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Road maps for Switzerland and Germany- Where to find detailed ones

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Our last trip to this region was 5 years ago and I navigated using both folding maps and the spiral Michelin atlas using 3 year old maps.
I can't them or remember which I liked better. I don't recall what is the number to look for when ordering online, is it 1/200,000 in order to get good detail?
Where is the best place to order?
What is the number on the spiral bound atlas?

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