking for seats for Jan 20 but I don't know if it is just their site or if they are sold out -- what do you think?
Thanks~

They are probably sold out! I would think the only option for that date would be premium seats probably in the $300+ range.

Bingo! I finally found some at $352 a ticket, NOT going to happen.

2 for 1 sale for broadway week http://www.nycgo.com/broadwayweek/?a=1&b=1&pid=hp-hero-drgbl-4

When you get to NY, go to the box office for Book of Mormon. After finding our days sold out online or very very expensive, twice I have been able to buy tickets for those dates at around $150.It's worth stopping by.

Is Happy Trvlrs' idea sound? Me and DW got a deal partially subsidized by a gift of a few nights as well as some loyalty programs for 3 nights near Times square and wnat to see 3 shows, W, Th, F nights. Is just snooping around the box offices worth a try for good tix? or should I start with Hotel staff recommendations and/or some other discount ticket source? don't really want to stand in line for 1/2 price tickets unless the collecetive wisdom thinks thats a good idea.

Do you know what shows you want to see? If you're open to a wide variety of choices, check out broadwaybox.com and playbill.com for available discounts. With these, you can take a copy of the offer to the box office and get the tickets without waiting in long line.

Well if you are bringing kids this winter, TADA and the Swiss Cottage Marionette shows are on and Kids Night on Broadway has started selling tickets. Details here:

http://thestarryeye.typepad.com/explorenyc/2012/12/central-park-swiss-cottage-marionette-theater.html

Also, I just received an email from Peter and the Starcatchers that said they weren't closing - they were moving back off Broadway to New World Stages in March. There is no indication at New World Stages that that is happening though.

Yes, Sue, Peter and the Starcatcher is transferring to off-Broadway, following the same on-to-off-Broadway path taken by Avenue Q and Million Dollar Quartet.

Thx Howard.

Great "Season of Savings" savings. Here's an offer for WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF for the same price, but with a longer expiration date, through 3/24/13.

Also, a huge hit in Chicago (at Steppenwolf, totally sold out) now moving to the Barrow Street Theater, off broadway -- HIT THE WALL.

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Loved this production of "Virginia Woolf" - but you need to see it on a weekend. It's tough to sit through at the end of a workday or a busy, tiring tourist day.

As for "Hit the Wall," I could never get in to see it. Sold out every single night. Hopefully it'll be a good production in NYC.

And at the Barrow Street, try to catch 'TJ and Dave.' They're fantastic.

docdan, if you want tickets to a sold out hit show it definitely pays to try the box office. Sometimes house seats become available at the last minute.

I've been lucky that way a few times.

The Heiress is closing in two weeks. It was a limited run show.

While there is a chance, as panecott suggests, of getting last-minute tickets to a sold-out show, keep in mind that the key words are "last-minute." We're talking about an hour or two before showtime. So, if you've put all your eggs into that one basket, what do you do when there are no tickets? Also keep in mind that far more often than not, there will not be any tickets available.
Don't get me wrong. I certainly endorse checking out the sold-out shows at the last minute. But, keep the reality of the situation in mind.

It just wasn't that long ago that discount tickets were $35 - $40. I think it was around the time of The Producers, that ticket prices skyrocketed. Because they could. The cost of real estate - a seat jumped from $65/$85 to $140+ overnight. Each season, other, lesser shows followed suit slowly so that in a matter of just a few years the discount tickets now cost more then the full priced tickets a few years ago.

Last week given the choice of sitting in the rafters with discount tix to Newsies for a bargain price of $99 - a show that only mildly interested us, we chose rather to go see Les Miz movie at the Zeigfeld for the bargain price of $14.

As far as Book of Mormon, still haven't seen it but would definately check out the box office day of show, knowing the chances of house seats being released are 50/50. Just be careful what seats they are releasing. We went to one of the last preview years ago of Spamalot. They sold extreme obstructed seats at full orchestra price. We bought them, fully knowing that we would not see half the show, but it was our only opportunity. For your average tourist theatre goer - it was a complete ripoff. So be clear of what you are buying day of. The house seats are usually about 8th row center.

Sorry for the rant. Anyone who doesn't want to pay $300 to see Book of Mormon, I am sure that the touring company is as good, if it is coming to a town near you.

http://www.bookofmormonbroadway.com/tour_page.php

shame on me for posting without opening the link. yes there are some good bargains there

If you are OK with trying for last-minute tickets, Off-Broadway is running their 20 at 20 promotion through Feb 10th - $20 tickets, buy 20 minutes before showtime. They have some good offerings - Forbidden B'way, Silence, Ave Q, Stomp
http://www.20at20.com/

$20 for a ticket to Forbidden Broadway should not be overlooked by an serious theatergoer. What a great bargain! I would guess that you'd have a good chance for mid-week tickets. I know it's not sellin out.
Again not to mislead people, the chance of getting last-minute house seats to The Book of Mormon is a possibility, but must less than the above-mentioned 50/50 chance!

Idina is returning to Broadway. I'll be there -
http://www.playbill.com/news/article/175453-Idina-Menzel-Will-Star-in-New-Broadway-Musical-By-Next-to-Normal-Writers-Tom-Kitt-and-Brian-Yorkey

Anyone up for a new thread? We are going to be in NYC for 5 nights in May and are looking into shows...

Only 6 1/2 weeks left for you to see Forbidden Broadway, one of the best shows on or off Broadway. It closes April 28. This a must-see especially for those of you who frequently go to Broadway shows.

Thanks Howard, I wish we were going to be there before 4/28m we just missed it by a few days. I splurged and got full price 3rd row left orch tickets to Once for our May trip. Will see that one show intead of two others.

I have also gotten a seat to see "Motown" on a Wed. night in early May. Citibank cardholders can get discounted very good seats, I used that offer and got a discounted middle orchestra aisle seat. Online postings about the previews of this show rave about it.

So seeing "Once," "Motown," and then seeing Dan Hicks and the Hotlick at City Winery on 5/5. Should be a nice 5 nights in NC! Also scored a Groupon for Bobby Van's on 54th St. for pre-theater the night we see Once. It is a good Groupo, no limits on what you can order, it is pay $100 and get $200 worth of food and drinks. This should provide a nice meal for the 3 of us.

Beg your pardon for the typos, my keyboard has separated from my laptop...

So what is up, have the long-running Broadway Banter threads lost their appeal here? Is anyone else seeing any shows this spring?

I have tickets for Ann (about Ann Richards), Tally's Folly,
Breakfast @ Tiffany's, Assembled Parties.

The crappy winter weather (plus a bout with bronchitis) has put a damper on our theatergoing. But, now that spring is approaching, things should pick up. I might add that there haven't been that many new shows that we're dieing to see! However, we do hope to catch Talley's Folly soon.

Sorry if this is old news...I went back through the last 2 Broadway Banter threads and do noy see anything about
Peter and the Starcather off broadway. I can get discount seats un muddle of the front orchestra 5th row section for early May. I'd appreciate some review info, what is it like, did you lke it, etc...the usual great banter and input I love from these threads.
Eileen

We enjoyed it, but were a little disappointed. That might have been because we expected too much. Anyway, the show received mixed reviews from Fodor's posters. There definitely were some strong supporters of the show.
As for the tickets, fifth row center, obviously, is a good location! However, even if the seats weren't that good, I'd still get them. Since it's a small theater, there probably aren't any "bad" seats.

Howard, can you recommend any other current on or off Broadway shows? My 22 yr old son and I have one more show to fill, and I want to look at other options bedies Peter and the Starcatchers. Thanks in advance.

I went ahead and used a Broadway box discount and got tix to Kinky Boots. Hope this was a good move.

Havbe you ever seen Chicago? Your son would enjoy that one.
Otherwise, there's a bunch of new shows comin. And, narturally, it's tough to recommend any of them at this stage. One of the new ones is a revival of Pippin, the original of which was quite entertaining.

Saw Matilda Saturday night and loved it! For anyone afraid of seeing an English "Annie", remember its written by Roald Dahl so is appropriately dark and sad. There was a small (from the sound of it) child crying after one extremely intense part of act 2. So leave the real little ones at home and enjoy the sounds of Revolting Children!

Emd3 - take your son to see David Ives' revival of 'All in the Timing' at 59E59. He wrote Venus in Fur, but this is nothing like that - 6 short pieces - clever and funny - through April 14th. Another clever off Broadway production is Old Hats on 42nd St., but my first choice would be the David Ives production - unique, great cast.

Will I be able to take the coupon code from broadway box to a ticket office or do I need an actual printout?

Most require an actual print out. But so e now will let you hold up your smartphone and show them the code. Just depends on the theatre and possibly the worker.

I enjoyed Ann at the Vivian Beaumont with a TDF ticket. It was nice to see the blue side of Texas.

Thanks neopatrick, I was concerned since I didn't plan ahead this time and we left on a spur of the moment Trip. I didn't take time to pick possible shows and print the coupons before we left home.

traveler2005 - if you're staying in a hotel, you should have access to a computer and printer.

We are staying at a hotel. I'll check for access.

Centralparkgal is so right. Breakfast @ Tiffany's is a must-miss BUT Ann is fabulous & Holland Taylor does a great job portraying her.

I saw Assembled Parties tonight - really enjoyed it. I would suggest to others to see it after it opens since I've heard from a reliable source that there might be some rewrites.

Rhea - I've heard only good things about Ann and look forward to seeing it soon. Worse than Breakfast was The Lying Lesson with Carol Kane - we left during intermission!

OH wow, CPG, I was so looking forward to The Lying Lesson, and thought I'd see it yesterday but managed a returned ticket to The Last Five Years instead, thinking I'd see The Lying Lesson next week, but then realized it closes this week (as planned). So, you're saying I didn't miss much?

Has anyone seen or heard about the Madrid with Edie falco? It has been extended through early may and I am thinking of seeing it.

While standing in line at TKTS a few weeks ago, I was chatting with the man in front of me -- a retired Broadway stage manager in fact. I mentioned I was thinking of The Madrid and he rolled his eyes then said it was one of the dullest things he had ever seen. Checking on some blogs, I found many similar remarks, and except for some people who say "I LOVE Edie Falco" I have yet to read much good about this play itself or the production.

here's a review you might want to read:
http://www.backstage.com/review/ny-theater/off-broadway/liz-flahive-the-madrid-edie-falco-manhattan-theatre-club/

and the NYTimes review:
http://theater.nytimes.com/2013/02/27/theater/reviews/the-madrid-starring-edie-falco-at-city-center-stage-i.html?_r=0

Thank you Patrick, I am going to pass on it. Was going to fill in a Wed afternoon w/a play but will just leave that time open. Seeing Motown, Kinky Boots, and Once on this trip (and Dan Hicks and the Hotlicks at City Winery).

How about Tally's Folly?
Here's the Times review, just one of many very good ones.
I find it a delightful play and am looking forward to seeing it soon.

http://theater.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/theater/reviews/talleys-folly-revived-at-the-roundabout.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Re Pippen:


The person ahead of us at the box office commented that the balcony would be a preferred location due to the verticality (my word, not hers) of the show. So we followed her logic and purchased tickets in the same area. They were in row E, the fifth, and were good seats, close enough to see facial expressions, but far enough to get an overview of the action.

The mezzanine appeared to be almost entirely filled with high school students, well-dressed and full of excitement at seeing a Broadway show during their spring break trip to NYC.

The kids had also apparently done their homework because they greeted the major actors with cheers and loud applause.

During the first act, I pondered whether this story of Pippen son of Charlemagne was based at all on true events. During the second act, I surmised that it was not. However, I haven't googled yet to find out. At intermission, the man next to me asked if the play was what I was expecting. I concurred that it was not. However, I think my surprise was the plotline (I think I was expecting something about an actual circus) whole his was at its Cirque du Soleil meets Broadway emphasis. I was also surprised that the show-stopping mid-play ovation (that I'd heard about and which recurred) for an actor's song was probably earned more for her trapeze courage than for her singing.

The end of the play found me struggling to stay awake. I'm not sure whether this was due to the East Coast time zone and the long days finally catching up to me or whether it did drag on a little too long.

The students loved the show and, if it had been the only show I'd seen this season, I would have loved it too. Instead, I liked it. Love was reserved this time for Once and Vanya.

Neo - It was dreadful, very disappointing. Go see All in the Timing. I think you would love it, especially if you never saw the original.

Actually I did see the original and also directed one segment once

Has anyone seen Motown yet? (It's still in previews for two more weeks.) I think I'd like it but I'm not finding too many reviews -- and the ones I do see are polarized. Berry Gordy was on CBS Sunday Morning yesterday:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57577147/berry-gordy-recreates-the-legend-of-motown/

You won't find any real reviews for Motown until after it officially opens two weeks from now.

I have yet to figure if this is essentially the same Motown I saw in London several years ago -- it sounds like it is. Regardless, what's not to like -- it's Motown music, a real juke box musical. Some people hate jukebox musicals, some love them. If you like the sounds of Motown, and you enjoy musical reviews with a bit of history or story thrown in, then I'd think you'd enjoy it.

Opinions for an upcoming two day (3 show) visit to NY.

-- Matilda, Kinky Boots or Pippin?

-- The Nance or Lucky Guy?

-- Vanya, Sonia, et al ?

Hmmm. I'd eliminate Kinky Boots of the three. Pippin just won the most drama critics nominations. Matilda should be great fun too.

The Nance over Lucky Guy!

Don't miss Vanya, et al.

I pretty much agree with NeoPstrick.

Thanks Howard and Patrick. Pippin or Matilda for hummable tunes and great dancing? Pippin looks a bit like Cirque. Is the song and dance of Matilda compromised any by a cast of mostly young people? Last Q: Would discount tix vs full price sway you to one over the other?

I saw Matilda a month ago. It was still in previews but one issue with the young cast is that some of the lyrics were a bit hard to understand. The NY Times review mentioned the same thing and it may be better now. I have since purchased the soundtrack and have listened over and over and REALLY enjoy it. And I loved the music when we were actually watching it as well. Search for videos online that have the children singing and you'll get a good idea of what you'll see. I challenge you to watch "When I Grow Up" and not have a lump in your throat.

Lots of luck getting discounts to Matilda. I do want to see it, and will see Pippin next week, but I've always loved the score of Pippin. I believe Andrea Martin is still stopping the show with a standing ovation every night.

OK...made my choices, bought my tix. Matilda, Vanya, and The Nance. Should be a good mix for the weekend. Thanks for your help.

That is a good variety. Saw The Nance yesterday. Nathan Lane can make you laugh and cry at the same time!

Back from my weekend in NY. Here are my reviews of the three shows I saw. Thanks again for help with choices.

Matilda: Loved it! Starting with the set which is magical and creative -- on to Bertie Carvel as Miss Trunchbull who is delightfully evil in an oh-so-sad sort of way. Then there are the Wormwoods, just the kind of parents you love to hate. Gabriel Ebert as Mr. Wormwood is especially hysterical. I was delighted with our pick of the litter, Matilda, Miss Oona Laurence. She was extremely professional and utterly charming. Although at times it is a bit difficult to understand all the words in group songs, the lyrics are worth the little extra effort to catch. They are very smart. This was by far, my favorite. Highly recommend for children or adults of all ages. I had an aisle seat at the very back of the orchestra and it was still quite good.

Vanya, Sonia, Masha and Spike: Hysterically funny! David Hyde Pierce is superbly droll, but it is Kristine Nielsen as his sister, Sonia that really steals the show. Her slightly menopausal rage is charmingly crazy. Sigourney Weaver has her hands full. At times she seems in over her head, but she steps up with a brilliant "I-don't-take-myself-seriously" performance. Her "boy-toy", Spike is nothing short of wildly stupid....and I mean that as a compliment to the actor, Billy Magnussen. If you are over the age of 50, you won't be able to stop laughing during Vanya's over the top rant on today's culture. Highly recommend this one. I had a center-orchestra seat which was great for picking up all the little nuiances between characters.

The Nance: My least favorite. This one needed much more time to develope the subject material before opening. The story never comes together. Its as if the playwrite (who's previous work has been some of my favorite) just couldn't decide what story he wanted to tell. By trying to hold on to three or four major themes, all are lost. Unfortunately the title character is so thinly drawn that it is impossible to understand his motivation for anything rendering Chauncey completely unlikable. I think that even the best directors have a hard time reeling in Nathan Lane and without a meaty script as guidance, he is adrift the entire evening trying too hard to make something of nothing. It didn't work for me. I had a front row mezz seat -- A 101...its has a nasty squeak and there is no leg room, but the sight lines were great.

I saw Motown on Wed. night. Lots of Motowm Music, but I thought the plot and acting were awful. Very loosely woven plot, jumps all over the place, very frustrating. Stupid characters, acting not good. Even the music could not keep me interested, I can go out and get a Motown CD for that. I left at intermission. The only other Broadway show I have ever left was Mama Mia.

On the other hand, I saw Kinky Boots last night and really enjoyed it. it was wonderful, engaging, very high energy, great music and performances, nice plot line and message of acceptance, and OMG Billy Porter was phenomenal.

Tonight Macbeth, then Once on Sat. Night.

Loved, absolutely LOVED, Pippin!

Okay friends, help me choose! I'm going back in August (yay!) and this WILL be a Broadway trip. I hope to see 5 shows (would love to see more if I could).

From my didn't see last year list -
Once
Nice Work

TC convinced me above -
Matilda
Sonya...

Considering Pippin -(friends are seeing it tonight)

Intrigued by -
Ann
Kinky Boots
Trip to Bountiful

BOM is coming to my town via the tour so I'll wait for that (and save money)

Price is an issue and would prefer to use Broadwaybox for discounts before I leave...but would pay full price if the show will blow me away

Opinions?

I'm so excited!

Can narrow it down a bit. Vanya, etc, and Nice Work close in June. Trip to Bountiful closes in July.

Kinky Boots and Pippin should top your list. I'm amazed how many of my real theatre friends were not overly impressed with Matilda. I have yet to see it.

Well that helps a lot

Okay, they are now at the top.
Kinky
Pippin
Sonya

Matilda or Ann

Once or Nice Work

Starrs: I loved ANN; Holland Taylor really pulled it off.

Also, while Alec Baldwin is always good, Tom Sturridge stole
the show in Orphans.

Hmmm. Starrs, again, Nice Work and Sonya,Vanya, et al will both be closing in June.

Oh, Patrick.....and I was just beginning to like you. In fairness to posted reviewers, please define "real theater friends". Is that your real friends not your imaginary friends or is it real theater instead of what .....pretend theater? I would hate to think that your are just being one of "those people"........a snob.

It seems that quite a few "real theater" people in London thought highly enough of Matilda to award it heavily. Just saying.....you and your "real theater friends" are not the be all end all of critiques.

Wow, is that what you got from my post? Your very snide last line is way more patronizing that anything I may have said! Who claims that I am the "be all end all"? Wow. How rude of you! Are we not supposed to offer personal opinions or pass on the opinions of other experienced theatre goers?

"Real theatre friends" refers to my friends who are in the business -- directors, professional actors, theatre designers, and those who see virtually every show on Broadway as well as tons of regional theatre. That's as opposed to my many friends who see a couple shows a year. Sorry, if the difference between the two escapes you.

No, their opinion may mean no more to you than anyone else, but to be perfectly blunt, it does to me. Would you suggest that a newspaper theatre critic's comments wouldn't have any more weight in making a decision of what to see than hearing from a couple who just made their first trip to NYC and "loved" a show? It would to me. If that makes me a theatre snob, so be it.

Regarding your mention of London -- interesting -- yes my London contacts all LOVED Matilda, as did all the critics. While it's already quite a success on Broadway, it is certainly NOT getting the raves and the attention that it did in The West End. That has come as a big surprise to me -- perhaps there was just too much anticipation for this show to come to Broadway?

TC was advised to eliminate Kinky Boots from his list of Kinky, Pippin, or Matilda. But now Kinky should top the list over Matilda for Starrs. What has changed in the last two weeks regarding Kinky Boots? Tony nominations?

I saw Kinky last weekend and loved it. Billy Porter was phenomenal. Jaw dropping, awesome performances by several in the cast. Cindy Lauper hit the music out of the park. It was a 10 for me. Will see it again.

emd3, I put a "hmmmm" before saying of the three -- Pippin, Kinky Boots, and Matilda -- I'd eliminate Kinky boots. Actually I'd want to see all three, but that wasn't the question. Yes, since that time in mid April, I've had a lot more feedback regarding Matilda and Kinky Boots -- so my PERSONAL selection may have changed. And many comments have had to do with how much Kinky Boots changed for the better between the first previews and the current run. But as I said, I'd actually want to see both Kinky Boots and Matilda. I DID see Pippin and loved it. Probably wouldn't remove it from a "must see" list regardless.

And since some posters seem to need a reminder -- this is only one person's personal comments -- not a "be all end all" list for everyone to treat like a religion!

Thanks, Neo. Obviously I was excited last night about the news of the upcoming trip and came here first instead of Playbill.

TC, how snarky.

Neo has been in the theater world for years. I've traveled to see him perform. I do respect his opinion. If you noted, I respected yours as well last night. Today? Not so much...

Sorry, Neo. I reread - and see how mixed up I was last night.

Kinky
Pippin
Sonya

Matilda or Ann (Thanks Rhea. I love Holland Taylor)

Once or Nice Work

1. Kinky
2. Pippin
3. Ann
4. Once
5. Matilda or other (TBD)

Thanks everyone! In less than 24 hours, I have my preliminary list. I really appreciate the help

Thanks for the response, I wasn't being snide in asking, I noticed th change and wondered if it was the nominations or if maybe ou had seen it in the last 2 wks. Neo, do go see Kinky Boots, I think you will like it. I didn't realize until last night when I was channel flipping on cable that Kinky Boots was a movie made in 2005. I watched most of the movie, and while it was very very good, the musical on Broadway was great.

Have you gone to the Rum Bar at the Edison Hotel on W. 47th, across from the Barrymore theater? the back door of the hotel is next to the Hirschfeld where Kinky is playing. I always stop in there as they have good and interesting live music 7 nights a wk and no cover, and it is a small and lively bar with good atmosphere. last weekend we saw a really good piano player with another guy playing washboard and kazoo, kind of a ragtime/R&B sound. Next night was a sultry female vocalist with piano. Love that place, always meet interesting people in there.

emd3, that's funny. I just heard about the Rum Bar a couple nights ago from friends who seemed surprised I didn't know about it. Sounds like fun.

Regarding Kinky Boots, I just posted yesterday on a Broadway.com talk board that I am very confused by responses there. During previews, everyone seemed to be saying the show was dull, uninspired, etc. etc. And now many of those same posters (who often see shows quite a number of times) are raving about it. Some did admit that it just isn't the same show that first appeared in previews. Will see it, but definitely waiting for a time when Peter can go with me. And yes, I saw the film when it first came out.

Yes, Patrick, that IS what I got from your post. Read it again. You didn't say "I was surprised by how many of my FRIENDS...." You said, "my REAL THEATRE friends". It certainly read as though you think your friends opinion should hold more weight than the only person to post a Matilda review here ....me.

The problem is, you don't know me. You don't know who my friends are, or why I posted what I did about Matilda. I think you just lumped me into that "sees a couple of shows" category. I never thought that I needed to preface my opinions with my CV or that my reviews should come with the forward that I worked for many years (both on stage and behind the scenes) at a Tony winning regional theater during the years that Bart Sher was cutting his directorial eye teeth there or that one of my best friends is a multiple Tony nominated NY actress.

Who really gives a flip? When I get together with my "real theatre friends" we rarely discuss Broadway shows. If they are working theater people, they haven't had any time to see shows other than their own anyway......and even if they have, they are loathe to fault anyone else's work. I wouldn't consider them exactly impartial.

To answer your query....no, I would not give a newspaper critic the power to talk me out of the price of a Broadway ticket -- or even a movie ticket. They are only ONE person. In fact, one person with a pretty jaded view point. How many times have you disagreed with Mr. Brantley? I believe that the more exposure one gets the more desensitized they become. I much prefer the exuberant description of a performance or the honest panning by someone who has no vested interest.

Look, I posted my thoughts on my experience at each show. I tried to give an accurate description of what I saw, so that others can decide for themselves if it sounds interesting or not. I did not try to give my assessments undue weight by implying that my friends are insiders. My opinion is my opinion, it's good enough.

I saw Matilda before Ben Brantley's review came out but certainly agree with what I thought was his glowing review - calling it "the most satisfying and subversive musical ever to come out of Britain".

Heading back in late summer or fall and will probably see it again with friends - though I'll warn others who might want to take very young children. There was at least one child crying out of fear - Bertie Carvel as Miss Trunchbill is a frighteningly real monster.

GTC, you are way TOO sensitive. We all give opinions here. You need to get over the idea that if someone didn't give the same glowing review you gave, that they need to be insulted and called "snobs"!! Meanwhile, you seem to keep ignoring the fact that I have repeatedly said I want to see it and have never said anything about Matilda being bad at all. It is no secret that some theatre goers were disappointed with it -- just as some are with every single Broadway show. How you managed to turn my reference to theatre insiders as a personal slam at you is totally beyond me. You're right. I don't know you. For all I know you are the critic for the London Times (which believe it or not, would make me give more credence to your comments than if you are a housewife from Peoria and Matilda was the first show you ever saw.) But you seem to think such a distinction shouldn't make any difference. That's your right.


And if you think anything I said was to imply that people shouldn't decide for themselves -- well, then you really didn't understand anything I've said. Isn't that the whole point of offering differing opinions of shows?

I'll apologize for accidentally offending you, but you'll have to accept the fact than my response had NOTHING to do with you -- if you think otherwise, that's your problem.

Sorry. I have no idea how that G got in front of TC.

By the way, it's kind of ironic that you felt it necessary to justify your remarks with explaining your theatre connections. Isn't that exactly what you were taking issue with me for -- suggesting that having a theatre background can make for a more "justified" review? You seem to want it both ways -- your comments were important because you have a knowledge and experience in theatre -- yet other people with similar credentials should not be recognized for their views.

Even though you are putting the burden for being overly vulnerable on me, I will accept your apology, Patrick. "You're too sensative" -- often used when someone is caught in the wrong and they know it. I say, if your words aren't what you meant, then maybe you should write them more thoughtfully -- not expect the reader to sort it out.

This is not about an opposing review. You attempted to sweep aside my enjoyment of Matilda by implying that your insider friends knew something that the rest of us didn't. How could I have been upset that you disagreed with me? You haven't even seen the show. You have no first hand information to offer. Technically you can't have an opposing review.

No irony....you will notice that I did not use my insider friends to justify my opinion on a show. My statement is "I never thought I had to preface my reviews".....and ......."who gives a flip?" If you really want to know what my theater friends have to say over dinner, you would need to be interested in post-menpausal weight gain or the best mac & cheese in NY or dog training or the horrors of flying or any number of other subjects that friends discuss. Again...my opinions are my opinions and they are sufficient.

Enough said....and now back to Broadway!

I'm truly sorry you don't understand the difference between "my real theatre friends" and my friends who once in a while see theatre. And I'm sorry you don't understand that I give more weight to the opinions of the former than I do to the latter. That's my right even if you think I shouldn't have that right.

And I'm sorry you tried to make a big deal (and succeeded) out of a simple second hand opinion that was never meant to have anything to do with YOUR opinion -- whether you want to believe that or not. There was NO connection between what you said and what I said -- and there was NO reason for you to assume that I meant it as such.

But you are right -- back to Broadway -- too bad we had to have this little tirade.

Not wanting to get in the middle of this, shall I say, "difference of opinion," I'll just make one observation: If "real theater friends" are, as Patrick wrote, "friends who are in the business--directors, professional actors, theater designers....," then, considering how many bad shows they choose to get involved in during their careers, I don't think their opinions are necessarily any more valuable than those of "regular" theatergoers (like me).

Howard, I'd say my last description is closer to what I mean -- "the difference between my "real theatre friends" and my friends who once in a while see theatre. You would fall into the "real theatre friend" category in my book. You do see quite a lot of theatre and as such I would respect your opinion more than my neighbor who says "we always try to see one show a year, what should we see this time -- something that doesn't try to make us think?"

And come on now, Howard, you know that often theatre people take jobs because they "need" one, and don't really have the luxury of sitting back waiting for the perfect huge hit to come knocking on their door. Besides, many of them are convinced they're going to be able to turn a real dog into a work of art -- isn't that the nature of what theatre artisans always try to do?

Patrick, I thank you for including me as a "real theater friend."
And, yes, I do understand the "need" for a job. My point is that too often theater people greatly overrate the quality of the production they are working on or in....and, thus, very poor judges of just of good or bad it really is.

Well obviously ( or perhaps not obvious to everyone) when someone closely related to a show says it's wonderful, I'd take that comment with a huge grain of salt. But interestingly, when someone connected with a show tells me it's in real trouble or simply isn't good, I tend to think they're probably right.

And again I was mainly referring to the opinions of people who see a great deal of theatre and clearly have a major appreciation of theatre as well as those who may or may not work in the industry. Maybe it's just me, but I really do tend to listen to what they say more than a person who knows very little about theatre and sees very few shows. For the life of me, I can't imagine why anyone else wouldn't. But that doesn't mean I agree with them, or in fact that they all agree with each other. And the bottom line is that if a person has only seen one show and loved it, isn't that all that's important to him?

"I'm amazed how many of my real theatre friends were not overly impressed with Matilda."

In fairness to the production and your friends, what is it specifically that they found so unimpressive?

I found the sets and costumes imaginative and creative. The use of space and choreography inspired. The casting pitch perfect. The lyrics smart and funny (yes, a tiny bit hard to understand in places, as I said). The timing never missed a beat. The book moved well from the page to the stage; engaging children and adults alike.

What more is wanted?

I thought we were moving on, TC?
Sorry no one is allowed a different opinion than yours. But whatever.

Hoping some discounts kick in before August. Otherwise I'll have to pick some other shows...

I have seen and loved countless shows. It has never occurred to me to berate those who didn't find them as wonderful as I did. I merely chalk it up to personal preferences and don't take it personally.

Oh and back to the original question that led to all this -- whether Matilda or Kinky Boots is better. Which did you prefer? Isn't that the real question? Oh wait a minute. You didn't see Kinky Boots? So what is your point again? That a show you saw is better than one you didn't see?

Starrs, don't count on those codes until a month or less before you go.
Are you going alone? I've never been a big fan of TKTS in NYC,but recently I've had amazing luck with singles there.

By the way, I'd probably sneak in ForbiddenBroadway there somewhere.

And once again it's worth noting that I've never suggested my "friends" weren't impressed with Matilda. They were. I merely pointed out that perhaps the hype made them expect more than simply a really good show. Who has said it wasn't very good? Certainly not me. Someone seems determined to make it sound like Matilda isn't really good. Is "not OVERLY impressed" that hard to comprehend? It's a mile from "didn't like".

Sorry, Patrick (and other), but Forbidden Broadway has closed. Those who didn't see it missed one of this season's best.

I am asking a simple clarification question, Patrick. I am truly interested in what your friends found lacking. This isn't about a differing review, it's kind of a review vs no review. It seems only helpful to give more to the readers than just "not overly impressed" when posters are asking for information with which to make an informed decision. Is it helpful to throw out these one-liners casting doubt without substance?

Well darn, HowardR. That was going to be a sub in my list if discounts can't be found.

I thInk we should just all go to the Rum Bar and have a big drink and debate whatever it is there.

emd, I think that's a great idea...

To change the subject....
I read recently that another American Repertory Theater production (Pippin, Porgy and Bess) is going to Broadway in the fall. The Glass Menagerie with Cherry Jones and Zachary Quinto. I saw this in Cambridge a few months ago, and it was fantastic. I highly recommend it.

We don't usually get much good theater in Boston, though we get a few things. But the ART has been doing fantastic work the last couple of years. If any of you head up this way, you should check them out.

OK, here goes, but I feel it is a futile effort:

The reference to "not being overly impressed" was in reference to choosing between the three biggest, most nominated, and most popular musicals of the season. In this case you shouldn't expect to hear "____ was just terrible", but instead simply which of the three impressed you the most and which impressed you the least (not OVERLY impressed). People have been impressed with all three shows. Saying some weren't "overly impressed" with one of them (the most HYPED show of the season in particular), should not be regarded as some death sentence. Once again, it mainly means they went in expecting to see the most miraculous musical ever to come to Broadway -- pretty much the way it was advance billed. While they were impressed overall with the show, it just didn't hit the mark they expected it too. But expectations can be set too high. Is that really so hard to understand?

But here are a few quotes from a theatre discussion board where I'm active. The discussion is specifically about whether Kinky Boots or Matilda will win the Tony for best new musical and a number of the participants are actually Tony voters.

"I love every song in KINKY BOOTS. I think it's the best cast recording in a year. As for MATILDA, once was more than enough for me. Besides maybe one or two songs, that I'll import to iTunes, I could go my whole life and never hear the rest of that score again."

"Matilda's biggest problem is that it is a musical drama with no real thought provoking theme or message. Next to Normal had bipolar disorder, Company had marriage, Once has love at first sight, even Les Miz points out that there is a better life out there somewhere. Matilda, the musical at least, just says it's great to be naughty if you get what you want in the end."

"When I left Matilda I was depressed, when I left Kinky Boots I was happy....you do the math."

"I do think Kinky Boots came in as an underdog and was underestimated by those who hadn't seen it. It does seem to have jack-rabbited past the Matilda juggernaut in unanticipated ways (word of mouth, Tony noms, box office gross over $1million/week without big out-of-town presales, indicating robust business since opening on B'way)."

"I do think that the hype is hurting Matilda. I always feel that when someone tells me something is great and amazing - whether it's a play, book or movie... my expectations are really high and it's easier to get disappointed. Many people are going into Kinky Boots with lower expectations and then they are pleasantly surprised. It's hard to leave a show feeling so damn good and then not vote for it."

"I actually had the same conversation with 2 current Broadway producers who have shows up this season. Neither were Matilda or Kinky. They both agreed that Matilda is DEFINITELY not a shoe in for Best Musical. Kinky is right there on the same level. I personally wish I didn't hear so much hype about Matilda. I enjoyed myself definitely but it was a let down because of all that I heard from London. Kinky Boots blew me away. I think the score blows Matilda's away. Yeah Matilda has 2 or 3 songs that are nice but that's about it. Kinky has a completely wonderful and catchy score. I hope Kinky takes the grand prize!"


Is that enough, or do we need a couple hundred more? Of course anyone can decide to disagree with any of these -- and within the discussion many did. Once again theatre appreciation is an objective thing!

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china_cat, I've heard nothing but absolute raves about that Glass Menagerie production. Most have come from my real theatre fr. . . ., ooops. Never mind.

There are currently three non-musicals on limited runs (all of which end fairly soon) that should be considered by those making plans: Talley's Folly, The Assembled Parties and Vania and Sonia and Masha and Spike. The first two are in fairly small theaters, which means you can sit just about anywhere and have good sight lines!

"But here are a few quotes from a theatre discussion board where I'm active."

Still these are quotes from anonymous people in a chat room. I don't see anywhere the things that your theater friends supposedly told you when you made your original post regarding Matilda. And that has been my point all along, Patrick. I think it’s unfair to harrumph something without giving details as to why so that readers can make a fair and accurate decision for themselves. If you imply that your remark is quoted from personal friends who saw the show, that is one thing. If you're quoting from another theater forum...it’s a whole different animal and should be disclosed as such.

"Once again theatre appreciation is an objective thing!"

I totally agree. I would only add that its a well know fact that the NY theater community is notoriously incestuous. There are dozens of wonderful shows/director/actors that never get a nomination or a decent review because they are on the outs with that community for one reason or the other. Matilda came pretty much intact from London -- not employing many from the NY community. Kinky Boots is NY through and through. I think it’s fair to think there could be...might be just a touch of sour grapes enfluencing the chatter and even the voters. A Tony nomination and/or award is big business for NY. From a financial viewpoint, if Matilda has a long run a lot of the money goes into pockets in the UK. If Kinky runs forever, a lot of NY people are employed and NY producers make money. My point being that reviews, chats and nominations or even the awards aren’t always the best source for whether I will like what I see on the stage.

Keep in mind, I have never said a word against Kinky Boots. I haven't seen the show. It could be marvelous...probably is marvelous. Could rightfully win every award. I will absolutely see the show on my next visit. I adore Harvey and Cindy. I loved the movie of Kinky Boots. I will welcome your assessment of the production.

My exception has not been that you like one and I like the other -- it was that you attempted to diminish an honest first hand assessment of a show with your "my theater friends" remark and nothing more. I felt that was unfair to the work I put into my post.

Now....lets kiss and make up.

I refer to people I chat with on Fodors about travel as "my travel friends". I refer to people I chat with online as "my theatre friends". When those people are avid and experienced theatre goers, I'm likely to call them my "real theatre friends".

You're entitled to call your online friends anything you want, please don't tell me what I can call my online chat friends. I'll call them what I like, thank you very much.

And for the umpteenth time, despite the fact you insist I'm lying about this, my "true theatre friends" comment was NEVER meant in any way to diminish or even refer to YOUR opinion of the show. NEVER! It merely was meant to distinquish between my friends who don't know a lot about theatre and those who do. My comments weren't referring to your reviews in any way, shape, or form! I realize this is hard for you to believe, but it never once even occurred to me that you had even reviewed the show when I started talking about shows for starrs benefit. I suggest you get over it.

No need to "kiss and make up". I'm not the least bit upset or angry about anything here. I'm just a little tired of explaining and having to justify myself over and over again without being believed. In effect, being called a liar.

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"I don't see anywhere the things that your theater friends supposedly told you when you made your original post regarding Matilda." Huh? You're kidding right? My comment was simply that some of them weren't "overly impressed" with Matilda.

So you honestly don't understand how comments like "I do think that the hype is hurting Matilda. I always feel that when someone tells me something is great and amazing - whether it's a play, book or movie... my expectations are really high and it's easier to get disappointed" and "I enjoyed myself definitely but it was a let down because of all that I heard from London." don't indicate that these people weren't "overly impressed" with the show?

I'm sorry, but we really ARE on different wave lengths if you can't see that. Are you still obsessed with the mistaken belief that "not overly impressed" with a show means they thought it was a piece of crap? It doesn't.

Now if you'll excuse me I have much better things to do than beat this dead and mutilated horse!

"I refer to people I chat with on Fodors about travel as "my travel friends". I refer to people I chat with online as "my theatre friends". When those people are avid and experienced theatre goers, I'm likely to call them my "real theatre friends".

Well...there's the confusion. I only call people "friends" if I know them personally -- as in, I can phone them up and have them 'round for dinner to discuss the issues face to face.

You're entitled to call your online friends anything you want"

I call things I read on-line...."things I read on-line". I don't call the people who posted those things my friends. It is quite confusing with all this Facebook/Twitter friending going on. Hard to know what is personal and what is not.

I apologize for not getting the difference, Patrick. Now I know and will consider that in future. I'm sorry you feel you've been beating a losing horse. I rather enjoy a stimulating conversation. Now that the lounge is closing, where else can one get their blood pumping?

Enjoy your day.

There's even a group on Facebook called "fodors friends". I really don't think all these people have actually met.

I have lots of friends. Many I've never actually met. Many I have. I didn't feel it necessary to explain that some of the people I talked to or with about Matilda are actual friends in real life and some are only online acquaintances. Nor do I think it makes any difference -- but I guess it does to you.

I like a stimulating conversation too, but when you've explained three times that you weren't referring to someone and they still insist you were, well that's what I call beating a dead horse. And you really got me going with your initial insults when nothing I was saying had anything to do with you.

In any case the horse is dead, mutilated, and buried. Please let it lie.

So...I actually may go see Spiderman...

I think it is time to start a new Broadway Banter thread.