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pre-booking trains - swiss site and trenitalia

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We are not traveling until Oct. but I want to try to pre-book a couple of train journeys. The first is from Zurich to Como and then a few days later from Como to Venice. How far in advance can I try to book the discount fares on the swiss site? and for the next leg, I am thinking I want to go for the 9E? fares from Milan to Venice. How far out can I book on Trenitalia; I know I have to wait for the summer fares to be loaded - will they then cover journeys thru Oct? THANKS!

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