I'm planning a relatively last-minute trip to Paris at the end of March. This opportunity came up a bit out of the blue so I'm planning much more quickly than usual, which means my flight options are a little more limited and are getting more so by the day! My brother is going for work and I'm tagging along for kicks, but need to wait to get the green light from him to buy tickets in case his travel doesn't get approved. Hopefully I'll be able to buy in the next day or two.
In the meantime, of course I'm doing some searching. Right now my best options seem to be either a USAir itinerary for around $815, or a combo Delta/Air France itinerary for about $920. (This is after taking into account too-short or too-long layovers, etc.) With the latter, the overnight from Atlanta to CDG would be an AF flight, and the CDG-ATL return would be a Delta flight. My one experience with USAir in 2007 was okay, in that they got us there and back, but not memorable. I've heard Air France is very good. My question: Would you pay the $100 and enjoy the overnight flight, or is the moral of the story "let's face it: you're in economy class and won't sleep well regardless, so put your money toward something else"? Basically - is AF that much better? If they are, I'd be willing to shell out the money, but as it's a surprise trip the cost is definitely a consideration. If they're equivalent, I'd rather put that money toward experiences.
Thanks in advance for your input!
USAir vs. AF/Delta: Worth the savings?
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What about the timing of the flights? Are they both about the same? Where do you connect with each one? If one is significantly better than the other, I'd pay a little more for it, to save a few hours or avoid a lousy connection. But I'd probably not pay more for AF myself if it departed and arrived at the same time as the USAir flights.
I agree - I don't find AF any better than any of the rest, if you're in economy. I would base the decision on the timing, rather than focusing on AF. I haven't really noticed much difference.
Deciding factor for me would be which one would we have the two seats (only) rather than 3 x 3 x 3 type of configuration?
Also, we paid the little extra fee on Delta last Sept to get the 'comfort' row, with the extra 4 inches legroom and the extra bit you could lean back your seat. The price varies according to timing and availability - we paid about $100 each.
Yeah, I would look at the aircraft and seat plans. I've flown USAir and AF and Delta to CDG, all economy. My favorite flight was on AF but that's because it was nonstop SFO-CDG in 2 x 4 x 2 (I think), and I was on the aisle in one of the two-seat spots.
Another factor (alluded to by Travelnut) is the type of airplane. I prefer bigger planes with two aisles for overseas flights vs say a 757 with only one aisle. You can also look at SeatGuru.com to see what kind of leg room each plane might have on each airline (assuming you can tell the type of plane to be used for each flight).
Agree to look at seat plans of the flights. Of course, then if they switch planes, which happens more than you think, you can get the short end.
Poster Denisea might have an opinion. She had a rather bad experience with AF in late 2011:
http://www.fodors.com/community/europe/snakes-on-a-plane-our-thanksgiving-in-paris.cfm
Joan (poster name, GraceJoan3)likes Delta, I believe, because she has the option for "Comfort Seats", which while not Business Class, do give you a bit more room.
Good luck. I'm happy that you are getting to go! Enjoy
The USAir schedule is actually a tad better, and connects through PHL on the way there and Charlotte on the way back (3:40 layover). Those transatlantic flights are on Airbus A330s with 2-4-2 configurations. The Delta itinerary connects through Atlanta on the way there and JFK on the way back (2:47 layover); it's on a 777 with 2-4-2 on the way there and a 767 with 2-3-2 on the way back. I don't really want to connect at a northeast airport, just based on previous experiences at Philly and Newark, but I think I'll have to so I'll deal! I can't tell from ITA or the airline sites what the entertainment options are, but I'll look at SeatGuru when I get back from a meeting (not that I'm posting at work, of course
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It's sounding like USAir might be the winner. I really appreciate your input!
I prefer AF myself, but for reasons not specifically related to seat comfort, which isn't that different. You can check those thing online and try to find out (seat width, pitch, and configuration). I also have certain planes I prefer in terms of models/brands (I prefer Airbus to Boeing, for example). But ultimately I'd choose by price if the timing and connections were similar.
I don't understand your comparison, however. The AF costs $100 more but you refer to that as the "overnight flight." Well what's the other one if not overnight? I have never "enjoyed" an overnight flight on any airline, but that's because I cannot afford to pay for anything other than coach. I prefer AF for their prices, amenities, and the fact that sometimes I am transferring at CDG to another French city, and given they are the French airline, I don't worry about missing the connection much as I know there are plenty of flights and they are responsble for getting my luggage to me and they do that pretty well (as due to a short connection, my luggage didn't make it twice on AF and they had it delivered within the same day to my hotels which in one case were many miles away and not even in the same city).
Oooh...Philly...that would do it for me in choosing the Delta/AF flight - and I never choose the more expensive option!
But as you said, you know the (potential) pitfalls and you'll deal. I think it'll all work out fine.
Have a great trip!
We flew USAir last summer, connecting both ways in Charlotte. Had no difficulties, flights were fine, entertainment good since I can't really sleep on those red-eyes. We did have a very small plane on the return from CLT to Nashville (I think you live here too) and that was unnerving. I always feel safer in a big tin can as compared to a sardine tin!
YankyGal, I don't either, but I really do hate Philly! I got stuck there once and ended up getting "home" at 3am to a city three hours away... rough end to a fun trip. Maybe this would give me a good experience to counteract it!
Christina, I was comparing the overnight AF flight from Atlanta-CDG vs. the daytime transatlantic flight back, that one on Delta. Sorry for any confusion. I'm ending in Paris and hope to do carryon only, so hopefully luggage won't be a major issue (crossing my fingers!).
trvlgirlmq, I am indeed in Nashville - I don't think I realized you are as well! I've gotten pretty used to the tiny planes, but they are a little unnerving sometimes.
oh, I thought you meant USAir was flying in the day time over, which I was surprised. I wouldn't expect the flight to be that different, but you might check the baggage policies in your case to see if they differ.
jent103: I was comparing the overnight AF flight from Atlanta-CDG vs. the daytime transatlantic flight back, that one on Delta. Sorry for any confusion. I'm ending in Paris and hope to do carryon only, so hopefully luggage won't be a major issue (crossing my fingers!).
FYI, I flew Delta in September to/from Amsterdam and had no issues flying with just carry-ons. (Same two years earlier on same flights.) The trick is to make sure you get on the plane early enough to snag overhead bin space near your seat. The only issue I had flying within Europe was on a KLM flight from Milan back to Amsterdam, where there was a sports team on our completely full flight and they all had big carry-on bags with them. I was asked to check my carry-on bag even though my "personal item" (camera bag) would fit under my seat, and technically it was the first leg of an international flight. Otherwise, I've done fine with just carry-ons. Avoiding checked luggage flying to/from Europe has saved a lot of hassle since I started doing it.
I can't speak to how Air France handles carry-ons, though - only Delta.
I've been a carry-on only convert for awhile now, but I usually travel when it's warm out and can pack skirts, sandals, and no worry about jackets. Since average temps in Paris in March are around 50, it'll be a little more of a challenge, if for no other reason than my pants and shoes will take up more room! I would really love to do it, though. I've never had any issues with storage space but I know it could happen. I wouldn't mind gate checking; I just don't want to deal with the mysteries of the luggage system!

I think I'll have to check a bag on the way back, unfortunately, because I'll have my knitting with me and French security apparently considers knitting needles "dangerous items." As dangerous as a sharpened pencil, maybe.
I would choose US Air based on having to go through Atlanta and JFK. Charlotte is much easier to connect thru. I don't like Philadelphia that much either,but much better than the other 2 very large airports. There is a direct flight on USAir from CLT to Paris that I took in Oct. Not sure if it is still the same. I really liked that and not sure of the cost at this time. I would definitely check on that as it was a very good flight.
Not sure of your dates in March,but there is a direct flight from CLT to Paris,but Philadelphia to CLT returning.
Thanks, maryanne1. For the dates I'm checking, the direct CLT-CDG flight isn't showing up - it might be sold out. That's a shame, since I'd love to connect through CLT! I've never flown through JFK, but despite the horror stories I've never had major issues in Atlanta. Must be lucky, I guess.
Thanks again for the input, everyone. I think I'm ready to go on these USAir flights as soon as I get the go-ahead from my brother - hopefully tomorrow.
I picked USAIR because of the seating 2x4x2 and they got me home, Orlando at 6:00pm. We are going mco-phl but it is worth a Philly cheese steak. They actually make a good one in the airport. Coming home we are going through CLT. I will not use USAIR out of my local airport, DAB, because it is Mesa and they have lousy service.
Jent103 The USAirways flight from CLT-CDG is not showing up for your dates because I don't think it is scheduled every day in the week. I doubt if is sold out. We are flying CLT-CDG next month and have done so before. Also have flown PHL-CDG on US. I think CLT is a little better but there is not a lot of difference
I despise transfering in Atlanta.There is a direct AF flight from Orlando and the airport is very good for changing planes
The last time I was on AF I was not a happy camper - I had booked with Delta for an AF code share - when I checked in at CDG they had taken away our pleasant aisle / window seat, separated us and put us in one of the 5 person mid-plane purgatory seats. Of course they ran out of the meal choice right before they got to us and we had tme most disgusting airline meal ever. Asking for an extra bottle of the adult meal time beverage got me a sniff from the attendant. I will NEVER fly AF again unless it is saving me beaucoup money and then I wil be sure to check and check my seat so I don't get pushed to the back again and pack enough snacks to hold me on the oversea flight.
Thanks, waterdog - that might explain it! Right now it's looking best price-wise to leave on a Tuesday and come back on a Thursday, so maybe they don't run it on Tuesday evenings.

USAir it is - though I had some crazy dream last night where I had accidentally booked myself on Virgin Atlantic going through SFO. Where that came from, I have no idea! Still waiting on the brother's travel to get approved before I drop $800+ - gotta love bureaucracy.
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My last experience with USAir was sitting in Charlotte for about 4 hrs while they kept telling us that "the equipment will be ready soon".
It was also the last straw.
The food on AF is better than anyone else's.
IRA - re: AF food, I would have agreed with you before that last flight - we flew out of Paris so it can't be blamed on US operations - our tray had a mushy pasta with heavy, tasteless white sauce and then a pasta salad - more mush - it was horrid. I posted this afterwards and several other posters had recently had the same "delightful" menu.
The food on AF is better than anyone else's.
This has not been my experience and statements such as this are most likely rooted in an overall impression of French cuisine in general and not specifically to meals on an airline. I recently flew back to back in AF business class and Continental business class and the latter was clearly superior to the former in both execution and overall quality.