Popping in and out of Ireland
Dec 10th, 2013, 12:10 AM
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Popping in and out of Ireland
I've got a USA passport and know that i can get a entrance visa/stamp for 90 days to visit /enter Ireland. On the 88th day, can i go to England for one night and then return to Ireland for another 90 days? How many years can i do this? Will continuing to do this make me an illegal immigrant?
Dec 10th, 2013, 01:56 AM
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You really need to ask these questions of your nearest Irish consulate, not in a travel forum. Ireland and the UK are not part of the Schengen group, and each has its own visa requirements. In the Schengen area, there is a maximum of one 90-day stay in any period of 180 days, so you could only stay for 180 days total in any year. I would imagine that the rules are similar in the UK and Ireland.
It sounds as though you would like to live in Ireland without going through the trouble of getting a long-term visa, for which you may not even be eligible. Essentially, there's no legal way to do this, so, yes, you'd be an illegal immigrant.
It sounds as though you would like to live in Ireland without going through the trouble of getting a long-term visa, for which you may not even be eligible. Essentially, there's no legal way to do this, so, yes, you'd be an illegal immigrant.
Dec 10th, 2013, 02:07 AM
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<i>You really need to ask these questions of your nearest Irish consulate, not in a travel forum.</i>
Oh man, I'd love to be a fly on the wall if the OP actually took this advice and asked the consulate those questions.
Oh man, I'd love to be a fly on the wall if the OP actually took this advice and asked the consulate those questions.
Dec 10th, 2013, 02:07 AM
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"On the 88th day, can i go to England for one night and then return to Ireland for another 90 days?"
Yes, if you travel to Northern Ireland, then cross the land border. But you <b>may</b> not: you would be interrogated at a Republic sea or air border and refused admission, though you'd in practice be refused boarding and deported from the UK back to the US (at your cost). There are random checks on vehicles, buses and train passengers coming from the UK.
"How many years can i do this?"
Forever. But you <b>may</b> not do this at all, so you will be committing a crime - and eventually you'll be caught.
"Will continuing to do this make me an illegal immigrant?"
Doing it once makes you an illegal immigrant, and you will be deported, with your passport endorsed and your criminal status recorded, once you are discovered.
Most Irishpeople would have you deported, even with the right visa, for being a smart-ass American who appears unable to write grammatical English.
Yes, if you travel to Northern Ireland, then cross the land border. But you <b>may</b> not: you would be interrogated at a Republic sea or air border and refused admission, though you'd in practice be refused boarding and deported from the UK back to the US (at your cost). There are random checks on vehicles, buses and train passengers coming from the UK.
"How many years can i do this?"
Forever. But you <b>may</b> not do this at all, so you will be committing a crime - and eventually you'll be caught.
"Will continuing to do this make me an illegal immigrant?"
Doing it once makes you an illegal immigrant, and you will be deported, with your passport endorsed and your criminal status recorded, once you are discovered.
Most Irishpeople would have you deported, even with the right visa, for being a smart-ass American who appears unable to write grammatical English.
Dec 10th, 2013, 02:22 AM
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Actually, it's a little trickier than that. You can only stay in the Schengen zone for up to 90 days within a 180 day period (on your particular passport, other passport may need a Schengen visa, but I digress...)
And just to make counting the days even more important, the 180 day period begins on the date of your first entry to the Schengen zone, and "resets" every 6 months/180days. So, if you arrived in a Schengen zone country on, say 1st January and left on 30th March, you wouldn't be able to re-enter until 1st July, ie 180 days from your first date of entry.
If you wanted to do a "visa run", and pop in and out, you'd have to work out the correct number of days between your first entry and last exit to when you wanted to be back and let 3 months lapse from that last exit before you went back in. In a sense, you could stay in the Schengen for 1 day to start the clock, leave, then re-enter 3 months after the last exit and stay only 90 days and leave, then come back the day after and stay for another 3 months.
Still following???
In other words, you can't reset your Schengen clock by leaving the zone for 1 day if you've already been there for 90 (or 88) days. You'll have to leave for 3 months/90 days to reset it at this stage.
And if you get caught breaking these laws, and it happens regularly, despite what you hear, you face being deported and not allowed to reenter the Schengen zone for 2 or more years (sometimes for life if you've been doing it for years in a row).
Better to apply for a Schengen visa, long stay if you can, from Ireland and that way you don't have to risk anything. Of course you'll have to prove why you qualify for a long-stay visa, and I'll leave that up to you to contact the correct authorities.
And just to make counting the days even more important, the 180 day period begins on the date of your first entry to the Schengen zone, and "resets" every 6 months/180days. So, if you arrived in a Schengen zone country on, say 1st January and left on 30th March, you wouldn't be able to re-enter until 1st July, ie 180 days from your first date of entry.
If you wanted to do a "visa run", and pop in and out, you'd have to work out the correct number of days between your first entry and last exit to when you wanted to be back and let 3 months lapse from that last exit before you went back in. In a sense, you could stay in the Schengen for 1 day to start the clock, leave, then re-enter 3 months after the last exit and stay only 90 days and leave, then come back the day after and stay for another 3 months.
Still following???
In other words, you can't reset your Schengen clock by leaving the zone for 1 day if you've already been there for 90 (or 88) days. You'll have to leave for 3 months/90 days to reset it at this stage.
And if you get caught breaking these laws, and it happens regularly, despite what you hear, you face being deported and not allowed to reenter the Schengen zone for 2 or more years (sometimes for life if you've been doing it for years in a row).
Better to apply for a Schengen visa, long stay if you can, from Ireland and that way you don't have to risk anything. Of course you'll have to prove why you qualify for a long-stay visa, and I'll leave that up to you to contact the correct authorities.
Dec 10th, 2013, 02:41 AM
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As far as I know Ireland isn't in the Schengen zone so their rules don't apply...
Either way I don't think that will work as the officials will see this in your passport when you try to enter and I doubt they would take kindly to you trying to get around immigration laws...
Either way I don't think that will work as the officials will see this in your passport when you try to enter and I doubt they would take kindly to you trying to get around immigration laws...
Dec 10th, 2013, 02:51 AM
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Ah yes jamikins, correct. I saw Schengen and just went with the deets. Ireland (and the UK) aren't in the Schengen Agreement, so completely different set of laws apply.
jobin, get thee to an immigration lawyer to see if you have any recourse to stay/be sponsored/your options.
jobin, get thee to an immigration lawyer to see if you have any recourse to stay/be sponsored/your options.
Dec 10th, 2013, 04:01 AM
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The UK and Ireland have an agreement known as the 'Common Border Area' which allows an open border between the two countries – effectively crossing from Ireland to England is classed as domestic travel. It is for this reason that Ireland is not part of the Schengen Zone – the UK would not sign up to it so Ireland was forced to choose one or the other.
Which means, no passport checks, no stamps in your passport, not resetting the clock on your 90 day stay.
Which means, no passport checks, no stamps in your passport, not resetting the clock on your 90 day stay.
Dec 10th, 2013, 06:28 AM
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Sparkchaser: why do you think there would be any particularly fascination outcome if this question were posed to the Irish consulate? I'm sure they get questions like this all the time.
Flanner, first of all, you're wrong. "Can" in the sense of "to have the right to do something" is perfectly correct; example, "Legal residents can vote in municipal elections, but only citizens can vote in general elections". Look it up. Second, even if you were right, it would be a matter of semantics, not grammar. You should be exiled for not knowing the difference.
Flanner, first of all, you're wrong. "Can" in the sense of "to have the right to do something" is perfectly correct; example, "Legal residents can vote in municipal elections, but only citizens can vote in general elections". Look it up. Second, even if you were right, it would be a matter of semantics, not grammar. You should be exiled for not knowing the difference.
Dec 10th, 2013, 06:46 AM
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Problem is that you do go through passport control on entry to Ireland every time, even from the UK. My hubby with his cdn passport got a stamp with the date if his visa written in every time, and he didn't always get 90 days. Sometimes he just got the weekend we were there. So if you pop back in and out the next immigration officer will see the dates in the first visa and will surely immediately see what you are doing. This is at the airports anyways.
Dec 10th, 2013, 07:29 AM
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Because, bvlenci, it would immediately flag up to them that the OP is intending to live, and possibly work, illegally in Ireland!
As jamikins stated, you do need to go through passport control every time you fly into Ireland, but isn't getting his passport checked, and therefore getting another 90 days 'legally', his whole idea? If he went to Belfast for a day (for example), he probably wouldn't be checked by anyone and nobody would know he'd ever left, and nothing would be 'reset'.
It's a silly idea anyway, whatever way you look at it, although contrary to what flanneruk seems to think, the OP used the modal verb 'can' correctly and is not guilty of crimes against grammar. I have no idea why so many people seem to think 'can' only refers to ability. It is also used for permission.
As jamikins stated, you do need to go through passport control every time you fly into Ireland, but isn't getting his passport checked, and therefore getting another 90 days 'legally', his whole idea? If he went to Belfast for a day (for example), he probably wouldn't be checked by anyone and nobody would know he'd ever left, and nothing would be 'reset'.
It's a silly idea anyway, whatever way you look at it, although contrary to what flanneruk seems to think, the OP used the modal verb 'can' correctly and is not guilty of crimes against grammar. I have no idea why so many people seem to think 'can' only refers to ability. It is also used for permission.
Dec 11th, 2013, 01:32 AM
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The Irish 90-day visitor visa is valid for one entry only. If you leave the country and seek to re-enter your visa is not valid.
We do have a common travel area with the UK, so visiting Belfast or London and returning does not count as attempting to re-enter on the same visa. In effect, visiting the UK changes nothing.
If you wanted to take a weekend in, say, Paris during a three-month sojourn in Ireland it is possible, but you need to have a discussion with immigration before you go.
We do have a common travel area with the UK, so visiting Belfast or London and returning does not count as attempting to re-enter on the same visa. In effect, visiting the UK changes nothing.
If you wanted to take a weekend in, say, Paris during a three-month sojourn in Ireland it is possible, but you need to have a discussion with immigration before you go.
Dec 11th, 2013, 06:52 AM
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With regard to "can" or "may, Clementine agrees with me. With regard to the reaction of the Irish consulate to a question like this, as I said before, I'm sure they get questions like this every day and give a plain factual answer. If you were a fly on the wall, you'd die of boredom. The question doesn't imply a desire to do something illegal; Jobin wanted to know if it was legal.
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Help! I want to stay in Dublin for 6-9 months for an unpaid internship. Do I have any options? Can I arrive in Dublin, stay 3 months, go to the UK or Northern Ireland for a weekend and come back to Dublin for another 3 months? I know Ireland has no law that you have to leave the country for 90 days like the Shengen area. So how can you reset your 90 days? Should I enter the UK first and get a 6 month stamp, go to Northern Ireland and by land get to Dublin without getting stamped again? Could I spend 3 months in Dublin, 3 months in Northern Ireland and then 3 months in Dublin? Thanks! (Note: I'm American, 33 yrs old and have been out of school for over a year.)
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<i>I want to stay in Dublin for 6-9 months for an unpaid internship. Do I have any options? </i>
Yes. Get your "employer" to get you an internship visa. http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Internship
Yes. Get your "employer" to get you an internship visa. http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Internship
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