14 days in Seattle, Olympic NP, Mount Rainer, Victoria and Vancouver...how best to split time?
Oct 16th, 2003, 12:39 PM
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14 days in Seattle, Olympic NP, Mount Rainer, Victoria and Vancouver...how best to split time?
We are planning a trip for the last two weeks of June next year. We will be flying into Seattle, and will have 14 days in the area after deducting flight time. As always, we try to do/cover as much as we can, but I am not sure if my plan sounds reasonable. Is it enough time to cover all places mentioned? If not, which one(s) should we give up? How many days should we expect to spend in each place to fully enjoy it? Will it be rainy then? And most importantly, in which order should we visit all the places? We will have a rental car, but the whole ferry thing kind of confuses me...Your help is greatly appreciated!
Oct 16th, 2003, 12:52 PM
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In 2002 we spent 9 nights in Seatlle Whistler and Vancouver. We seprnt 4 in Whistler, in in Vancouver and 3 in Seattle.Seattle was my least favorite leg of the trip (but it was still fun). I would consider Whistler and omit Mt. Ranier (its far, out of the way , and just a big mt). In my opinion, Mt Olympic is a long day trip. If I had 14 days I would do the following in this order: 3-4 days in Victoria Island but not necessarily Victoria ( the island is the attraction, not the city). There is onr Ferry closer to Seattle and another closer to Vancouver. 3 days in Whistler, 2-3 days in Vancouver, 4 days in Seattle. You can also plan to spend 1-2 nights around Mt. Olympic You can change the number of days. We went in July-August and it did not rain once. I have given an opinion not knowing if you are young or old , fit or overweight, or mountain or city people. Everyplace but Seattle is outdoor fun. In Seattle you can visit the Boeing plant, 2 wineries NE of the city, Ballard locks (best part of the trip) Pike Market, the needle, the zoo, the acquarium, ferry to bainbridge. Good luck.
Oct 16th, 2003, 02:21 PM
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Yes you could easily do all of the above in 14 days...
I'd start at Rainier which is about 1.5 to 2 hours from the airport and hit the Paradise area for a couple days. There are b/b's etc in Elbe and other small towns on the way up highway 7. I beleive you can even stay at the lodge at Paradise but it's fairly rustic. On your way down, go to Tacoma and take the Narrows Bridge (hwy 16) and over to the Olympic Peninsula and drive up the east side of Puget Sound to the Olympic National Park. You can go at it many ways. If you have time you could go over to the Ocean side and hit the rain forest or just go up Puget Sound to the Port Angeles area and go in there. After a couple of days, take the Port Angeles ferry over to Victoria. You can drive your car on. Do Victoria and then you can take a ferry from Sydney on Vancouver Island (close to Victoria) over to the mainland just south of Vancouver to a place called Tswassen (sp ?). Vancouver is 30 minutes up the road.
Stay a few days and come straight down I-5 to seattle. Finish in Seattle and you're 20 minutes to Seatac from Downtown.
June, its usually not raining but it is Seattle so it's iffy. Usually around 70 to 75 degrees so comfortable.
How long in each. Depends on what you like to do. Hiking at Paradise is outrageous. You can walk from about 5500 feet to 9000 in boots only on snow fields. Up to Camp Muir if you have ski poles and some courage and that's at around 11k. Olympic is much shorter but gorgeous. Less crowded, lots of trails. could camp for weeks if you want. I find Victoria beautiful but very boring. You can take killer whale watching trips on zodiacs which is fun. Vancouver is extremely cosmopolitan and fun. Tons of saltwater, views,restaurants,stanley park, beaches, etc. European feel to it.
Live in Seattle. Great town. Won't run out of things to do.
If you want specific help, let me know. thx. bl
I'd start at Rainier which is about 1.5 to 2 hours from the airport and hit the Paradise area for a couple days. There are b/b's etc in Elbe and other small towns on the way up highway 7. I beleive you can even stay at the lodge at Paradise but it's fairly rustic. On your way down, go to Tacoma and take the Narrows Bridge (hwy 16) and over to the Olympic Peninsula and drive up the east side of Puget Sound to the Olympic National Park. You can go at it many ways. If you have time you could go over to the Ocean side and hit the rain forest or just go up Puget Sound to the Port Angeles area and go in there. After a couple of days, take the Port Angeles ferry over to Victoria. You can drive your car on. Do Victoria and then you can take a ferry from Sydney on Vancouver Island (close to Victoria) over to the mainland just south of Vancouver to a place called Tswassen (sp ?). Vancouver is 30 minutes up the road.
Stay a few days and come straight down I-5 to seattle. Finish in Seattle and you're 20 minutes to Seatac from Downtown.
June, its usually not raining but it is Seattle so it's iffy. Usually around 70 to 75 degrees so comfortable.
How long in each. Depends on what you like to do. Hiking at Paradise is outrageous. You can walk from about 5500 feet to 9000 in boots only on snow fields. Up to Camp Muir if you have ski poles and some courage and that's at around 11k. Olympic is much shorter but gorgeous. Less crowded, lots of trails. could camp for weeks if you want. I find Victoria beautiful but very boring. You can take killer whale watching trips on zodiacs which is fun. Vancouver is extremely cosmopolitan and fun. Tons of saltwater, views,restaurants,stanley park, beaches, etc. European feel to it.
Live in Seattle. Great town. Won't run out of things to do.
If you want specific help, let me know. thx. bl
Oct 16th, 2003, 04:08 PM
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We were in Seattle last June, and our favorite two days were visiting Mt. Rainier and Mt. St. Helens. We stayed at the Paradise Lodge which is a little primitive (no phones or TVs in rooms) but one of those classic National Park lodges. We loved it. There was still plenty of snow on the ground (though the roads were clear). There are plenty of easy trails for hiking around the base of the mountain.
After one night there, the next morning we drove to Mt. St. Helens and then drove back to Seattle. MSH has several really good information centers and overlooks. It was unforgettable. I know it wasn't on your list, but you may want to consider a detour down there.
The only warning about both places: they're both susceptible to fog/low clouds, so you may not actually see the mountain. We never really saw MSH, but seeing the devastation all around it still made the trip worthwhile.
After one night there, the next morning we drove to Mt. St. Helens and then drove back to Seattle. MSH has several really good information centers and overlooks. It was unforgettable. I know it wasn't on your list, but you may want to consider a detour down there.
The only warning about both places: they're both susceptible to fog/low clouds, so you may not actually see the mountain. We never really saw MSH, but seeing the devastation all around it still made the trip worthwhile.
Oct 16th, 2003, 07:15 PM
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Hi, amyx!
How about splitting your time between the US and Canada?
There is plenty to do on the Olympic Peninsula, depending on your interests. You could easily spend the entire week there. Seattle is interesting, a couple of days at least. Then you could make one day trip to Mt. Rainier.
In Canada,Victoria merits one day, but Vancouver Island deserves at least another day. And Vancouver is wonderful to explore as well.
As for Whistler, it is a ski resort and not that interesting in the summertime. The drive up on the Sea and Sky Highway is stunning, but one day at Whistler would be sufficient.
If you are interested in vineyards, there are some wine producing areas more inland. Please let us know what you are interested in doing and the Fodorites can better answer your questions.
Have a great trip! Beautiful area! Love Vancouver!
Jason
How about splitting your time between the US and Canada?
There is plenty to do on the Olympic Peninsula, depending on your interests. You could easily spend the entire week there. Seattle is interesting, a couple of days at least. Then you could make one day trip to Mt. Rainier.
In Canada,Victoria merits one day, but Vancouver Island deserves at least another day. And Vancouver is wonderful to explore as well.
As for Whistler, it is a ski resort and not that interesting in the summertime. The drive up on the Sea and Sky Highway is stunning, but one day at Whistler would be sufficient.
If you are interested in vineyards, there are some wine producing areas more inland. Please let us know what you are interested in doing and the Fodorites can better answer your questions.
Have a great trip! Beautiful area! Love Vancouver!
Jason
Oct 16th, 2003, 08:24 PM
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Thanks for all the responses already! Here's my temporary plan based on your suggestions and more research:
4 days in Seattle (more time here due to family event)
2 days in Mt Rainier
1 day in Mt St Helens
4 days in Olympic NP (rain forest/coast first and then Hurricane Ridge area)
1 day in Victoria (ferry from Port Angeles)
3 days in Vancouver
(We actually have 15 days!)
The itinerary is heavily weighted in the national park area, as you can tell, because we love nature and hiking. Any tips or feedback? I do have one more question. Do we need to take the ferry from Victoria to Vancouver? How much time should I expect to travel from Victoria to Vancouver? Thanks for all the help!
4 days in Seattle (more time here due to family event)
2 days in Mt Rainier
1 day in Mt St Helens
4 days in Olympic NP (rain forest/coast first and then Hurricane Ridge area)
1 day in Victoria (ferry from Port Angeles)
3 days in Vancouver
(We actually have 15 days!)
The itinerary is heavily weighted in the national park area, as you can tell, because we love nature and hiking. Any tips or feedback? I do have one more question. Do we need to take the ferry from Victoria to Vancouver? How much time should I expect to travel from Victoria to Vancouver? Thanks for all the help!
Oct 16th, 2003, 08:35 PM
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amyx,
Your plan sounds great. The only thing that I might change is cut a day from the olympics and add a day to Vancouver Island. You will be taking the ferry from Port Angeles to Victoria, then will take another ferry to Vancouver. (Tawassen) I think that you'd enjoy a day -or two- exploring some territory outside of Victoria on V. Island; lots of gorgeous scenery and coastline.
Your plan sounds great. The only thing that I might change is cut a day from the olympics and add a day to Vancouver Island. You will be taking the ferry from Port Angeles to Victoria, then will take another ferry to Vancouver. (Tawassen) I think that you'd enjoy a day -or two- exploring some territory outside of Victoria on V. Island; lots of gorgeous scenery and coastline.
Oct 16th, 2003, 08:41 PM
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Good that you are including Mt. St. Helens - we were there a couple of years ago and it was incredible as both evidence of nature's destruction and how they have maintained it as a living lab - largely undisturbed to allow natural renewal to occur. Fairly decent visitors' centers - informative without being preachy or commercial.
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Yes you will need to take the ferry from Victoria (at Swartz Bay) to Vancouver (Tsawassen).
It all gets very confusing because Victoria is on Vancouver Island but Vancouver the city is on the mainland (directly - almost - north of Seattle).
The ferry sails from Victoria to Vancouver in slightly more than one and a half hours (1hr 40 min or so).
If you are traveling in June, I would recommend making reservations for the ferry (a day ahead). It costs a little bit extra ($15 CAD) but at that time of the year the ferries can be very busy, so it is worth it.
By the way - Vancouver Island is worth more than one day. There are hiking trails along the south and west coast through the rain forest with views to the ocean, plus if you love nature don't miss Pacific Rim National Park on the west coast of the island (forest and seashore walking and hiking, it feels very remote, but there are some very nice restaurants and cozy B&Bs plus a few posh resorts around Tofino).
It all gets very confusing because Victoria is on Vancouver Island but Vancouver the city is on the mainland (directly - almost - north of Seattle).
The ferry sails from Victoria to Vancouver in slightly more than one and a half hours (1hr 40 min or so).
If you are traveling in June, I would recommend making reservations for the ferry (a day ahead). It costs a little bit extra ($15 CAD) but at that time of the year the ferries can be very busy, so it is worth it.
By the way - Vancouver Island is worth more than one day. There are hiking trails along the south and west coast through the rain forest with views to the ocean, plus if you love nature don't miss Pacific Rim National Park on the west coast of the island (forest and seashore walking and hiking, it feels very remote, but there are some very nice restaurants and cozy B&Bs plus a few posh resorts around Tofino).
Oct 16th, 2003, 10:22 PM
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In June the border delays entering the US on the mainland are much worse than those entering Canada. I'd suggest you look at reversing your route - north to Vancouver, then over to Victoria, then back to Olympic NP, then back to Seattle. Make every hour count.
Oct 17th, 2003, 06:01 AM
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Unfortunately we can't reverse the route due to the fixed date of the family event in Seattle. When crossing the border from Vancouver, would late evening be a better time (less delay?) When's the best time of the day to cross the border from the north? Also, is the Northern Cascades NP a must see? Would it be possible at all to squeeze in a visit there in my already tight schedule? Thanks again!!
Oct 17th, 2003, 07:33 AM
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It's just me, but I think 2 days at Mt. Rainier is one too many, and I think 4 days at Olympic NP is also one too many.
If you're set on Mt. St. Helens, which of course is quite a distance south of everything else, I would suggest that you burn one of the extra days I mentioned above by continuing south after the volcano to the Columbia Gorge, and spend a day driving around the Gorge, from Maryhill back through Portland, then continue down the river to US 101 and approach Olympic NP from the south. Even with half or 2/3 of a day (remember very long daylight at the end of June) you can see some spectacular scenery, waterfalls, even the Maryhill Museum, and still keep to your schedule.
I would then use the "extra" day from Olympic NP to return to Seattle at the end of your trip via the North Cascades. Travel east from Vancouver on the Trans-Canada until it junctions with BC Route 3. Follow Hwy 3 east to Osoyoos (this road crosses the Cascades too, but is very different from the US side - gorgeous, but different.) Cross back into the US at Osoyoos (BC)/Oroville (WA), with zilch of a delay, then return back over the mountains on Washington SR20, through North Cascades National Park. This northern version of the Cascade Loop takes an overnight, but it will expose you to an entirely different landscape than you'll have seen before it - "old west" scenery and towns, orchards (where all the apples come from) and Indian country, before crossing "America's Alps" on the NCNP highway. Highly recommended.
If you can't manage all this and are faced with returning into the US on BC99/I-5, keep your car radio tuned to one of the several Vancouver stations that give regular updates on border conditions. Later in the evening (midweek) ought to be easy, it will be weekends and pre-holiday periods that will be the worst, and on that note don't forget July 1 is Canada Day, when every human being in BC has a sudden urge to travel to Seattle for a baseball game or a sale at Nordstrom's. (Just kidding, BCers.) But it's usually a terrible period to cross the main border.
If you're set on Mt. St. Helens, which of course is quite a distance south of everything else, I would suggest that you burn one of the extra days I mentioned above by continuing south after the volcano to the Columbia Gorge, and spend a day driving around the Gorge, from Maryhill back through Portland, then continue down the river to US 101 and approach Olympic NP from the south. Even with half or 2/3 of a day (remember very long daylight at the end of June) you can see some spectacular scenery, waterfalls, even the Maryhill Museum, and still keep to your schedule.
I would then use the "extra" day from Olympic NP to return to Seattle at the end of your trip via the North Cascades. Travel east from Vancouver on the Trans-Canada until it junctions with BC Route 3. Follow Hwy 3 east to Osoyoos (this road crosses the Cascades too, but is very different from the US side - gorgeous, but different.) Cross back into the US at Osoyoos (BC)/Oroville (WA), with zilch of a delay, then return back over the mountains on Washington SR20, through North Cascades National Park. This northern version of the Cascade Loop takes an overnight, but it will expose you to an entirely different landscape than you'll have seen before it - "old west" scenery and towns, orchards (where all the apples come from) and Indian country, before crossing "America's Alps" on the NCNP highway. Highly recommended.
If you can't manage all this and are faced with returning into the US on BC99/I-5, keep your car radio tuned to one of the several Vancouver stations that give regular updates on border conditions. Later in the evening (midweek) ought to be easy, it will be weekends and pre-holiday periods that will be the worst, and on that note don't forget July 1 is Canada Day, when every human being in BC has a sudden urge to travel to Seattle for a baseball game or a sale at Nordstrom's. (Just kidding, BCers.) But it's usually a terrible period to cross the main border.
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Here's my $0.02 worth. Definately try to stay at the lodge at Paradise. Make reservations now or as soon as they will let you. In June the area around the Visitor Center gets absolutely nuts during mid-day, but by early evening all the daily visitors are gone and only over night guests at the lodge remain. You have the place to yourself until late morning. Plus it is light until 10:00PM
Another place that you might want to consider are the San Juan Islands, particularly Roche Harbor on San Juan Island. Get the Presidential suite at the old hotel - Teddy Roosevelt stayed there. Also there is a cool restaurant nearby called the Duck Soup Inn.
Be careful when you are driving through Seattle. All the north/south traffic bottlenecks and creates massive traffic jams.Worse than LA or Chicago IMHO.
Here is the website for Roche Harbor -www.rocheharbor.com
One other thing - we have visited three times in early summer and the weather has been spectacular.
JoeG
Another place that you might want to consider are the San Juan Islands, particularly Roche Harbor on San Juan Island. Get the Presidential suite at the old hotel - Teddy Roosevelt stayed there. Also there is a cool restaurant nearby called the Duck Soup Inn.
Be careful when you are driving through Seattle. All the north/south traffic bottlenecks and creates massive traffic jams.Worse than LA or Chicago IMHO.
Here is the website for Roche Harbor -www.rocheharbor.com
One other thing - we have visited three times in early summer and the weather has been spectacular.
JoeG
Oct 17th, 2003, 11:57 AM
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Can you stand one more opinion? 
Much of our 2002 western adventure was spent in the Olympic Pennisula and surrounding areas. (We also did Banff and Jasper NP's.)
Yes, you have plenty of time, IMO. This is how i'd split the time:
-Four days/nights in Seattle. Definitely see Boeing, Pikes Place and a Mariners Game; its one of the nation's coolest ballparks. The salmon rocks!
-Four days / four nights in Olympic Nat'l Park. See the Hoh Rainsforest, Hurricane Ridge etc. Incredibly diverse Nat'l Park, but four days should do it, IMO.
-Do a whale watching cruise when in the area. We took Capt. Jacks out of Port Angeles, WA and thoroughly enjoyed it.
-Two days / one night at Mt. Rainier Nat'l Park. And definitely stay at Paradise Inn! Its sweeeeet!
-One day max (maybe 1/2 day) for a side trip to Mt. St. Helens. Totally worth the time and effort
-Two days/ one night max. in Vancouver.
-Two days / one night max. in Victoria.
Yes, N. Cascades Nat'l Park is worth it, but only if you haven't been to Banff or Jasper Nat'l Parks. But its quite a hike from Seattle so that would really cut into your time, and i wouldn't chose it over any of the above.
Have fun!
Much of our 2002 western adventure was spent in the Olympic Pennisula and surrounding areas. (We also did Banff and Jasper NP's.)
Yes, you have plenty of time, IMO. This is how i'd split the time:
-Four days/nights in Seattle. Definitely see Boeing, Pikes Place and a Mariners Game; its one of the nation's coolest ballparks. The salmon rocks!
-Four days / four nights in Olympic Nat'l Park. See the Hoh Rainsforest, Hurricane Ridge etc. Incredibly diverse Nat'l Park, but four days should do it, IMO.
-Do a whale watching cruise when in the area. We took Capt. Jacks out of Port Angeles, WA and thoroughly enjoyed it.
-Two days / one night at Mt. Rainier Nat'l Park. And definitely stay at Paradise Inn! Its sweeeeet!
-One day max (maybe 1/2 day) for a side trip to Mt. St. Helens. Totally worth the time and effort
-Two days/ one night max. in Vancouver.
-Two days / one night max. in Victoria.
Yes, N. Cascades Nat'l Park is worth it, but only if you haven't been to Banff or Jasper Nat'l Parks. But its quite a hike from Seattle so that would really cut into your time, and i wouldn't chose it over any of the above.
Have fun!
Oct 17th, 2003, 02:39 PM
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I'm saying stick to your agenda with a little less time in the Olympics and more time on Vancouver Island. The North Cascades Hwy is a beautiful drive but a long one. Some of the suggestions re: Lake Osoyoos, and the Columbia River gorge then north to the Olympic Nat'l Park will have you in the car for hours and hours. They are all beautiful spots but add hundreds of miles to each segment of your trip and all of it in the car! Ditto, San Juan Islands. With limited time, dealing with San Juan Island ferry lines in the summer (and they don't take reservations) eats up precious time. Make that another wonderful trip. You have plenty to do on your agenda.
Also one pet peeve as a Seattle/Washington native: it's Pike Place Market, not Pike's Market, and it is a lively colorful place.
Also one pet peeve as a Seattle/Washington native: it's Pike Place Market, not Pike's Market, and it is a lively colorful place.
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We too are park lovers. Our experience in the area was that two days in Ranier with one or two nights at Paradise was great--rustic rooms but that great fireplace and we had a partial view from our room.
We only had 2 days in Olympic and wish we had more--it was so large that we didn't have enough time on the ground. We especially enjoyed the rain forest with the banana slugs and staying on the coast watching the ocean (didn't get any good sunsets). Would have liked more time up on Hurricane and down by lake.
We thought Vancouver was OK, but the beautiful outdoors kept calling us. It is a lovely drive to Whistler where they have the typical summer ski area activities--biking, hiking, golfing, lift rides, etc. We want to return to ski there.
We enjoyed a stop at Mt Baker--stayed overnight nearby in a motel and enjoyed another mountain before returning to Seattle. We were late enough in the year to see salmon swimming upstream along a hiking trail nearby.
For us, two days were enough in Seattle to see the highlights. Especially liked dinner watching the lights on the harbor with the ferries running back and forth.
We didn't make it to Victoria and Vancouver Island--hope to go soon. The San Juans sounded great, but as mentioned above, the ferry schedule just seemed too restrictive when we had so many other sights to see. Didn't make it to Cascades, though it is also on our list.
We only had 2 days in Olympic and wish we had more--it was so large that we didn't have enough time on the ground. We especially enjoyed the rain forest with the banana slugs and staying on the coast watching the ocean (didn't get any good sunsets). Would have liked more time up on Hurricane and down by lake.
We thought Vancouver was OK, but the beautiful outdoors kept calling us. It is a lovely drive to Whistler where they have the typical summer ski area activities--biking, hiking, golfing, lift rides, etc. We want to return to ski there.
We enjoyed a stop at Mt Baker--stayed overnight nearby in a motel and enjoyed another mountain before returning to Seattle. We were late enough in the year to see salmon swimming upstream along a hiking trail nearby.
For us, two days were enough in Seattle to see the highlights. Especially liked dinner watching the lights on the harbor with the ferries running back and forth.
We didn't make it to Victoria and Vancouver Island--hope to go soon. The San Juans sounded great, but as mentioned above, the ferry schedule just seemed too restrictive when we had so many other sights to see. Didn't make it to Cascades, though it is also on our list.
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Thanks for all the kind responses/suggestions. Even before Kip responded, I did take a quick look on mapquest at Columbia Gorge and N. Cascades (entering from the east.) It WAS a lot of driving indeed. I'd like to skip San Juan as well because I do want to spend enough time in the all the places on my agenda already. And I am going to take the advice of cutting 1 day from Olympic NP and adding one day to Vancouver Island. So here it is:
4 days in Seattle
2 in Mt Rainier
1 in Mt St Helens
3 in Olympic NP
2 in Victoria/Vancouver Island
3 in Vancouver
You guys have been the greatest!!! I am so looking forward to the trip!
4 days in Seattle
2 in Mt Rainier
1 in Mt St Helens
3 in Olympic NP
2 in Victoria/Vancouver Island
3 in Vancouver
You guys have been the greatest!!! I am so looking forward to the trip!
