Picking an Area in Paris-- short term rentals, One month at a time
Jul 15th, 2016, 07:55 AM
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Picking an Area in Paris-- short term rentals, One month at a time
I need help. My fiance and I are moving to EU for a bit starting in August. Our first 3 months are to be in France, specifically, Paris. My inclination is to stay away from the touristy places, but neither of us have been to Paris so that may be the wrong thing. I didn't mind Times Square the first time to NYC, but for a month? Absolutely not. We will be working and running our business in the States while there. Shops are extremely important to me (ie grocery, cafe, patisserie, boutiques) as we are not just there for a week. Personally, I like the finer things in life and will be spending some time on Rue Cambon, JJR, and St Honore. My finace is much, much more low key so we need a happy medium. We both love museums and culture. We have been approved for several flats in different areas and wanted to know the best option for us. 1. Passy- the most amazing balcony with an unobstructed view of the Eiffel. 2. Opera- beautiful Parisian loft with terrace. 3. St Germain-Odeon- Quirky Parisian, large but no terrace and top of the budget. 4. Madeline/St Honore- Modern, chic, terrace.
If we had 4 months here, I would just stay at all four of these. Every one is a beautiful and spacious for two people. We will be hosting guests from the States from time to time as well.
If we had 4 months here, I would just stay at all four of these. Every one is a beautiful and spacious for two people. We will be hosting guests from the States from time to time as well.
Jul 15th, 2016, 08:47 AM
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<i>My inclination is to stay away from the touristy places</i>
That is correct. So far your approved options are all totally incorrect as far as I am concerned.
Clearly you have a huge budget, so just spend all of your money and you will love those places no matter what.
That is correct. So far your approved options are all totally incorrect as far as I am concerned.
Clearly you have a huge budget, so just spend all of your money and you will love those places no matter what.
Jul 15th, 2016, 09:09 AM
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>>We will be working and running our business in the States while there. <<
Not possible
>>We have been approved for several flats in different areas<<
Approved for what by whom? (the majority of short term rentals - and yes a month is 'short term' - in Paris are not legal.
>>Our first 3 months are to be in France<<
Unless you have a long stay visa your 'first' 3 months (90 days to be specific) will be your <u>only</u> 3 months. you are only allowed 90 days total in Schengen.
Not possible
>>We have been approved for several flats in different areas<<
Approved for what by whom? (the majority of short term rentals - and yes a month is 'short term' - in Paris are not legal.
>>Our first 3 months are to be in France<<
Unless you have a long stay visa your 'first' 3 months (90 days to be specific) will be your <u>only</u> 3 months. you are only allowed 90 days total in Schengen.
Jul 15th, 2016, 11:57 AM
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The new law which will restrict short-term rentals in Paris is supposed to begin taking effect in mid-September.
The law is designed to prevent tax evasion, and no apartment can be listed on the internet unless it has been approved by the city as a legal operation and receives a registration number, which will be posted on the website. The Geek Squad has taken over, and is working much faster on this project than the Mayor's task force, which has met with problems trying to locate absentee owners, etc.
So, not sure how long your choices might be viable, since there are only 107 legal apartments approved by the City at this time.
Assuming you get in under the wire, though, why don't you just stay one month in each location? There are things to hate and love about all the neighborhoods you mentioned - you might find you're in love with the apartment, but not the surroundings.
The law is designed to prevent tax evasion, and no apartment can be listed on the internet unless it has been approved by the city as a legal operation and receives a registration number, which will be posted on the website. The Geek Squad has taken over, and is working much faster on this project than the Mayor's task force, which has met with problems trying to locate absentee owners, etc.
So, not sure how long your choices might be viable, since there are only 107 legal apartments approved by the City at this time.
Assuming you get in under the wire, though, why don't you just stay one month in each location? There are things to hate and love about all the neighborhoods you mentioned - you might find you're in love with the apartment, but not the surroundings.
Jul 15th, 2016, 01:03 PM
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Also listen to the others who point out you can only spend 90 days in the Schengen area (which is most but not all of the EU, and a couple of non EU countries) unless you either have an EU passport or a long term visa. You cannot work and run a business in the States unless you have the correct visa and look into tax laws etc.
Read http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...ith-family.cfm
Read http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...ith-family.cfm
Jul 15th, 2016, 02:07 PM
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fuzzbucket;Thank you!!! That is great advice there. Our thoughts currently are to travel the world for about a year or so. We have looked into long-term visa's from FR and DE. DE is much easier and thus our 3 month max in FR so hopefully, we will not feel the affects of all that. We will have to be in DE before that 3 months is up to get that visa if we want to stay in the EU anyway.
hetismij2; That was one of the first things I really looked into months ago. We have a S-Corp and have looked into the taxation, etc. We work remote, our contracts all know we're global and our 'home' base is Texas which means no state tax.
We have an appointment with an expat accountant come Monday. From what I have researched, if we only stay 183 days or less in one country then we are not responsible for local taxes, only the US. This varies from country to country of course, which we will make sure to abide by.
melodyesch; Thanks!! That was a very informative read and I am glad I do not have kids!
janisj; it is absolutely possible. We're not staying in FR for longer than 90 days.
hetismij2; That was one of the first things I really looked into months ago. We have a S-Corp and have looked into the taxation, etc. We work remote, our contracts all know we're global and our 'home' base is Texas which means no state tax.
We have an appointment with an expat accountant come Monday. From what I have researched, if we only stay 183 days or less in one country then we are not responsible for local taxes, only the US. This varies from country to country of course, which we will make sure to abide by.
melodyesch; Thanks!! That was a very informative read and I am glad I do not have kids!
janisj; it is absolutely possible. We're not staying in FR for longer than 90 days.
Jul 15th, 2016, 02:17 PM
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>>We will have to be in DE before that 3 months is up to get that visa<<
I'm confused what you mean -- you can't apply for and get a DE visa while you are in DE.
>>janisj; it is absolutely possible. We're not staying in FR for longer than 90 days.<<
I get that -- 90 days has nothing to do w/ working or not.
I'm confused what you mean -- you can't apply for and get a DE visa while you are in DE.
>>janisj; it is absolutely possible. We're not staying in FR for longer than 90 days.<<
I get that -- 90 days has nothing to do w/ working or not.
Jul 15th, 2016, 02:34 PM
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You may find some useful info here, although they haven't tried for a long stay visa:
https://everywhereonce.com/
https://everywhereonce.com/
Jul 15th, 2016, 02:52 PM
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If you are going to travel the world, you will run into visa issues is many/most countries if you are trying to work (yes, even if you are running your own business over the internet). The tax liabilities are only a small piece of the puzzle.
This is one of those things that sounds great, but getting to actually work is remarkably difficult.
This is one of those things that sounds great, but getting to actually work is remarkably difficult.
Jul 15th, 2016, 07:13 PM
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I definitely appreciate the advice, and will definitely put some of it to use, but I have accountants and lawyers to figure all the other stuff out. If it's not a year, then so be it. I will still be in EU for 3 months whether we are working, or not. I needed recommendations on where to STAY. Which was what this forum post was all about-- not about feasibility. I have yet to really get any pros and cons about any of these places.
Jul 15th, 2016, 10:49 PM
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Presumably the OP is smart enough to have already taken a Google Walk Street View tour of the neighborhoods where the apartments are located.
It is never far to the nearest patisserie, and finding food and whatever else anyone needs is not a problem in Paris.
If you are worried about this, use Google Maps and use the "search nearby" function. Using the words in French will help.
To the OP -
Agencies listing apartments on the internet currently have the legal right to do so. I'm not sure what will happen to agencies when the new law goes into effect.
The burden will fall on the property owner, many of whom are represented by agencies. It's possible that agencies won't be able to list apartments without the registration number issued by the City.
It is never far to the nearest patisserie, and finding food and whatever else anyone needs is not a problem in Paris.
If you are worried about this, use Google Maps and use the "search nearby" function. Using the words in French will help.
To the OP -
Agencies listing apartments on the internet currently have the legal right to do so. I'm not sure what will happen to agencies when the new law goes into effect.
The burden will fall on the property owner, many of whom are represented by agencies. It's possible that agencies won't be able to list apartments without the registration number issued by the City.
Jul 16th, 2016, 12:06 AM
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pastryshops - I don't get this. there are pastry shops everywhere, how can it be a criterion ?
OP, yes I guess you asked about visa etc still since you seem to mention that you go to Germany because it is easy and then to France ?
IF you do thatn be ready to lie at airport and don't tell them you spend your 90 days in France. Because you are supposed to spend more days in Germany if you apply there.
It hardly ever happens (to be controlled), but I was involved in getting 3 Turks out of jail who had gone to Belgium with a visa from Switzerland.
OP, yes I guess you asked about visa etc still since you seem to mention that you go to Germany because it is easy and then to France ?
IF you do thatn be ready to lie at airport and don't tell them you spend your 90 days in France. Because you are supposed to spend more days in Germany if you apply there.
It hardly ever happens (to be controlled), but I was involved in getting 3 Turks out of jail who had gone to Belgium with a visa from Switzerland.
Jul 16th, 2016, 02:27 AM
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We lived in the leafy town Of Le Vésinet...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_V%C3%A9sinet
...west of Paris, just outside of Le périphérique
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulev...iph%C3%A9rique
...for 4 years [1996-99].
Commuted on RER Line A into town. Loved it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_V%C3%A9sinet
...west of Paris, just outside of Le périphérique
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boulev...iph%C3%A9rique
...for 4 years [1996-99].
Commuted on RER Line A into town. Loved it.
Jul 16th, 2016, 07:59 AM
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Here goes:
1) Passy - stuck-up ("prout-prout"), wealthy ("fils de") couples or families going back to very old money, many older people live here. You'll have to dress up and put on full makeup, just to take out your garbage. I have a good friend who lives here, and have to invest in a new wardrobe every time I visit her. In this area, you will have to look long and hard to avoid eating in anything other then old-time traditional restaurants which serve traditional old-time food - straight from the freezer.
2) Opera - depending on location, you will be constantly entertained by the parade of RoissyBus, tour buses, Asian tourists and pickpockets swarming the neighborhood. Think you'll enjoy a peaceful shopping trip? Think again. The constant traffic noise on boulevard Haussmann and thereabouts will make your head swim, and you'll spend a lot of time cleaning the pollution off your terrace. There are no good restaurants within a few kilometers' distance of the Opera Garnier.
3) St Germain-Odeon is tourist central, though a good choice if you like to eat over-priced bellota and pata negra. The area is a better choice, if you appreciate people who know how to dress well and keep their voices to a sophisticated stage whisper - but they will only be found upstairs at Cafe de Flore. The rest of them will be downstairs, sweating and wearing shorts and flip-flops.
4) Madeleine - Saint Honore is peopled by those who work in elegant shops or banks during the day, and go out for "aperos" in the evening. After that, you'll have to go to the movies, if you want to entertain yourself. The whole place virtually closes down when the banks and shops do. Again, there are no good restaurants here, unless you count the ones in luxury hotels. You'll have to do the bit about dressing up to deal with the trash, too.
If you're looking for any kind of authentic life in any of these neighborhoods, you will have made a poor, uninformed choice.
Much better to avoid these areas for the reasons I gave, and visit them, from time-to-time.
1) Passy - stuck-up ("prout-prout"), wealthy ("fils de") couples or families going back to very old money, many older people live here. You'll have to dress up and put on full makeup, just to take out your garbage. I have a good friend who lives here, and have to invest in a new wardrobe every time I visit her. In this area, you will have to look long and hard to avoid eating in anything other then old-time traditional restaurants which serve traditional old-time food - straight from the freezer.
2) Opera - depending on location, you will be constantly entertained by the parade of RoissyBus, tour buses, Asian tourists and pickpockets swarming the neighborhood. Think you'll enjoy a peaceful shopping trip? Think again. The constant traffic noise on boulevard Haussmann and thereabouts will make your head swim, and you'll spend a lot of time cleaning the pollution off your terrace. There are no good restaurants within a few kilometers' distance of the Opera Garnier.
3) St Germain-Odeon is tourist central, though a good choice if you like to eat over-priced bellota and pata negra. The area is a better choice, if you appreciate people who know how to dress well and keep their voices to a sophisticated stage whisper - but they will only be found upstairs at Cafe de Flore. The rest of them will be downstairs, sweating and wearing shorts and flip-flops.
4) Madeleine - Saint Honore is peopled by those who work in elegant shops or banks during the day, and go out for "aperos" in the evening. After that, you'll have to go to the movies, if you want to entertain yourself. The whole place virtually closes down when the banks and shops do. Again, there are no good restaurants here, unless you count the ones in luxury hotels. You'll have to do the bit about dressing up to deal with the trash, too.
If you're looking for any kind of authentic life in any of these neighborhoods, you will have made a poor, uninformed choice.
Much better to avoid these areas for the reasons I gave, and visit them, from time-to-time.
Jul 16th, 2016, 09:23 AM
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I would stay on the 7th. Get an apartment with an Eiffel Tower view. It is quiet and it is surrounded by a lot of great restaurants. My personal favorite is Patooka and Cafe Constant. It is a very charming little village, if I could call it that. Everything you will need is there, I think your boyfriend will appreciate this area.
For you, Bon Marche is not too far. I love this store!
We rented from Paris Perfect and in my humble opinion, I think has the best apartments if you want an Eiffel Tower view. Their apartments are gorgeous!
You are so lucky to be able to stay for three months. We stayed for a month in Paris in May/June of this year and it was not enough.
For you, Bon Marche is not too far. I love this store!
We rented from Paris Perfect and in my humble opinion, I think has the best apartments if you want an Eiffel Tower view. Their apartments are gorgeous!
You are so lucky to be able to stay for three months. We stayed for a month in Paris in May/June of this year and it was not enough.
Jul 16th, 2016, 09:47 AM
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Fuzzbucket was extremely kind to give details about the drawbacks about all of the places listed at the beginning. I do not have as much patience and tend to allow people to find out for themselves why their initial impressions are misinformed (at least in terms of saying from the start "stay away from the touristy places" and then proceed to list some of the worst offenders). Quite a few people absolutely LOVE these areas, but they represent the 'Disneyland' aspect that Paris can have and not at all how the majority of Parisians live.
I have to say that the suggestion of cafegoddess falls into exactly the same category, and the idea of feeling that an Eiffel Tower view is important totally confirms the fantasy vision of the city with no desire to experience the authentic city.
There are very nice apartments available in Paris in absolutely all of the arrondissements, including the ones that some people consider scruffy (None qualify as 'unsafe' no matter what Fox News says.). Mention of the suburbs is also completely appropriate because there are some excellent areas that offer much more greenery and fresh air than you can find inside the city.
I will not recommend my own area to you since you would find it ugly. I live in the "La Chapelle" area of the 18th arrondissement which is an area of extremely mixed ethnicity (currently split almost evenly between European, Indian, African, North African and Southeast Asian) with astounding ethnic restaurants, a beautiful Baltard covered market, totally remarkable local initiatives like shared vegetable gardens in hidden areas, the highest percentage of university housing in the city, and -- this is where you would fit in if you didn't need 'pretty' and 'traditional' -- rapid pace gentrification as too many people discover that this is the area of the future.
I have to say that the suggestion of cafegoddess falls into exactly the same category, and the idea of feeling that an Eiffel Tower view is important totally confirms the fantasy vision of the city with no desire to experience the authentic city.
There are very nice apartments available in Paris in absolutely all of the arrondissements, including the ones that some people consider scruffy (None qualify as 'unsafe' no matter what Fox News says.). Mention of the suburbs is also completely appropriate because there are some excellent areas that offer much more greenery and fresh air than you can find inside the city.
I will not recommend my own area to you since you would find it ugly. I live in the "La Chapelle" area of the 18th arrondissement which is an area of extremely mixed ethnicity (currently split almost evenly between European, Indian, African, North African and Southeast Asian) with astounding ethnic restaurants, a beautiful Baltard covered market, totally remarkable local initiatives like shared vegetable gardens in hidden areas, the highest percentage of university housing in the city, and -- this is where you would fit in if you didn't need 'pretty' and 'traditional' -- rapid pace gentrification as too many people discover that this is the area of the future.
