sparkchaser

Fortunately the only fatality so far was the bomber himself.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...german-city-o/

orangetravelcat1

And prior to that, a machete attack that killed one. That's 4 attacks in the span of a week in Germany.

Cowboy1968

It's not much of good news, but the 'machete attack' had been a case of boyfriend kills girlfriend. Not a random attack.

brubenow

Another attempt today in Zirndorf, near Nuremberg. A suitcase bomb failed to detonate near a government office. The people who planted the device are still at large.

It seems as though there is something every few days happening in Europe now. It is definitely escalating. Nice, Wurtzberg, Munich, Ansbach, Rouen, Zirndorf...

Whathello

Yes. It is escalating.
Seems some countries are more targeted than others though.
For the moment.

Cowboy1968

<i>Another attempt today in Zirndorf, near Nuremberg. A suitcase bomb failed to detonate near a government office. The people who planted the device are still at large.</i>

The final police report says that the suitcase contained a can of some aerosol like hairspray which exploded for whatever reason and eventually set the suitcase on fire.

No explosives have been found.
No bomb.
No attack.

In case you can read German:
http://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/6013/3389540

sparkchaser

I heard it was cans of spray paint.

Lois2

These are now so routine don't even make international news.

Macross

The slaughter of the Priest in France still has me shaken. Now it is not busy places or crowds but everywhere. Heads up and be aware.

brubenow

Yes Macross, it's as if someone instructed them to forego any grand plans and just started murdering anywhere there is low security and little surveillance. Small towns, etc.

Fussgaenger

"Now it is not busy places or crowds but everywhere."

I feel truly sorry for German and other EU citizens. Their leadership has welcomed millions of obviously very needy but also largely unvetted individuals with few if any documents from violent, war-torn, chaotic countries - places where bombs and blood-letting routinely serve as political discourse and means of self-expression. Germany has asked every little hamlet in every state to take these folks in like lost family members.

Now, very predictably, a tiny minority of these millions is expressing themselves just like they would back home; but the compliant citizens of Europe, if they now complain about street killings, get nothing but a finger-wagging for being "hateful" from their media and their naive politicians - and another "We can do this" speech.

I think we are only in Act I of this unfolding terror drama; over the next few decades, I expect much more routine airing of grudges along the same lines we've already witnessed among newcomers. It's only a tiny minority of course. But that's little solace for the victims and their families.

annhig

The final police report says that the suitcase contained a can of some aerosol like hairspray which exploded for whatever reason and eventually set the suitcase on fire.

No explosives have been found.
No bomb.
No attack. >>

thanks for the link, cowboy. nothing there, move along.

<< Their leadership has welcomed millions of obviously very needy but also largely unvetted individuals with few if any documents from violent, war-torn, chaotic countries - places where bombs and blood-letting routinely serve as political discourse and means of self-expression. Germany has asked every little hamlet in every state to take these folks in like lost family members.

Now, very predictably, a tiny minority of these millions is expressing themselves just like they would back home; but the compliant citizens of Europe, if they now complain about street killings, get nothing but a finger-wagging for being "hateful" from their media and their naive politicians - and another "We can do this" speech.>>

so far, Fussgaenger, so far as I can tell none of the perpetrators have been recent refugee immigrants, but people already embedded in the population. I've not heard politicians "finger-wagging" - they seem to me to be striking a very delicate balance between praising the security services and dealing with people's fears.

What you do want them to do? say that the immigrants are all potential terrorists? that way lie far more victims - quite literally.

Cowboy1968

What annhig says.

I'm sick of Trumpish xenophobic scare-mongering.

Just for the record:
The Munich shooting spree has been the most violent attack seen in years. And led to the highest number of victims.
And was caused by a deranged right-wing 'Aryan' youth who wanted to kill as many 'foreigners' as he could.

Fussgaenger

"...so far as I can tell none of the perpetrators have been recent refugee immigrants, but people already embedded in the population."

Don't try to split hairs that can't be split. Wuerzburg and Ansbach were both the result of recent wannabe immigrants. Both the bomb perp and the ax perp were asylum seekers who migrated to Germany for the purpose of living there and had been in Germany for 1-2 years (that's not recent??) Neither had achieved official immigrant status, but it's hard to understand why that label matters - how would a piece of paper have turned ax guy and bomb guy into pacifists?

Germany took in way too many too fast and too loosely. that's why Bavaria's Interior Minister is calling again for border controls that work:

"One of the shortcomings that we have complained about for months, is that we still don't really have regular and orderly procedures and that there are still thousands in our country, with whom the procedures aren't properly carried out."

In theory Germany screens by country already. But is that enough? If by "embedded" you mean the 2nd generation perpetrators of such violence, then said killers should demonstrate to you the wisdom of denying future immigration from ANY of the populations that have produced offspring who have engaged in such attacks on Germans. It's not like German citizens are in such desperate need of more Syrians or Iranians or Afghans or North Africans that such proven risks should be taken again. Germany's a great country and can take in immigrants from societies where anti-Western hate movements do not exist.

annhig

<<Don't try to split hairs that can't be split. Wuerzburg and Ansbach were both the result of recent wannabe immigrants. Both the bomb perp and the ax perp were asylum seekers who migrated to Germany for the purpose of living there and had been in Germany for 1-2 years (that's not recent??)>>

FG - you know very well that when I used the phrase "recent" I meant those who arrived along with thousands of others within the last 6 months, which formed the most controversial cohort of immigrants into western Europe.

And I'm not splitting hairs at all - I was responding to your reference to that same wave of immigration:

>>I feel truly sorry for German and other EU citizens. Their leadership has welcomed millions of obviously very needy but also largely unvetted individuals with few if any documents from violent, war-torn, chaotic countries - places where bombs and blood-letting routinely serve as political discourse and means of self-expression. Germany has asked every little hamlet in every state to take these folks in like lost family members.<<

I don't take issue with the Bavarian Interior minister asking for tighter [or any] controls at borders nor with this: << Germany's a great country and can take in immigrants from societies where anti-Western hate movements do not exist.>>

frankly, I don't get your point.

Fussgaenger

"I'm sick of Trumpish xenophobic scare-mongering."

Extra-quick to label others = extra quick to hang up your thinking cap.

It's not fearmongering to say that recent newcomers and not-so-recent immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa have been disproportionately involved in violent attacks in Germany recently. It's just FACT.

I suppose you think it's scaremongering then when German newspapers report these events as news. And it's also scaremongering when they report poll results showing that a clear majority of Germans and Europeans more generally now fear terror attacks as a result of immigration by refugees. From Die Welt, 12.07.2016:

"Größer als die Sorge über die wirtschaftlichen Folgen der Zuwanderung ist in Europa die Angst vor einer wachsenden Terrorgefahr. Im Durchschnitt glauben 59 Prozent der Menschen in den zehn Ländern, dass die Terrorgefahr durch die Zuwanderung steigt. Die osteuropäischen Länder Ungarn (76 Prozent) und Polen (71 Prozent) haben erneut die größten Sorgen.

Die Deutschen folgen diesmal mit 61 Prozent."

So nearly 2/3 of Germans are Trump-xenophobes?

And it's not scaremongering to suggest that Germany needs to tighten up procedures or stop immigration altogether from those places where the risk of getting violent newcomers has proven high. It's called prevention. The rhythm method produces a high rate of successful copulations relative to pregnancies - but who reccomends that method of protection? Letting refugees with no documents file willy-nilly into Germany will admit very few terrorists - but after admitting 2 million of them... is it really worth even one more German life?? Hasn't Germany done enough?

Cowboy1968

Are you German?
Do you live in Germany?

Fussgaenger

I don't wish to be your enemy Cowboy, but sticking labels on me and by extension on all the others in Germany, including police and many government officials, who have connected the dots between loose immigration practices and the immigrant element behind much of the violence this year... much of it beginning at 00:00 on 01.01.2016 by the way... that is neither tolerant nor reasonable.

And it is probably ethnocentric to use ethnicity or home country to assign low credibility to another poster's statements, as it seems you wish to do with your two questions. What is it that a non-German simply cannot understand?

If I got the facts wrong somewhere you are welcome to correct me.