Please guide how to manage , each destination approach , travel time
Jan 14th, 2012, 05:47 AM
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Please guide how to manage , each destination approach , travel time
i would like to visit Europe in july 2012 with my family includes wife and two sons age 11 and 16
please guide me for 5star hotel booking ,route , each station stay to conclude in 20 days for following countries from kuwait & back
Spain: Madrid 1N, Barcelona 2N, France: Cannes, Nice 2N, Eze, Paris 2N, Monaco: Monte Carlo, Italy: Pisa 1N, Rome 1N, Florence 1N, Venice, Padova 1N, Vatican: Vatican City, Austria: Wattens, Innsbruck 1N, Liechtenstein: Vaduz, Switzerland: Schaffhausen, Zurich, Lucerne 3N, Engelberg, Lauterbrunnen, Jungfraujoch, Interlaken, Germany: Titisee, Cologne 1N, Netherlands (Holland): Den Hague, Amsterdam 1N, Belgium: Brussels 1N, England: London 3N, Windsor, Oxford.
please guide me for 5star hotel booking ,route , each station stay to conclude in 20 days for following countries from kuwait & back
Spain: Madrid 1N, Barcelona 2N, France: Cannes, Nice 2N, Eze, Paris 2N, Monaco: Monte Carlo, Italy: Pisa 1N, Rome 1N, Florence 1N, Venice, Padova 1N, Vatican: Vatican City, Austria: Wattens, Innsbruck 1N, Liechtenstein: Vaduz, Switzerland: Schaffhausen, Zurich, Lucerne 3N, Engelberg, Lauterbrunnen, Jungfraujoch, Interlaken, Germany: Titisee, Cologne 1N, Netherlands (Holland): Den Hague, Amsterdam 1N, Belgium: Brussels 1N, England: London 3N, Windsor, Oxford.
Jan 14th, 2012, 05:54 AM
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WAY too many destinations. Travel time, packing and unpacking each day will leave you with NO time to really see or appreciate anything. You really need to narrow down your itinerary to a maximum of 4-5 destinations and even that is stretching it.
Jan 14th, 2012, 06:12 AM
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OK -- if you are <i>serious</i> . . . you have <B>33 destinations</B> and just 20 days. Now, I know you don't plan on sleeping in a few of those places -- but your list is <u>totally impossible</u>. Even by hiring a private executive jet and then a limo in each city, you could not visit all those places in 20 days.
back to the drawing board for you . . . You need to completely re-focus on at most 5 or 6 cities.Or take a guided tour -- but even the craziest tour wouldn't cover that much ground in 20 days.
back to the drawing board for you . . . You need to completely re-focus on at most 5 or 6 cities.Or take a guided tour -- but even the craziest tour wouldn't cover that much ground in 20 days.
Jan 14th, 2012, 07:00 AM
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Oh my, I'm afraid you will spend your entire trip either on a plane, train, or in a car! With 20 days, I would recommend you see only 3 countries at the most (and personally, I would only choose 1 or 2).
Best of luck!!
Best of luck!!
Jan 14th, 2012, 08:10 AM
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well, Paris does at least get 2 nights, and London 3.
I'd need a month's holiday to recover from a trip like that!
if you're serious, AJU, you need a complete rethink. and a map.
In France you are going from Cannes to Paris and back to Monte Carlo, and in Italy from Pisa to Rome to Florence to the Vatican [with several places in between] - or is this just a list of random places you've heard about but don't know what's there? [though you do give Luzern 3 nights which suggests that you have a reason for going there at least].
you have 20 days [including travel days?] that's 19 nights, and actually 18 days doing/seeing things. every time you move you can reckon on losing 1/2 day, so if you visit 6 places in your 18 days, you're down to 15 days. that's not long to see Europe.
AND you have two kids in tow, and if they are anything like most teenage boys I have met, they will want to be doing and seeing, not sitting in a car or train all the time.
IMHO you will all get the most out of this trip if you concentrate on 3-4 places, and make them different types of places. At least one should have an opportunity for the boys to do some sport - eg swimming or windsurfing. you could do much worse than concentrate on Italy - Fly into Venice, then go to Riva on lake Garda [windsurfing heaven] down to Rome for the colosseum etc. and then fly to Paris before going home.
now that would be a trip to remember! [for all the right reasons].
I'd need a month's holiday to recover from a trip like that!
if you're serious, AJU, you need a complete rethink. and a map.
In France you are going from Cannes to Paris and back to Monte Carlo, and in Italy from Pisa to Rome to Florence to the Vatican [with several places in between] - or is this just a list of random places you've heard about but don't know what's there? [though you do give Luzern 3 nights which suggests that you have a reason for going there at least].
you have 20 days [including travel days?] that's 19 nights, and actually 18 days doing/seeing things. every time you move you can reckon on losing 1/2 day, so if you visit 6 places in your 18 days, you're down to 15 days. that's not long to see Europe.
AND you have two kids in tow, and if they are anything like most teenage boys I have met, they will want to be doing and seeing, not sitting in a car or train all the time.
IMHO you will all get the most out of this trip if you concentrate on 3-4 places, and make them different types of places. At least one should have an opportunity for the boys to do some sport - eg swimming or windsurfing. you could do much worse than concentrate on Italy - Fly into Venice, then go to Riva on lake Garda [windsurfing heaven] down to Rome for the colosseum etc. and then fly to Paris before going home.
now that would be a trip to remember! [for all the right reasons].
Jan 14th, 2012, 08:12 AM
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Hi, welcome to Fodors. I think you are asking about
Spain: Madrid 1N, Barcelona 2N,
France: Cannes, Nice 2N, Eze, Paris 2N,
Monaco: Monte Carlo,
Italy: Pisa 1N, Rome 1N, Florence 1N, Venice, Padova 1N, Vatican: Vatican City,
Austria: Wattens, Innsbruck 1N,
Liechtenstein: Vaduz,
Switzerland: Schaffhausen, Zurich, Lucerne 3N, Engelberg, Lauterbrunnen, Jungfraujoch, Interlaken,
Germany: Titisee, Cologne 1N,
Netherlands (Holland): Den Hague, Amsterdam 1N,
Belgium: Brussels 1N,
England: London 3N, Windsor, Oxford.
What does "each station stay" mean, are you traveling by train?
What does "each destination approach" mean?
Do you have a preffered list of hotels, 5 star is pretty meaningless in Europe
Spain: Madrid 1N, Barcelona 2N,
France: Cannes, Nice 2N, Eze, Paris 2N,
Monaco: Monte Carlo,
Italy: Pisa 1N, Rome 1N, Florence 1N, Venice, Padova 1N, Vatican: Vatican City,
Austria: Wattens, Innsbruck 1N,
Liechtenstein: Vaduz,
Switzerland: Schaffhausen, Zurich, Lucerne 3N, Engelberg, Lauterbrunnen, Jungfraujoch, Interlaken,
Germany: Titisee, Cologne 1N,
Netherlands (Holland): Den Hague, Amsterdam 1N,
Belgium: Brussels 1N,
England: London 3N, Windsor, Oxford.
What does "each station stay" mean, are you traveling by train?
What does "each destination approach" mean?
Do you have a preffered list of hotels, 5 star is pretty meaningless in Europe
Jan 14th, 2012, 08:45 AM
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I took your list to mean - as 2 examples:
>><i>Lucerne 3N, Engelberg, Lauterbrunnen, Jungfraujoch, Interlaken,</i><<
Three nights in Lucerne to use as a base for seeing Engelberg, Lauterbrunnen, Jungfraujoch and Interlaken
and
>><i>London 3N, Windsor, Oxford</i><<
Three nights in London to base for Oxford and Windsor.
Not that you'd sleep in all 33 destinations.
And I don't <i>think</i> you meant traveling in that specific order of things since you asked for help with the route.
But even w/ that your proposed plan is totally impossible.
>><i>Lucerne 3N, Engelberg, Lauterbrunnen, Jungfraujoch, Interlaken,</i><<
Three nights in Lucerne to use as a base for seeing Engelberg, Lauterbrunnen, Jungfraujoch and Interlaken
and
>><i>London 3N, Windsor, Oxford</i><<
Three nights in London to base for Oxford and Windsor.
Not that you'd sleep in all 33 destinations.
And I don't <i>think</i> you meant traveling in that specific order of things since you asked for help with the route.
But even w/ that your proposed plan is totally impossible.
Jan 14th, 2012, 12:24 PM
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Sure, your itinerary is no problem at all. Many of us have done the exact same trip. Not only is it possible, but it is also very inexpensive to do it this way, as you seldom need to get a hotel room. I wouldn't waste time eating or bathing either.
Oh man, two weeks in a row and I just cannot keep from being "snarky"
dave
Oh man, two weeks in a row and I just cannot keep from being "snarky"
dave
Jan 14th, 2012, 12:57 PM
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yes, i think that jj has interpreted the OP somewhat better than we did, bilbo.
i don't know about a travel agent, I think he'll probably need to lie down in a darkened room after he reads this!
daveesl - i don't think you're being snarky, just realistic.
i don't know about a travel agent, I think he'll probably need to lie down in a darkened room after he reads this!
daveesl - i don't think you're being snarky, just realistic.
Jan 14th, 2012, 01:48 PM
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OK, Really decide what you want to see in the three or four places you most want to see.
For example: Rome. Do you want to see the Vatican, Sistine Chapel, Colosseum, Pantheon, Trevi fountain, etc.? Figure out how much time that will take.
Put your three or four most important places together and map out travel times. It is generally best to focus on countries or cites that are closer together or easily reached by train, cheap flights, etc. because you actually have more sight seeing time and it will be cheaper. By really focusing, you will actually see many more things.
Renting a car in one country and dropping it off in another will be very expensive. You might want to rent a car only when you are going to be driving around in the countryside for two or three days.
Some European countries are bigger than people usually think. With 20 days, you might want to concentrate on two or three countries with only two or three bases in each country.
Stars for European hotels stand only for amenities not quality. So having an elevator and small restaurant might boost a hotel up a notch, and it might not be as good as an unrated hotel. So take advice from Fodorites who have travelled for recs, not just stars.
Are you military on leave? If so, I and a few others on the board can give you information that will be more help.
For example: Rome. Do you want to see the Vatican, Sistine Chapel, Colosseum, Pantheon, Trevi fountain, etc.? Figure out how much time that will take.
Put your three or four most important places together and map out travel times. It is generally best to focus on countries or cites that are closer together or easily reached by train, cheap flights, etc. because you actually have more sight seeing time and it will be cheaper. By really focusing, you will actually see many more things.
Renting a car in one country and dropping it off in another will be very expensive. You might want to rent a car only when you are going to be driving around in the countryside for two or three days.
Some European countries are bigger than people usually think. With 20 days, you might want to concentrate on two or three countries with only two or three bases in each country.
Stars for European hotels stand only for amenities not quality. So having an elevator and small restaurant might boost a hotel up a notch, and it might not be as good as an unrated hotel. So take advice from Fodorites who have travelled for recs, not just stars.
Are you military on leave? If so, I and a few others on the board can give you information that will be more help.
