what to wear and not look like a tourist

Yes, dress all in black and wear a sweater wrapped casually around your neck.

Everyone will know you are American (unless you learn Italian and outfit yourself in all Italian clothes when you get there).

If you want to avoid screaming "American tourist, rob me" avoid giant white clown sneakers, baseball caps, tee or sweat shirts with cute sayings or pictures on them - and shorts in cities. Also - regular blue jeans are not practical - too hot, awful if they get wet and can;t be washed.

(Adult europeans wear shorts only at resorts, beachs or while actually involved in athletic activities. BUT women are allowed to wear cityshorts, but only real city shorts - to the knee, tailored, fitted and crisp/clean with a smart shirt and either ballerina flats or wedges. Check out Glamour magazine for do's and don'ts.)

Women should wear pants, capris or skirts in a nice lightweight fabric with a smart top. Men should wear pants (khakis or similar) and a shirt with a collar (polo shirt is OK).

Both should wear real shoes. Comfy walking shoes for day - but shoes or fashion athletic shoes in a color other than white - NOT running shoes.

I know many americans have a very casuale lifestyle - but if we can afford to travel to europe surely we all must own some clothes that are a little more tidy/sophisticated that we wear to clean the garage or run to the market.

(Sorry to preach - but some of the things we see on tourists in NYC - and men seem to be the worst offenders - are either scary or hilarious - depending on your mood.)

First of all, remember that Americans are not the only "breed" of tourist who will be joining you in Italy this summer- this will be much of Europe's summer holiday season, too. In fact, when I traveled in Italy in July and August last year, there were tons of Italians waiting in the same lines, as well as people from ALL over the world (especially lots of Australians)!

That said, my favorite blending-in technique is always to wear very simple clothing. I prefer black or navy, which I think looks chic and also hides not-so-chic gelato and other stains picked up as the day goes on! I like sleeveless tank-style dresses, to just at or below knee length, with comfortable black sandals of choice. They don't wrinkle and I have found that a one piece dress like that is cooler than a skirt and top. Keep a big shawl for going into cathedrals or to sit in a restaurant or cafe. I also found a pair of black lightweight jersey gauchos that I used all the time, paired with a colored tank top- a little dressier than capris and the elastic waist was a plus in the heat! I wear my plain old watch and the same few pairs of simple small hoop earrings and also only travel with one carry-on bag.

That's what I love about summer travel- true it will be hot and sometimes crowded, but I love not having to schlep winter coats and deal with boots, etc.

Waiting in lines I played a game with myself to see if I could identify where someone was from by how they were dressed- not really! (I hope some others will post their observations about that.)

You will see lots of men wearing shorts in Italy in July, and many will have on tennsi shoes. Nobody will arrest you and you will not get turned away or receive bad service at the vast majority of restuarants.

Prego! nytraveler and NorthShore - exactly the kind of tips I wanted.

I've been taking an Italian class at the local college since January because I think folks appreciate any effort we make to converse in their language. (Perhaps someone will mistake me for a local to ask for directions while I'm there?)

I have a daybag to carry but hesitate to carry anything resembling a purse...
Now what about shoes?

No American running shoes, no baseball caps, no fanny packs, no camera bags.

You are likely to be going to the most touristy areas of Italy so you are likely to be alongside other tourists- American, Asian, European so don't worry about it too much. The locals are more likely not to be hanging out there unless they deal with tourists in their line of work and they just won't care what you wear.

Wear what you like for touring but dress appropiately for better restaurants as you do at home. Italians don't wear much black. Color is their thing.

A few churches will not let you inside in shorts or sleeveless blouses.

Wear what you'll want to see in your photos.

"Italians don't wear much black." posted by "cigalechanta" We have numerous pictures of many Italian women sitting on chairs in the town squares, wearing black. Even if they've been a widow for 30 years they still wear black.

Marycang. My parents were born in Italy. My aunt wore black for her dead child who was a preteen when he died. She died in her eighties, that is the way some of the oldr generations live and believe but modern youth and adults in cities do not embrace those customs.

Wow.....that's all I have to say. I've been to Europe MANY MANY times and always dressed like I normally do in the US. Shorts, jeans, tennis shoes......backpack. Never been hassled, never been robbed, never been made fun of.

You want to be comfortable. We are going this summer to Germany and Switzerland. People in Germany are telling us we shouldn't wear tennis shoes, if we want to "blend in". That's ridiculous. I wear them....they are the MOST comfortable shoes for all the walking we will be doing. You've got to be joking if you expect me to wear sandals or such. My feet will hurt forever if I have to do that! It's going to be hot.....so I wear shorts.

The only thing I have run across (which is why I usually carry some sort of long sleeved overshirt in my backpack), is not being allowed in churches in Italy, when your shoulders are showing.

Ok, enough ranting. I just had to get something, because you guys are right. These "what to wear" postings are funny.

Just be comfortable, that's all. Don't worry about buying a whole new wardrobe.

The posts are funny? What I find funny is the claim that white shoes would somehow be more comfortable than other colors-- can someone explain that one?! And what's so comfortable about jeans?

And the OP didn't say anything about buying a whole new wardrobe-- she asked what to PACK.

Switch roles. What would an Italian need to do to fit in where you live?

I suggest he arrive with few clothes and buy some at Wal-Mart!! Then keep his/her mouth shut unless he or she speaks English very fluently with very little accent.

I have two Italian friends who can do just that - speak very good English with almost no identifiable accent.

Is there some reason people cannot be comfortable AND well dressed ?

If you want to do as the Romans when in Rome, dress as if you think you may run into a former classmate while out for the day, someone you haven't seen in a long time who knows everyone and will report back. Not what you wear to work in the yard, not what you wear to a wedding. Not your Sunday best (unless it's Sunday or you're on your way to a special dinner out or a party) and not what you typically wear to a little league game. Something in between that you put on when you think you look good.

I think, Suzeeq52, that it is definitely not only possible but fairly easy to look and feel both sophisticated and comfortable. But the American trend the past generation or so is to dress kids like little versions of rock stars = tiny Britneys and jr. thugs - and dress adults like large versions of children = in short pants with a printed t-shirt for any occasion.

For my money, when I'm in Rome or Paris I enjoy the style and fashion. And I like to look good if I can - I'm no George Clooney, so I make a little effort to look like I made a little effort ... This doesn't mean go out shopping before you leave. It just means dress a little up, rather than a little down.

A pair of cotton or light wool slacks are cooler than jeans (and feel a lot more urban than shorts - not to mention more adult) and solid, well-soled leather shoes are every bit as comfortable in a day of walking on stone streets as any sneakers or runners.

For women, a skirt or dress is cool, from what I've observed, and comfortable. They look comfortable, anyway. With those streets, I'd nix heels except for an event. But there is a world of shoes between heels and REeboks. (Also, very thin-soled shoes seem like a recipe for disaster - but for short strolls near the hotel in the evening ... well, you know your tolerance.)

Nytraveler, I'm so happy I ran across your response. I just bought just-below-the-knee "city shorts" from Banana that I love. I was unsure whether to bring them on my trip to Italy in May, but now definitely will! IMO I think they are dressier than jeans.

Thanks for posting this, Suzee. Maybe it's just me, but I love buying 1 or 2 new things for any special vacation.

I travel with black pants made by Royal Robbins. I love them - they wash up great in sink and usually dry overnight. They look nice and are very comfortable. I have listed the royal robbins link as well as Rei. I apologize for the bad link instead of translating into some other format like posters do -- don't know how - just want to get info to you.

I also had luck calling the Royal Robbins Outlets that are listed on their website and getting two pair at $45 each rather than $65 - and they weren't "seconds" or poor quality, just must have been overstock.

http://www.royalrobbins.com/product_details.aspx?ItemCode=34428&Sub_Cat_ID=20&sp=N

or http://www.rei.com/product/706787

Oh shoes? I highly recommend Josef Seibel -- I have several pair and they are extremely good walking shoes and don't look clunky (imho). I have both sandals and shoes and both are comfortable and classy looking. Be sure to try them on as opposed to ordering on-line - I have found each style feels a little different so you will be better off trying on several to find what suits you best.

Nothing shouts "tacky tourist" attire louder than that godawful belly/fanny pack

I had to chuckle reading this post.
My husband and I just returned from Paris where we had glorious weather.
But the sun sometimes bothers my eys (even with sunglasses) so I often wear a visor if I'm going to be out in the sun. I think I was the ONLY person in Paris wearing a visor but I was comfortable! I probably got a few funny looks but I was okay with that.
As far as shoes go, definitely go with whatever is most comfortable for LOTS of walking!

LMAO about the fanny pack! I'm taking my sister and niece to Europe this summer and I bought them cute Tumi over the chest type small purses for their March birthdays to take on the trip..... My sister commented that she had thought that a fanny pack would be handy. I told her she could sure wear one, but that I wasn't walking anywhere with her!!

Hey everyone,

I am a little tenative to jump into such a lively argument, but oh well. I personally do not care what I look like over there when it comes to being a tourist, but I would prefer to not look like a slob. For the most part I will be wearing polo shirts and jeans, although I am bringing two pairs of shorts (long cargo type ones), a pair of nice khaki's, and a nice woven dress shirt for the fancier restaurants. As for shoes I have a pair of Ecco sandals (ones specifically picked for comfort), and a pair of brown 'fashion sneakers' that are comfortable. I'll stick out as a tourist as I'm white as a ghost regardless of how much sun I get, but will I have any issues?

Just curious as I didn't see polo shirts mentioned up there.

Thanks,
Shawn

Shawn, I'm sure you will look quite spiffy and will have no problems and a super trip. Your wardrobe choices sound just fine

For summer in Europe I bring one 24" roller suitcase. I pack things like cotton or linen capris, knee length dressy shorts, solid-color cotton t-shirts, sleeveless button-down blouses, 2 comfort sandals, one pair of (the dreaded) white sneakers, hat, sunglasses, etc. I hate dresses or skirts but some women find them handy.

This thread has been very informative for someone who has never done international travel. For me it comes down to being comfortable and being yourself. Otherwise are you really going to enjoy your travels? I live in a very humid hot climate and I am not about to go out and spend money on a new wardrobe to just fit in for a few days out of my life somewhere else. To each their own.

first trip to italy, leaving june 25th. i am planning on bringing a couple of pairs of capris, a couple of loose flowing skirts, 1 pair of shorts and a pair of jeans. as to shoes it's teva sandles, sketchers mary janes and new balance walking shoes. hoping i look good but i know i'll be comfy!

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Nothing's more important (imo) than shoes and sandals that are broken-in and comfortable.

Suzee, use common sense. If you want to be comfortable and blend in in Rome wear a habit.

St Cirq, LOL

But make sure it's designed by Balenciaga.

I once took what I thought were very comfortable, broken-in shoes to Paris, but apparently they were TOO broken in, because I developed such terrible heel pain that I could barely limp out of bed in the morning. Had no choice but to buy athletic shoes, but at least they were black and bought in Paris! I've now discovered Pumas, which are lightweight, come in all sorts of colors, and are incredibly comfortable.

About dressing in a habit in Rome - NOT a good idea! My sister used to be a nun and said the Italian men were awful towards anyone wearing a habit! My other sister said that many or most of the Italian women wore the tightest pants imaginable, often white, with thongs (obviously) underneath, plus very high stilettos. This was 2 years ago. Maybe you won't want to dress like the natives, after all! I've never been there myself, but was able to spot the Italian women anywhere in Europe after that description!

I read this post earlier ...and now I am back. Couldn’t get it out of my head. I agree w/ tms99. I have been to Italy many times, I am American. I travel w/ my family, 7 more Americans. We wear tennis shoes (or whatever they call them now) my brother in law even wears a big straw hat because he is extremely light skinned and burns easily. And we have a fabulous time!!! I can't imagine doing the type of walking we do and distances (We walk from one end to Rome to the other) with any other shoes. I would love to look like the Italian women but I won't even though I am 100% Italian. Because I am American. I have had no problem with people being so. Some of these posts make sound like there are Italians’ at every corner ready to rip you off. Use common sense like you would in any other large American city. I have met nothing but kind people on all my experiences, and see all types of groups of foreign visitors looking as they should, foreign. So in short, make good choices, wear good walking shoes and enjoy the people they are marvelous and can help make your trip even better!

Thank you for interesting replies to my question!

Bettina222, we were in Paris at the same time, and I can testify that there were therefore at least two people wearing visors! I even searched out a black one to take with me, since I couldn't imagine going without because even at home my eyes hate the bright sun. It was wonderfully helpful in the sunny weather we had, and the beautifully manicured crushed-rock paths and plazas reflect an awful lot of brightness. I imagined that I got a few looks, but since I was also wearing a cool black top or a crisp white tailored shirt, black slacks, and my endlessly wonderful Skechers Biker Step-ups (mary janes that I discovered before this trip), as well as a colorful scarf, I didn't feel too awful about how I looked. And, most important, I was comfortable enough to enjoy everything.

The last time I was in Italy in mid summer, I was standing in a small garden in Verona wearing a cool, lightweight, sleeveless, black dress with a small white print, mid calf length, and simple comfortable sandles. A young couple approached me and in very slow and clear English asked me for directions. When I replied they thanked me and raved about my perfect English. I thanked them and then told them that I was from California. We had a good laugh. I hate looking like a tourist and there are times when I do, I guess that wasn't one of them. I agree with the previous suggestions--simple and plain--black, white, bone--no big white tennis shoes, and when dressing up the same rules apply BUT don't forget the stylish scarf. Have a fun time--BMK

Randola, I really would ditch the jeans. They'll be heavy, hot, take up too much room in the suitcase and if you're there long enough to have to wash them, take too long to dry. Even my daughter has given up jeans in Europe. Not worth the effort.

Reading through this thread, I am again amazed how some people worry so much about dressing as a tourist. Some of the details here make me imagine that maybe 10% of the entire vacation is "lost" on clothes -- "how I am going to dress today?" "Somebody looked at my shoes; maybe I should go back to the hotel and change them." "I'm wearing blue and other people are wearing yellow; I'm never wearing blue again!" "Those people look so comfortable in shorts -- maybe I should have brought some."

Americans! Europeans identify them because of their size! BMI? Age? Economic strata? Educational level? Occupation? Fitness level? Actually few people are concerned with how others look...Do a personal evaluation or buy a style evaluation. A friend (female) takes self pictures of herself and then makes changes!

TMS99 -Have you ever thought that dressing just as you do in the states while in Europe -- ie for your own personal comfort embarrasses other people, and causes them to be uncomfortable? This sort of American atitude is interpreted by Europeans as parochial and selfish.

Dressing beautifully is simple, and not as pricey as it needs to be. Suzeeg52 -- Wear Linen. It will wrinkle, but it is meant to. And is the coolest and most elegant option. MaxMara, for example, has a wonderful linen dress this season that should be in the sales by the end of June, and therefore, fantastically affordable.

I can never understand why people dress differently when they are on holiday.

On the beach, you wear beach clothes and in a city you wear what you would wear in a city at home. You will probably be walking more than you normally would, but there are lots of nice comfortable shoes and walking sandals around.

If you walk around Paris or Rome wearing shorts, especially if you are broad in the beam;if you wear a baseball hat and are over the age of 15, and if you have a face like a suet pudding with currants for eyes you won't look like a tourist, you will look like a prat.

There's nothing wrong either with looking like an American. Just try to look like a smartly dressed American.

How not to look like a tourist even wearing touristy clothes;

1 Do not stare at maps for hours
2 Do not have three camera's hanging around your neck, keep a tiny one in your pocket.
3 Do not stare at the locals even if their behaviour appears odd
4 Do not argue with your partner in public even if neither of you has a clue where you are
5 Walk next to one another not one behind the other
6 Leave your backpack somewhere safe.
7 Whisper rather than shout
8 Don't hold the local currency up in the air to get a better look.
7 Do not walk around smiling at the locals in an attempt to appear friendly, they can see right through you!

I need more help where? if you want to look like a local in Milan then diet for a year, spend all your money on a private buyer and spend the rest on clothes then you might just pass for a local.

Naples, dig out some old jeans and a leather jacket. 'em thats it

This thread about ”not looking like a U.S. tourist” and the recent related one about ”hiding your nationality” obviously strike a nerve.

As an solo American traveler in Europe over the past decade, I’ve discovered that whatever self-consciousness I’ve felt when in France, Italy, or Spain is an outgrowth of my ego: Too many natives must be looking at me and judging me to be an oafish outsider.

But, the overwhelming majority — say, 99.9% — aren’t, because they don’t really care. They’re getting on with their lives, and all they really want — if they had the time to think about it — is for tourists to refrain from acting like a jackass in their country.

If you’re trying too hard to look native and sophisticated when in Europe, you’re probably going to get the unwanted attention you fear.

<<all they really want — if they had the time to think about it — is for tourists to refrain from acting like a jackass in their country.>>

I think that the OP and others who are interested in the question are to be admired for at least being sensitive to the idea that they MIGHT want or need something different from their day-to-day wardrobe. I don't have any clothes or shoes that I wear only on vacation, but I do have plenty of things I'd probably never pack for one. When you're used to living out of a closet or two, it takes a little discipline and savvy to live out of a 22" bag.

It easy for

(continuing)
It's easy for a regular traveler to find the questions of 1st timers naive, but supposedly this forum will be a place naive questions can be asked without ridicule - and the wide variety of answers show that there is no hard and fast rule - each traveler finds his or her own way. In time each traveler does. And then the traveler across the aisle might be thinking:
a) what a yahoo that guy is!
b) what a snob she is!
c) I can't wait to get to that osteria again and taste the pizza with truffles ...

I agree with you, wanderful, just like a guest in your house, you want a guest in your country to behave like a guest and not a jackass!

The problem seems to be that there is a difference of opinion as to which of our countrymen are the jackasses ...

My wife and I have travelled extensively and I can assure you that in places jam-packed with tourists (Paris, Rome, NYC, Toronto, London, Barcelona, Berlin, Sydney), people will not care about you. You are one tourist in a sea of 2 millions of them! They don't care if you wear Dolce&Gabbana, Perry Ellis or a "Have a wonderful day" t-shirt.

It does not matter how hard you try, you ARE A TOURIST!!! If you ever go to India, will you want to wear a salwar kameez and ask for a sindoor to be applyed on your forehead? Of course not!

And at home, do you spend your days looking at people wondering if they are or not tourists? Of course not. Same goes for Romans, Parisians and Berliners. Just be respectful of individuals, beliefs and traditions everywhere you go. You are only invited in their country.

Travelingmad, I always feel a bit envious when I see tourists. I work in downtown Dallas. At lunch time, we'll see folks in the restaurants in their shorts and t-shirts, who have probably been to the Kennedy sites, or maybe the aquarium. They're all comfy and on vacation, and I'm in a suit and heels and have to be back to the office in 30 minutes. I guess if they wanted to "blend in", they'd wear a suit and heels, but how silly would that be?

I dress the same as I do anywhere else. That being said (& I am a shorts & t-shirt guy nearly year round)I have been mistaken for other nationalities many times. One thing I always try to do is either: a)wander & not care if I get lost or b) try to figure out where I am going so as not to be obviously looking lost. A certain amount of confidence will serve you better than any outfit you could purchase.

<do you spend your days looking at people wondering if they are or not tourists?>

I don't have to wonder, it's easy to tell tourists. As others have mentioned, they are dressed casually and having fun in downtonwn Seattle while the rest of us are going to work! Often street map in hand.

Missypie, I agree! I work in downtown Houston and when I see anyone dressed casually, I know they are on vacation! And it only makes me wish I was on vacation, too.

Yeah, and in downtown New York you can tell some of the tourists at a glance, no matter whether they're dressed casually or not. And some tourists you dont' see right away because ... maybe they look like New Yorkers, which is a wide category, believe me.

In all the declarations about what to wear, the fact is that it also depends on what kind of vacation you plan to have. If you're backpacking and staying in hostels and eating mostly street food, picnics and an occasional tavern meal, that's one thing. If you're staying in a pricey hotel, traveling with perks like "The Admirals Club" lounge, eating in better restaurants and the occasional tavern meal ... that's something else. My trips are firmly in the middle range.

People who say "what you wear doesn't matter" and then list the only things they wear and fashions they absolutely won't wear make me laugh. Of course it matters, outward appearance matters - you've chosen your destination at least partly on outward appearance of the landscape, the architecture, even the people.

Many folks agree that the individual should dress the way they do at home, and dress for comfort. I say also consider dressing for the experience you want to have. If you want Paris or Rome to reveal all their romance, history and beauty to you, consider that they are not the Grand Canyon or an amusement park or Yosemite or even Austin. All great places to visit, and all suggest a certain kind of dress.

In a nut shell, flip flops are as out of place at the opera as is a tiara at a ballgame. So, again, pack for the trip you plan to have - but there's nothing wrong with understanding that every trip is not the same.

And that is why I have to "help" my husband pack. He literally was going to bring the same clothes to Rome that he wore at Disneyworld the summer before.

"I say also consider dressing for the experience you want to have. If you want Paris or Rome to reveal all their romance, history and beauty to you, consider that they are not the Grand Canyon or an amusement park or Yosemite or even Austin. All great places to visit, and all suggest a certain kind of dress."

Well said, Tom!! I think you captured it perfectly!!

I really like what Tom says. He usually makes so much sense.

<do you spend your days looking at people wondering if they are or not tourists?>

I don't try to guess who in my town is a tourist because no tourist in their right mind would waste their time here! And when I'm a tourist, I don't try to guess nationalities, but I have found that the gosh-awful t-shirt/shorts/torn jeans people always seem to be American. But then I think too many Americans dress horribly no matter where they are.

<Is there some reason people cannot be comfortable AND well dressed ?>

AMEN--And it can't have anything to do with money. I have a very well-dressed friend who gets all her clothes at Goodwill.

I have just joined Tomassocraccante's devotees. I think he summed it up perfectly...Also, I would just like to tell "travelingmad" that I wish I had the guts, when on the go, to wear a Salwar Kameez, the most comfortable hot-weather clothing, ever invented by woman.

I think ( this would be a good posting) that we all have special expectations when we travel, especially when the trip is planned over a long time and the destination one that generates all sorts of expectations. We play with the idea of minute or momentous changes and yes, clothes are important and fun - who has not once- bought, on the eve of a trip, something that he or she would never have though of wearing at home, because it was fun and just right for that potential new persona?

As many have said, most of French/Italians/etc..will not, when push comes to shove, pay that much attention to us. But, have you never wished that the huge guy with his cameras, dubious T-shirt, hairy legs popping out of well-worn too short-shorts and a voice you could hear al the way back home, was not standing between you and the Trevi Fountain?

Hello,

You live in the USA and not Mars and whilst I agree that American fashion is not great, (I have been twice and have travelled up the east coast), I feel that you should really wear what you want to. You are going to a big city and people are not really going to be very interested in you, you are there on holiday, so what, these Europeans are carrying on with their everyday life (if you see what I mean!).
Additionally, as a tourist you obviously should not advertise your bling, but you are not going to a crime capital, you need to take the same amount of care as you would normally.

Hope this helps.

Trust me...they'll be more than happy to take your money in Europe regardless of what you wear.

Do you really think they care about your travel wardrobe? Give them more credit than that.

You may carry your own ill-conceived notions with you when traveling but don't presume the rest of the world agrees with them.

Be courteous and respectful and you'll have a great time.

This thread is quite something, really.

Here's my take at being a psychologist (yikes!) Maybe, deep down, we don't want to be identified to the guy/girl who dresses with clothes we believe are tacky and would like wear the clothes as well as Italians and French! And look as good as them too And if we realize they are from our country, then!

I know I could not - my belly restricts my choices in clothing! (God I have to loose weight...)

...oops I was not done editing my previous post!

Anyway, I'd like to see the people who urge us to dress as locals to visit the Ethiopia's african tribes as some of them practice disfigurement and facial scarification..... What? Not looking like a tourist is only good for European countries? C'mon!

Agreeed - dressing "like" the locals is part folly anyway - though in the "western world", which now includes eastern Europe, Japan, etc, we are basically in the same ballpark, if playing different games. Sometimes fashion and the larger culture seem boringly similar from continent to continent. When we travel, I think we're hoping for something "else."

On the other hand ... I enjoy meeting local people when I travel. I actually DO want (some of) them to notice me, to have conversations, a drink, hear recommendations for what to do tomorrow, sometimes even begin a friendship.

And I have to admit, being single, it remains part of the strategy.

As the old saying goes, "Clothes make the man." (or woman) That said, I don't think anyone wants to 'pretend' that they are a local in Rome or Paris, but only want to blend in and be comfortable. And as the last poster pointed out, it's fun to meet new people, start conversations, etc. I think that wearing a bright green dress in Paris while surrounded by subdued urban sophisticates is ok if you look great and feel great. Wearing scuzzy clothes and looking sweaty and unwashed is definately not ok. My first trip to England many years ago I was embarrased by the American tourists at the changing of the guards. Yes, it was hot but why look like a slob? They looked like they were wearing all of their oldest throw-aways. No, we can't go through life worried about what others will think of us (perhaps because we're not in head to toe Prada) but that's really an extreme. Yes, it is possible to be comfortable, look nice and be stylish if you choose and still have money left over to have a grand trip. Cheers, BMK

Okay, now I'm totally busted . . .

"On the other hand ... I enjoy meeting local people when I travel. I actually DO want (some of) them to notice me, to have conversations, a drink, hear recommendations for what to do tomorrow, sometimes even begin a friendship. And I have to admit, being single, it remains part of the strategy."

Oh, tomassocroccante, you are perceptive!

I've posted this before, and I guess I'll post it again here: my husband wears the typical tourist uniform - blue jeans, white athletic shoes, and hideous red and blue polyester windbreaker from Sports Authority. On last trip (to Italy) he was always spoken to in French, first. Only after we identified ourselves as American did they switch to English. My theory is, he looked like how French tourists dress in Italy.

So why compare yourself to Europeans who are working/attending school/whatever, when you are a tourist? Why not compare yourself to European tourists? I think we would all feel better about our jeans and athletic shoes if we did. Trying to dress like a local who is not on vacation - when you are a tourist on vacation - is over-dressing to me.

(Of course, I'm talking about casual sight-seeing, not dining in a 4-star restaurant or visiting the Queen).

Exactly. Your description of your husband does sound exactly like a French tourist outfit.

If you forum shop long enough you will always get the answer that you seek.

Its not a matter of looking like a tourist or not. Its not a matter of looking american or french or whatever. There are bad dressers all over the world. Some of the worst dressers I know are French and Italian men. Its all to do with style.

If you want to look stylish choose your clothes accordingly. If you want to be comfortable chose your clothes accordingly. These are not mutually exclusive, but in some peoples minds or wardrobes, they appear to be.

I have skin that easily burns and have had skin cancer twice so I always pack an Eric Javits Squishy straw hat. It rolls up so you can have it in your bag that you carry around town and packs easily. A bit more fashionable than a visor.

Now that the true motivation is out, suzeeg52, hunt down that Max Mara and have a wonderful time. You will even be in Italy during sales so can shop there. With VAT back even on sale merchandise, it won't be overly prohibitive. Good luck. (I found my lovely, well-mannered,foreign-husband after many wonderful solo trips -- I often stayed in Rick Steves recommended places and found other interesting solo American travellers to spend time with as well - if you're in Rome, highly recommend Nicholas Inn -- American Melissa met her Italian husband and never returned home; she'll orient you and recommend places ot go out for the evening)

I'm with tomassocroccante - I'm not close to being a George Clooney, but I still like to make the attempt to look good. I'm one of those who likes to blend. I've got no problems being identified as an American, and it's not because I'm afraid of being mugged. It's because I like European styles, and I like the fact that people take the time to look good.

It's about being part of the life, rather than a voyeur taking pictures of people in the life.

That, and I remember one awful night when I arranged to go to the ballet with some Americans I met at a hotel in Mexico City. They showed up wearing tevas, t-shirts, and cargo shirts. They weren't allowed in the theater, they made a big fuss about it, and I - loyal to the end - tried to pretend that I had never seen them before.

I can see it, surfer.

Yes, easily. I'm never mistaken for an American-wear black, beige, white, creme-(well fitting, that's the key) carry a stylish tote, and wear good costume jewelry, choker necklaces, earrings, stylish shoes that are comfortable-lightweight linen/cotton jackets in the colors above-you'll have no trouble fitting in at all.

Girlspytravel---You can pack for my next trip. BMK

With all the replies, I'm surprised that nobody mentioned that what you wear also can be taken as a subtle respect (or lack of respect) for the country you are visiting! When somebody doesn't dress appropriately, it can mean that they don't care. That creates the "ugly American" image. Dress nicely and they will think more of you and you may even be a good will ambassador for the U. S. at the same time.

Nobody has mentioned it, because we are not talking about visiting African tribes here. Like it or not, everybody in the Western world wears more or less the same clothes.

As a matter of fact, my daughter went to Bangladesh as the guest of a professional colleague.
As soon as she arrived, she bought several suits of salwar kameez.
Naturally, she still looked like a Western woman but she said that she was cool and comfortable. Local people know how to dress for the climate, physical and social.

<<Local people know how to dress for the climate, physical and social.>>

Well said.

Quit talking on your cell phone in restaurants with that "American Accent."

As to the question of 'Who cares if I look like a tourist?' - the key point is that if you look like one, you will be treated like one: someone who just got off the bus or turnip truck and hasn't a clue. Look like an expat that's living in that location (i.e. dress carefully in real clothes) and voila, you are welcomed as a local, unhasseled, treated with cordial respect and generally speaking, will have a more "authentic" time. You will become a traveller, not merely a tourist. One of my personal thrills is walking into a small cafe in Rome to be greeted with "Salve!" - the ancient Latin traditional Roman greeting, rather than even the "Buongiorno" extended to visitors. Secret: Wear immaculately fitted, carefully tailored (check the outfit in a full length mirror before packing it), low-key classic clothes in a neutral color, very few very carefully selected accessories, good quality shoes and handbag, neat hair. Carry yourself like Audrey Hepburn or Jackie O. And - trust me - the tourists will all be coming up to you, hesitantly asking directions....

And if you are a man - never EVER wear shorts in public except at a resort. Ever. Most civilizations regard grown men in shorts as faintly comical. (I agree, especially if they waddle... Proof? You'll never ever see a local in the things - even Bermudians wear them long and with knee socks, for pete's sake. Too hot? That's what linen or rayon blends are for....

keouac wrote "Like it or not, everybody in the Western world wears more or less the same clothes."

That's true if you mean that the same range of clothes are worn from Japan to Vilnius. But it's a fairly wide range, nonetheless.

Dead horse or no, I appreciate everyone's advice and experience. We leave for our first trip to Paris on Friday, and the vacation I've been dreaming of is definitely not the "shorts-tshirt-and-baseball-cap" variety.

Just a note on the comfort vs. style discussion: I'm much more comfortable when I feel I'm dressed appropriately and in a way that's respectful of my "hosts." Maybe it's ego, or maybe it's just how I was raised, but to me making a little effort to look "put together" when out and about is just good manners. (And I'm not talking about cashmere and pearls here, just something a cut above the yoga-clothes-and-flip-flops uniform that seems to be ubiquitous here in LA.)

This has been great fun reading all of your views. I grew up in Palermo, Sicily......I haven't been back for a very long time. Going back next month. I'm no longer fluent...in fact I can barely speak Italian any longer.

To 'blend in', I would have to buy my clothes when I get there; keep my mouth eternally shut...perhaps be a deaf and dumb mute!! NEVER ever show my personality/manorisms etc.....because I AM an American!!! So perhaps I should just dress comfortably...jeans and my white nike's.

Enjoyed the bit about representing our country......doubt my clothes and manorisms will be of much influence given America's current world approval rating.

Lastly.....Italy is NOT a war zone....those beautifully wonderful people love tourists....just don't have valuables hanging out......just like you wouldn't in New York City. Italy never had the gunslinger days....you know, those that we seem to refuse to give up in the USA.

The tips about clothing in churchs was valuable....thank you.

What do I wear at home? Mostly casual Boss but I have lots of Canali, Armani and, of course, Prada. So what do I take to Italy? Lots of...well, you get the picture. Why would I dress any differently abroad? But I do have a 70s style black woolen pinstriped jacket by Dubuc, our home-grown genius, that screams "I am CANADIAN!" and I wear it everywhere in Europe because no-one has anything like it....

On my latest trip to Venice last month, I was addressed at least three or four times in Italian, on various questions-time, how to get somewhere, which vaporetto to take, etc. and I'm blond, so obviously, someone must think I'm local, or close enough. The same is true in Paris-I can't ever remember being addressed in anything but French unless I happen or happened to be speaking English with someone or reading in English.

And Bunny, "Salve" is used in certain parts of Italy more than "buon giorno" -in Northern Italy they tend to say the latter.

Jim, sorry, but you have an overly rosy opinion of Italians when you say "they love tourists" I'd say they tolerate them, some more good naturedly than others, but love? nope-a lot of Italians can't handle them, refuse to help when there is a problem, and are downright rude. I know how shocking that must seem, but, it does happen to be true.

A 23 year old girl who worked in a gelateria on Via dei Serpenti (an excellent gelateria, btw, that I know well, since I've stayed on that street before) in Rome was stabbed to death in Termini metro station two days ago by two young Roma prostitutes-a horrific crime-happened during the day-she was stabbed in the eye with the point of an umbrella, and it pierced her cerebral vein. No one helped the poor girl, and there were Italians all around-that's being discussed a lot in the papers at the moment-the lack of caring. So don't overdo it on how wonderful the Italians are, go back with more realistic expectations, -otherwise, you're you'll be setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect too much love and you get indifference instead.

Right, Kerouac. I thought of this thread yesterday while I was getting my hair done on rue de Sèvres. A very attractive Frenchman came in for a haircut -- tall, thin, of a certain age, and wearing beige linen shorts.

I'm one of those people who finds the general tone of dress in Italy to be a bit different than in the US. I know there are places where adult men will gop about their day wearing short pants; there are many more places where they just won't. The expression "bella figura" doesn't come out of nowhere - as writer Beppe Severgnini writes in his book of that name (La Bella Figura: A Field Guide to the Italian Mind), "Only in Italian is there an expression like fare bella figura. Think about that. It's an aesthetic judgement - it means "to make a goof figure" - which is not quite the same thing as making "a good impression."

In a town of any size we love to take a passeggiata - the stroll before dinner when people say hello to friends, see how the kids have grown, show off a new dress or piece of jewelry, or today, new cell phone. I don't know about the south, or in a resort town (which would be an exception in the first place), but from Rome north, I don't think you're going to see an adult male out in shorts in the evening - outside of his immediate neighborhood, anyway. Because besides wanting to fare bella figura, adults like to keep a kind of dignity that comes with long pants, a pressed shirt, shined shoes.

As a sidebar, my good friend in Rome always looks put-together, there and when visiting here. (And yes, he does like to get that necktie off asap after work, just like anybody.) But the funny thing, when they visit the US his wife likes to get dress shirts at Brooks Brothers - she seems to like them better than the Italian ones I like so much. And I think she likes that they are different from the prevailing look in Rome. The funnier thing, when they were visiting last time Drea asked me where he could get a caftan. Yes, a caftan. Much to the dismay of his wife, mother and sisters, when he goes to their house at the beach on summer weekends, he never wants to put on pants, but just a caftan over his bathing suit. I'm guessing this is only for wear around the house, as Barbara would not appear with a caftan-wearing husband in public.

Sometimes you cannot help looking like a tourist and I wouldn't bother trying to blend in. I was in Rome in February and the weather was warm 60-65F and I was wearing a sweater or a light jacket. I saw lots of locals wearing down jackets buttoned up. I wouldn't have wanted to blend in.

Wear what's comfortable. I find sneakers are better for walking around all day on cobble stones than shoes, better cushioning. Also, I live in NYC, and no way did Italians in Rome look more 'sophisticated' or whatever than people in NY.

But by no means do I mean NEVER or ALWAYS about any of the above. There are always exceptions - we're dealing with free countries after all.

<<Sometimes you cannot help looking like a tourist and I wouldn't bother trying to blend in. I was in Rome in February and the weather was warm 60-65F and I was wearing a sweater or a light jacket. I saw lots of locals wearing down jackets buttoned up. I wouldn't have wanted to blend in.
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Touche, Anya. Acclimatization means a lot: Floridians feel a real chill at 50 degrees; Alaskans don't put a coat on until it's practically freezing. Back home in Nebraska we were in cars all the time, so most folks need a jacket and a coat and nothing in between. In NYC it seems we need a minimum of about 6 stages and types of outerwear to bridge the changes in weather and temperature. And to bring it full circle, when I visit Florida in February, my sister who lives there wears a sweater while I go in shirtsleeves - it's as cold as it will get all year on her island, but it's the warmest I will be all winter!

'no way did Italians in Rome look more 'sophisticated' or whatever than people in NY.'
It depends where you spend your time in eather city.

tomas, what you say is true. I worked at Brooks Brothers and Mr Bennetoni of Benetton wore our button down shirts and Kahakis as his uniform. His friend, Mr. Dumas of Hermés always wore his jacket and tie. I am a Francophile even thopugh my parents were born in Italy. Good taste is all over in every country. Friends in France, Italy, Here in Boston do wear shorts(long, no tail showing) in their own neighborhood and visiting friends. Common sense, going into plush shops, dining out in special restaurants, you "doll up"

some of you faschist fashionistas are ridiculous.

i'm no american (russian living in canada) but i think this whole "dress to impress" sphiel is ridiculous. who the shit are you impressing, really? julius caesar? oh crap, nevermind. you gotta think of how presentable you look when you run into francesco totti.

give me a break LOL

i paid $160 for my 3 quarter camo G-STAR shorts, and $180 for my white DC ShoesUSA kicks, which are f'n AMAZING.

they're fashionable, they look great and they feel great. why shouldn't i be wearing them?

and what's wrong with baseball hats? what if i feel like wearing a hat? or should i just grease up my hair with gel and walk down the street from Termini station like i'm a catwalk model.

Get real. People are going to wear what's comfortable, not try to "fit it" what others think is cool.

We were in Stresa last September and loved the evening passeggiata.
There were people of all nationalities taking part and everyone was nicely dressed.

"I live in NYC, and no way did Italians in Rome look more 'sophisticated' or whatever than people in NY."

I disagree! I love NYC, now, but I was disappointed to discover that most everyone dressed so grungy. Everyone wore grey. Coming from a smaller town, I was kind of hoping that everyone in Manahttan would look fabulous! I buy off the rack at Ross's, and was better dressed than most.

Italy, now - I met lots of guys who lived with their mothers, couldn't afford a car or a big night out, and yet who dressed like old-fashioned movie stars.

Back to the original post - It might not be Parisian, but I always thought that a nice sundress looked sexy and sophisticated on women. 'Cause Paris isn't about blending in, Paris is about looking beautiful! I stayed in a mostly immigrant neighborhood in the 10e arrondissiment, and even there all the women looked like Naomi Campbell.

"Italy, now - I met lots of guys who lived with their mothers, couldn't afford a car or a big night out, and yet who dressed like old-fashioned movie stars."

Except that he doesn't live in Italy, I would think that you had met my brother.

Last week in Paris, after a long day of walking all overthe city, I came back to my hotel and turned on the TV and started watching a French police drama. I started to laugh when the main character in the show was wearing white trainers/sneakers. Here was this Frenchman wearing the one thing that everyone says not to wear. I thought of the numerous posts on this forum about what not to wear and really it doesn't matter. Wear what is comfortable and wear what you like!

Francesca

Just a moment ago, I passed a co-worker in the hallway. She was wearing a very nice mauve pantsuit in a tweed fabric. On her feet were the famous white sneakers. I suddenly realized the "horror" of white sneakers.

It's not the sneakers themselves, it's what you wear with them. Tweed, polyester, wool, etc. don't really go with sneakers - you might get away with sneakers if they are a close match to the pants color (then they aren't so noticeable), but the white sneakers with a mauve suit just don't work.

Jeans, khakis, etc. do go well with sneakers - even white ones. The styles match.

Bunny continues:

As to the question of "why not be taken for a tourist?"

Because, cheri, you'll be taken for more than that:

1) Prices. When you ask "How much is this?" you'll be given the big/big/big/bucks tourista number -and probably pay it because you'll be so grateful to have "negotiated" a 10% discount. I pay the local price; tourists pay the rent.

2) Service: When you get seated in the rear of the restaurant and given the tourista menu, you'll get the "spaghetti/whatever bolognese", not the fresh menu the chef is capable of doing. You'll pay three times the amount, and get waltzed around the room accordingly....

3) You'll get literally taken for a ride by the cabbies, who have a special 'scenic route' for clueless tourists who don't know it's only a block back to their hotel. You'll get all the "supplements" charged - and none of the cordial chat about the local soccer scores.

4) You'll be hassled in the local markets: "Lady! Lady! Lady! Buy! Buy! Buy!...." and never know the pleasure of a pleasant stroll and thoughtful negotiation.

5) You'll get back on the bus/train at the appointed time (Thank God!, say the locals) and complain about the services, the food, the lack of English, the toilets, the....

I think I've made my point: fit in; don't be an a** on purpose.

Cheers and bonne regards,,
Bunny Hopkins

"The Seregeneti, huh? Where the heck is that?

It's where you end up when your spellcheck is turned off....

girlspytravel wrote:
<<Tomas- sorry, but your interpretation of the Italian expression "da fare una bella figura" or its opposite, "da fare una FIGURACCIA" is not on the mark.
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Cara Girlspy, you have thrown down the hand-stitched goatskin gauntlet, and I shall pick it up. Seeing no need for a second slugfest on this thread, you and I will happily settle for a friendly discussion on just what it was I wrote and whether I got it right!

First, as my post stated, I was directly quoting Italian writer Beppo Severgnini. His author notes on the jacket of "La Bella Figura" state: Beppe Severgnini is a columnist for Italy's largest-circulation daily newspaper, Corriere Della Sera, and covered Italy for The Economist from 1993 to 2003. He is the author of th international bestseller Ciao, America! He lives with his family in Crema, on the outskirts of Milan."

Crema, by the way, is where he grew up. I wouldn't claim to know Italy, Italian culture or idiom as an expert, but I'm satisfied Severgnini does.

I'm not going to tell you that your interpretation of the meaning of bella figura is wrong, for many expressions have varied meanings depending on oh so many variables. You yourself wrote, "it has many meanings," while at the same time saying "my" meaning was off the mark. You wrote, "it is about comportment, about creating a good impression-absolutely", which happens to be what Severgnini said it is not. In the context I think he is saying that it is not MERELY a matter of making a good impression. It is, as you and he say, a unique expression that means, perhaps, making a "beautiful impression" - where beautiful means far more than pretty. Bella figura is not the same as dignity, or self-confidence, nor is it at all arrogant. They have plenty of words for those things. It is something Italian, a concept belonging to the people of Hadrian, Palladio, Michelangelo, Sophia Loren, Ferrari, Armani ...

Severgnini says also that, "we like nice gestures so much we prefer them to good pehavior." You give the example of an indicted person putting on a good show for the media as a sample of bella figura. I would counter that the media wouldn't find the figure very bella at all if it were shabby or overdressed. He wouldn't need a 2000 euro suit, but he'd need to have it "together."

In THE ITALIANS Luigi Barzini gives rest to the notion of some posters here that Italians (whatever may be the case elsewhere in Europe) don't care what you're wearing - or at least that they don't notice. "Nothing escapes their sharp eyes; they draw deductions from every detail: a woman's purchases, a girl's new dress, a new smile on the face of a young man, a strange car from out of town ..." etc. Not that they will tell you. They are observant, not unkind.

Elsewhere Barzini says, "The pleasure of Italy comes from living in a world made by man, for man, on man's measurements." There is no place - Tokyo and Paris included - where beautiful design is more a part of life. It is the country of Olivetti, Fornasetti, Pucci, Gucci, Schiaparelli, Pininfarina, Pelli, Vetri, Venini ... and Italians know this and are PROUD of it!! I don't think Italians judge a person by their dress (in fact, I think they are quite forgiving - more than a lot of people today, including many of the super-casual, to put it nicely) but they do see. And they know what they like, and they like style. They do. It is , after all, one of their major exports.

Look around for ten citations on bella figura and you'll get ten slightly different takes. Not often will LOOKS, including dress, be excluded, however. Fare bella figura, more to the point, is as relevant to how one presents oneself to friends, strangers and relatives as it is to the scene in front of tv cameras. Comparatively few people will be on TV, but everybody has neighbors.

Ciao!!

I just re-read the OP, and there are really just 2 simple questions being asked:

(1) "Yes, we are tourists with cameras oohing and aaahing over the sights, but do you think that there is any way Americans can dress so we can enjoy the "privacy" that locals enjoy?"

(2) "Is there any way I can look somewhat sophisticated AND comfortable?"

Answers:
(1) - No. If you carry a camera and ooh and aah over sights, there is NOTHING you can wear to not look like a tourist. Now, if you don't take any pictures, walk past famous sites as if you have no interest in seeing them for the millionth time, etc., then there probably is clothes you can wear to blend in. But is that how people want to visit a foreign country? Is blending in so important that you miss out on famous sights (they are famous for a reason).

(2) - Yes.

Agh, so much to respond to! I'm loving this thread.

- I think that "not looking like a tourist" and "not looking like an American" are two entirely different things. I have no problems with the latter. I do not, however, ever want to look like I just wandered off the budget cruise boat.

And even though I think southern Europeans, in general, dress better than most Americans, it's not universal. The American white-sneakers-with-jeans looks fine to me, while the European sweater-draped-over-the-shoulders looks much too delicate and fey to me.

- Shorts can be nice, too. I live in a tourist town, and a lot of black visitors (but never the white ones, not sure why)wear nice linen shorts that look very chic. It's the baggy, ill-fitting Bermudas with the belly flopping over the top and the skinny legs sticking out the bottom that do not work.

re, Bunny on Service: "When you get seated in the rear of the restaurant and given the tourista menu, you'll get the "spaghetti/whatever bolognese"

- I forgot about this, and I fully agree! I want local food, not food that has been tamed for an American palate. Even at SE Asian restaurants at home, I've noticed a huge difference in spice levels when I am one haole in a mostly Asian group versus in a mostly haole group.

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Everyone will know you are American (unless you learn Italian and outfit yourself in all Italian clothes when you get there).
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since when is italy in the summer comprised of just locals and americans? of course we see this strange, self-important attitude a lot here on fodor's but it's especially striking when coming from someone who constantly posts about how stupid everyone else is.



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(Adult europeans wear shorts only at resorts, beachs or while actually involved in athletic activities. BUT women are allowed to wear cityshorts, but only real city shorts - to the knee, tailored, fitted and crisp/clean with a smart shirt and either ballerina flats or wedges.
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proves my theory that there is NOTHING funnier than an american trying to teach other americans how to dress, look or act european. priceless. thanks for a good laugh nyt....my sincere apologies if you weren't trying to be funny.

Wow. I think we've got a pretty full spectrum of opinions at this point...

I think that this is a relatively simple process.

1) Make sue that your attire is not insultingly informal. Don't wear a beater around town or to a church, etc.
2) Let your conduct take care of the rest. If you are trying to avoid looking like an American, I would bet that in many cases the reasoning is that you do not want to be associated with the stereotypical "rude American" lot. If your behavior gives people no reason to regard you as rude and they still assume you are because you happen to appear American, that is a reflection of a problem with THEIR attitude.

Don't lose sight of the joys and wonders of traveling because you are are worried about your clothes!

I'm kind of confused as to why looking like a tourist is a bad thing. I will be taking my first trip to London, Paris and Rome in September; I AM a tourist and I AM an American~what's wrong with that? I love to learn about other countries and cultures and find it flattering when tourists to the US ask questions about our country and cultures. My parents recently returned from Rome and proclaimed the Italian they met friendly and helpful despite my dad's perpetual lack of fashion sense.

Okay, that's enough meandering. It's time for the definitive answer on what to wear and not look like a tourist. It's a two-part formula:
1. Wear what you wear at home;
2. Wear it at home.

tenthumbs -
truly, even the great Marco Polo wrote that one should never be embarassed to be a tourist. There are lots of reasons not to "look like" a tourist, all covered and re-upholstered above.

I knew a guy who had been all over the world, and always wore the same outfit, it seemed: a safari jacket, khakis, low boots. He never dressed thus here in the US, just to travel. Paris, London, Japan, Calgary, the Caribbean, you name it. In all his photos he had on that safari outfit. But he never went on safari - and always stopped at the best hotels. I guess his traveling costume gave him a sense of adventure - or just a decision-free packing process!

Rick Steves looks like he has on the same clothes for every episode.

I love all of this discussion and agreement/disagreement not to mention catty responses. Go ahead--ignore ALL the advice--wear huge white trainers and get refused entry to clubs--wear denim and get refused entry to Harrods--wear baggy beach shorts displaying your hairy belly and skinny legs. Go ahead! I dare you! DO IT! And when you return from your European vacation, write this forum and tell us what it was like. I can't wait. BMK

Jim -
Was looking at R Steve's "Best of" dvd on Italy last night, and indeed, he does wear similar if not identical shirts. Reminds me of the old TV westerns: LIttle Joe, Hoss, Adam ... they all wore exactly the same thing every week. In that case it was so they could re-use all the incidental shots of "riding the horse over the ridge", "riding up to the barn" etc.

As Steves biggest target audience is the first-timer or relative novice traveler, he gives tips on these videos. When you see how light he packs, it's easy to understand why he's in those same shirts a lot of the time. And of course, maybe they just decided he'd always wear blue because it looks best on him, or best on video.

Germane to this discussion, RS says that once you've packed light and smart, you don't need to worry about what you're wearing. Instead, he says, think about how you're behaving, and you'll always be welcome. RS is not my all-time favorite travel guide, but he can make a lot of sense sometimes.

I think one of the reasons the "what to wear" question comes up - in whatever context - is that it takes experience to pack one little bag and not wish you had done it differently once you arrive.

I have a friend who lives with the "pack light" philosophy. He has a small closet, a small dresser, and only owns clothes he really wears. Stylish, but not trendy. By the time they are out of fashion he has gotten his money's worth out of them, so he never has a bunch of unworn stuff in the back of the closet. I'd like to be more like that, haven't achieved it yet.

I've read so many of these comments about dressing in Europe that I had to report this passage from a Donna Leon novel (Blood from a Stone) I just read:

Commissario Brunetti: "Yes Signora? Did you see something?"

"There were some Americans here when it happened."

"How did you know they were Americans?"

"They had white shoes and they were very loud."

I live in Texas where I would iimagine the weather is similar to Italy--hot and humid. You would never catch me wearing black in the summer--way too hot. Whites and khakis are much cooler.

Another thought---the locals, more than likely, aren't doing near the walking a tourist is doing.

The dead give-away is not your clothes but the camera, map, and oohing and aahing!!!!

I'd take mostly sleeveless cotton blouses and linen capris w/ sandals.

Man, I hate it when dem damn foreigners come down here in America lookin like touristy outsiders! Euros walkin around in there stupid dark shoes and knit slacks! As soon as they cross that border into this great and stylish US of A, they better put on some white shoes and a Cookie Monster T shirt or I'm gonna be piiissssed!!!!!

A recent thread, which seems to have been expunged, reminded me of this one, which might be of some use to those indecisive about what to wear...

Is it time for another round of "Proud to be a tourist"?

Here is how tourists look: http://tinyurl.com/yfzfjx4