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Old Mar 25th, 2005, 03:47 PM
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What exactly is a Turkish bath (Hamam?)

While researching Istanbul hotels, I have seen on the Empress Zoe website that certain rooms come equipped with traditional Turkish baths. What exactly are they? Is it a transcendent experience?
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In Arabia a hammam is an eastern style toilet. That's a square ceramic plate on the floor with two plateaus for your feet and a hole in the middle for your business. I've been to Istanbul but I do not know what a "traditional Turkish bath" might be. Why don't you ask the hotel and then let us know.
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Rooms have an individual hamam? Sounds very luxurious.

Hamam is a traditional Turkish/Arabic steam bath. You know, you sit there and sweat. And then you wash.

Go to a public hamam (for example Cemberlitas) where you also get washed, dead cells scrubbed off and a brisk massage. Costs something like 15 euros. Separate for men and women. On women´s side masseurs are women.
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The hamam, or Turkish bath as it is alternatively known, stands for more than getting a leisurely bath. It is a rite of the body in which the elements are harnessed to cleansing and purification. It inverts the classical notion of the bondage of the body to the soul and suggests a different metaphysics

The Ottomans perfected the hamam, or Turkish bath which, like the Roman bath, had three rooms: the grand, steamy hot room (caldarium) for steam-soaking and massage; the warm room (tepidarium) for washing with soap and water; and the cool room for resting or napping (perhaps in a private cubicle) after the bath with a cup of Turkish coffee or a glass of tea.

Further, the hamam as a social institution played a key role both in the socialization and segregation of Ottoman men and women (in a manner comparable to the harem). As a public space where social status was relatively fluid and open to negotiation, it helped to sustain the Ottoman Empire for many centuries, and came to a decline only in recent times

The hamam once provided the only avenue of socialization especially to women. In fact it played such a crucial role in the lives of Ottoman women that it is rumored that women who did not receive their biweekly allowances from their husbands to go to the hamam were entitled to a divorce! Stories about young tellaks (male masseurs) turning the head of their customers and providing them with many side benefits are based on real life events...


Today modern Turks may shower in the morning before going to the office, but many still reserve time for a weekly steam-and-scrub at a hamam, a good drying-off with Turkish towels, followed by an hour's relaxation, tea, and conversation with friends--one of life's small but significant pleasures.

It is recorded that there were 4 thousand 536 private and 300 public baths in Istanbul in the 16th century.

I think this information is enough. Here is the hamam web page you canget some pictures.

http://www.cemberlitashamami.com/hamam_english.htm

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Thank you,Sinan! Now that's what I call a thorough response. It sounds like heaven to me!
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Just thought I'd share my experience; the following is copied from my writeup of a trip taken in 2001:
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On our trip in the summer of 2001, my husband and I went in Istanbul to the Cagaloglu Hammam (separate for men and women). His experience was very pleasant-- nice, traditional massage and not very rough. I, on the other hand, had quite an experience!

I was greeted by one woman, who led me to a changing room; then we entered the hammam, where 2 other women (clearly, we were all tourists) were sitting at spigots and just pouring water over themselves. The round room is quite lovely, all marble with a raised slab in the center and faucets on the outside rim of the room. The 3 of us all sat there, naked, for what seemed like ages, just pouring and pouring water on ourselves. We sat there and looked at each other, and shrugged our shoulders; it was a bit bizarre. Eventually, a woman came in to sell us tea....and more time went by before a masseuse came in and took one of the women over to the slab to wash her. Now she was getting a mild pummeling. I sat there, waiting for my turn, and it seemed to take forever. Finally, a HUGE woman, naked from the waist up -- reminded me of my Russian peasant stock-- entered, and took me by the hand, leading me to the raised marble circlular platform in the center of the room, and directed me to lie down on my back. She proceeded to wash me and fold me and treat me much like I was a slab of meat-- it wasn’t exactly pummeling, but it was a weird experience. She then turned me over and scrubbed me. Finally, she led me to the outside circle where the spigots are, and I sat on the floor between her knees, facing outwards, while she rinsed me by pouring cold water all over me. And then she took me back outside, where I was directed to get dressed. Naturally, I was expected to tip her over and above the cost of the massage. One thing I remember is that the cost in dollars was higher than the cost in lire; so when you go, check the price BEFORE and check to see if the dollar or euro fee is different than the lire price.

Now, I can’t say it was a bad experience, it was just an odd one. I’m not modest and I’m used to having massages, but this was a somewhat depersonalized experience being treated as a slab of meat! I imagine that the hammams in a smaller town away from Istanbul might be more intimate; this seemed to be geared toward the tourist. But it was an interesting experience nonetheless. I didn’t have a chance to get to a smaller hammam, but would’ve liked to, just to compare.

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Old Mar 26th, 2005, 02:24 PM
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I'm just curious ,where did you keep your tea money?
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Good question; it was probably placed on my bill, which was paid after the massage. All our clothes are placed in a locker. I don't remember if we were given a key, or it was just locked up for us. I think I had a key, though.
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Thanks for sharing your interesting experience.
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Hi Progol –
I have not been to a Turkish bath in Turkey. However, I think you might have had a real authentic experience and not a touristy one. I had been to public semi-Turkish baths for actual bathing couple of times in very old cities in other countries in the region and I was washed and scrubbed by the strong hands of the lady tellaks. It was a long time ago. They were doing their job. It all depends on who you get. I am interested to see what Sinan says. Sinan seems to have a good handle on Hamams.

I am no expert in Spas but I have been to a few. I stayed in a Spa hotel which was a 5 star spa hotel and one of the best ones too in a central European country. I tried other spas in that region too. The treatments were a lot rougher, varied and depersonalized compared to USA.

We are dealing with different cultures when traveling.
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Hi zbjoon,

If you haven't been in Turkish Hamam I think you are missing alots of fun, WHY because Turkish Hamam in Anatolia (Asian Side) especially NOT TOURISTIC town or city really HAVE FUN if you get to Hamam before some ceromony or wedding that hamam getting more fun then you ever seen in your life time.
SPA or Hamam are different you can not compare between them. I do not know where do you live BUT If you go to Turkey FIND a HAMAM in Turkey NOT IN big city go to SMALL town and Plase share your experience on this forum or you can write me and I can put you though here. You were saying that you've been in SEMI-Turkish Bath. There is also different between Turkish Bath and HAMAM.

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Hi Sinan, I understand there is a difference between a Spa and Turkish bath. It seems the poster Progol was surprised that she was not treated gently by the tellak. I was trying to make a point that the tellak behavior might have been normal and it all depends on who you get.

So, my question is: Is the behavior that Progol experienced normal or just accidental?

I have been to hamams that a tellak would wash and scrub you, and it is hot and steamy. I might have been wrong but from your description it seemed that the Turkish bath had some similarities with the hamams I had gone to.

I don't plan to go Turkey this year but I loved Istanbul when I visited there and I'd like to go back one day. My time was short and I want to visit Turkey more in depth. I will get the info from you then. Thanks!

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HAMAM.....TURKISH BATH.....I think Mr. Sinan has described what hamam is in Turkey. During the Ottoman period, the hamam buildings were built for just to be hamams. According to The Red House dictionary it is - Bath, bathouse, public bath, Turkish bath.....Folks, Hamam is a place a Turk would go, at least once a week, or often to get cleaned. The building consists of a huge dome with round glass sky - lights to allow light. These round glass skylights scatterd around the dome and no are no larger than 15 Cm in diameter. The entire hamam is built of Turkish white marble. Under the dome there is the a large raised platform shaped round, octogaon or hexagon. Usually the boiler is under this section and therefore the platform is quite warm or hot. Around the Platform, there are cubicals, small rooms. When you walk in to a hamam, you have your locker. You are given a peshtamal, thin cotton cloth, as big as regular bath towel. After you get undressed, you wrapp the cloth around your waist and enter in the hamam. Turks are very much conservative in this respect, they would not like to display their front or rear ends. Not like in our high schools locker rooms. Your private parts of your body are your private parts. This piece of cotton Peshtamal, is to cover your private parts at all times when in hamam. First you sit or lay down on the platform. Your body starts getting warm and your skin is ready to be rubbed to get the dirt off. Around the platform there will be small rooms with a fountain, basin and a bowl (hamam Tas). Remember, every piece of interior is build from marble. Basin is carved from a good size of marble. You fill the basin with hot/cold water, cover up your private parts with your Peshtamal and using the soap and Kese, you start washing yourself. Kese is a piece of coarse cloth or embrodery especially made from cotton thick cotton thread for this purpose. There are Tellaks, who will act as masseurs and washers/shampooers. In other words they will massage you on the platform and wash you in the cubical. Once you are done, then you walk out and they will give you dry, clean towels. Immediately you dry yourself, then you are given another set of towels and you sit down for a while, relax and sip some tea. Once you cool down, you get dressed and leave. The architecture of these hamams are very interesting. Now that most homes have hot/cold waters, bath tubs, showers etc., hamams are dying. They have become more touristic attraction. However, in the interior, there are still hamams in some towns.
When the word is "massage" is used, by many of us, it is interpreted differently. Hamams are not places like the massage parlors. I have lived in Finland for 3 years. Almost every house and apartment has sauna. If the apartment does not have a sauna, the building has several saunas that will accomodate for the occupants. Same thing in Sweden. It was not until I lived there, I understood what Sauna is. In a very cold land, they had one room, where the cooking, sleeping, living took place. The children were born in this one room home, they lived in this one room home,they bathed in this one room home and they died in this one room home. It is is sacred place for them. However, when we see these people in post cards or other forms of photos, we interprete differently. For Turks, during Ottoman period, hamams existed in every neighbourhood. Rather than you going to make fire, heat the water in a couldron going through the trouble, you just simply walked down to the hamam with your clean clothes, got cleaned and came back.
One more importance to be mentioned, since the majority of the Ottomans were muslims, in the religion of Islam, if a man had sexual intercourse, he had to get his whole body washed as soon as possible, if not immediately, ritual oblution.
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Thanks for your fascinating responses.
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Hamam is a traditional Turkish bath is known. Im Hamam geht es nicht nur um die Reinigung des Körpers. Hamam is not just about cleansing the body. Ein Hamambesuch ist ein wahres Fest für Körper und Geist. Hamam visit is a feast for body and mind. Hier wird der Alltag in angenehmer Wärme mit viel Seifenschaum und Wasser einfach weggespült. Here, the everyday in a comfortable warmth with plenty of soap foam and water is flushed away easily. Treten Sie ein in unser Wohlfühloase/Hamam und entdecken Sie sich neu. Step into our oasis / Hamam and discover a new you.

Am Anfang stet das Schwitzen und Entspannen auf dem heißen Stein (Göbektasi) zwischen 50 – 70 Grad. At first, the sweat and relax always on the hot stone (Göbektasi) between 50 - 70 degrees.

Eingehüllt in ein Pestemal (Baumwolltuch) geht es in das Hamam . Wrapped in a Waist (cotton cloth) it goes into the hammam. Zuerst nimmt man an einem der freien Marmorwasserbecken Platz. First is to do a marble basin of the free space. Das Wasser wird mit bereitstehenden Kupferschalen aus dem Marmorbecken (Kurna) geschöpft und im sitzen über den Körper gegossen. The water is waiting with copper shells from the marble basin (Qurna) and drawn in the sitting poured over the body. Vom Kopf bis Fuß mit warmen Wasser abgespült legt man sich auf den beheizten Marmorstein, damit sich in der Wärme die Muskeln lockern und die Hautporen öffnen können. washed from head to foot with warm water puts you on the heated marble stone, so loosen up the heat in the muscles and open the skin pores. Das nasse Pestemal am Leib trägt dazu bei, dass der Körper während der Verweildauer weder unterkühlt noch überhitzt wird. The wet Waist in the body helps the body during the dwell neither cool nor overheat.

Nach einer gewissen Zeit, wenn man gut geschwitzt hat, bekommt man ein Ganzkörper-Peeling . After a certain time when you have good sweat, you get a full body exfoliation.

Zu jedem Hamambesuch gehört ein Ganzkörper-Peeling, dass mit einem speziellen fingerlosen Handschuh (Kese) durchgeführt wird. At each visit Hamam is a full-body exfoliation that special fingerless gloves (Kese) is carried out with one. Dabei werden die obersten Hautschichten entfernt und das Bindegewebe durchblutet. Here, the top layers of skin removed and the connective tissue with blood. Die Öffnung der Poren verbessert die Hautatmung. The opening of the pores improves the skin's breathing. Sie haben nach dem Peeling nicht nur eine schöne, reinere Haut, sondern Ihre gesamte Gesundheit wird gestärkt, da Ihre Haut durch die geöffneten Poren viel mehr Sauerstoff aufnehmen kann. They have after exfoliating not only a beautiful, clear skin, but your overall health will be strengthened, because your skin can absorb through the open pores much more oxygen.

Als nächstes bekommen Sie eine Ganzkörperschaummassage. Next, you get a full body foam massage.

Nach der Reinigung der Haut wird der ganze Körper in Olivenseifenschaum gehüllt und massiert. After cleaning the skin of the whole body is covered in olive soap and massaged. Das Ergebnis ist eine deutlich schönere, reinere Haut sowie Entspannung pur…. The result is a much nicer, cleaner skin and relaxation .... Das türkische Hamam, Peeling und Schaummassage ergänzen sich zu einer vollkommen Regeneration von Körper und Geist. The Turkish hammam, exfoliation and massage foam add up to a perfect recovery of body and mind.

Regelmäßige Besuche im Hamam fördern nicht nur Ihr Wohlbefinden sondern auch Ihre Gesundheit. Regular visits to the hammam not only promote your well-being but also your health. Der heiße Stein in Verbindung mit Wasser öffnet die Poren der Haut und entspannt Ihre Muskeln. The hot stones in conjunction with water opens the pores of the skin and relaxes your muscles. Durch die Waschungen werden Schlacken und Giftstoffe gründlich ausgeschieden. By washing waste and toxins are eliminated thoroughly. Ihr Stoffwechsel und Ihre Durchblutung kommen wieder in Schwung. Your metabolism and get your circulation going again. Herz und Kreislauf werden angeregt und Ihre natürlichen Abwehrkräfte aktiviert. Heart and circulation are stimulated and activate your natural defenses. in germany http://www.hamam-duesseldorf.com
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möchte Sie herzlichst einladen, die türkische Badekultur in seiner Vielfallt kennenzulernen. Das Hamam, ein wahrer Wellness und Spa Tempel. Auf 350qm Fläche ist Gastfreundschaft in einzigartiger Atmosphäre erlebbar. Als türkisches Hamam sind wir kein Dampfbad, sondern stehen in der Tradition original türkischer Hamamkultur. Unsere professionel geschulten Mitarbeiter/innen bereiten Ihnen einen angenehmen und unvergesslichen Hamambesuch.

Das original türkische Hamam-Düsseldorf ist ein Hamam zur Reinigung und Pflege von Körper und Seele. Entspannung sowie Kommunikation in wohltuend warmer Atmosphäre sind wesentliche Elemente der Hamamkultur. Die Hamamkultur hat ihren Ursprung im Orient und ist eine Weiterentwicklung der antike Badekultur Griechenlands und Roms. Die türkische Badekultur reicht bereits 800 Jahre zurück. Verweilen, Waschen und Plaudern in den Hamamräumen ist ein Genuss und läßt die Hektik und Alltag vergessen. Im Hamam nehmen Körper und Geist eine Auszeit in milder Wärme und sanftem Licht. Ein Besuch im Hamam-Düsseldorf ist nicht nur bloße Körperreinigung, sondern ein Fest der Sinne, ein komplexes Gesamtkunstwerk im Dienste des Wohlbefindens. Der Besuch eines türkischen Hamams kann das Wohlbefinden erhöhen, Muskelverspannungen entgegenwirken und regt die Durchblutung der Haut an. Die Hautalterung wird verzögert.
Das Hamam Düsseldorf

bietet Ihnen Entspannung, Erholung und Wohlbefinden. Lassen Sie den Alltag hinter sich und genießen Sie den Moment.

Den Mittelpunkt des türkischen Hamam bildet der beheizte Marmorstein. So auch bei uns im Hamam-Düsseldorf. Er ist die Seele des türkischen Hamam. Die intensive Wärme öffnet die Hautporen und dringt tief in die Muskelfasern ein. Mit Hilfe des fingerlosen Handschuhs wird durch Peeling die alte Haut entfernt (Ganzkörper-Peeling) und das Bindegewebe durchblutet. Die Öffnung der Poren verbessert die Hautatmung.

Sie haben nach dem Peeling nicht nur eine schöne, reinere Haut, sondern Ihre gesamte Gesundheit wird gestärkt. Über saubere Poren kann ihr Körper 20% mehr Sauerstoff aufnehmen. Gehirn, Nervensysteme und Organe werden wesentlich besser mit Blut und Sauerstoff versorgt. Herz und Kreislauf sind angeregt, die Muskeln lockern sich und natürliche, körpereigene Abwehrkräfte werden aktiviert. Negativ und positiv geladene Energiefelder erfahren einen sanften Ausgleich. Gönnen Sie Ihrem Körper das besondere Vergnügen. Ein außergewöhnliches Ambiente, geboren aus orientalischer Sinnlichkeit und Schönheit, wird Sie verzaubern wie ein Märchen aus 1001 Nacht.
http://www.hamam-duesseldorf.de
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I visited a hamam in perhaps Sirence. Is that near Ephesus? Now I am forgetting. I'm a woman in my sixties. As described so perfectly above, it was a domed steamy edifice. The tellaks were all male. The process went exactly as here described....they were toweled at the waist. Quite impersonal about the very personal, and they really scrub you all over! However, as female friend had one of those huge half-naked women with pendulous breasts waving over her....and I am eternally grateful that was not my experience.

The bath, including lying on the marble slab for a very long time thinking I might never, ever catch my breath again due to the steam, was followed by a lovely warm olive oil massage.

I was pretty wiped out when it was over, and I had to dress and walk about 15 minutes in the night air back to my hotel.

I doubt that I will do it again, although I think most men would love it. I did it because " when in Rome..."
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