Nazi Concentration Camps in Southern Germany
Mar 27th, 2008, 11:03 AM
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Nazi Concentration Camps in Southern Germany
Hi,
I read this about a camp outside berlin
http://noambit.typepad.com/my_weblog...-macht-fr.html
and was wondering which camp anyone would suggest to visit down towards munich. Visiting at least one of these places would be an experience that I wouldn't want to pass up while I'm there.
I read this about a camp outside berlin
http://noambit.typepad.com/my_weblog...-macht-fr.html
and was wondering which camp anyone would suggest to visit down towards munich. Visiting at least one of these places would be an experience that I wouldn't want to pass up while I'm there.
Mar 27th, 2008, 11:13 AM
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We visited Dachau which is just outside Munich...a quick and easy train ride. To say one enjoyed a concentration camp doesn't seem appropriate, however I agree with you in that it is something one should experience. I really want to visit Auschwitz someday!
Have fun!
Have fun!
Mar 27th, 2008, 11:13 AM
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Near Munich is Dachau concentration camp. We visited here in 2002 and took the English tour. Our guide was very good and we learned a lot--probably more than if we just walked around on our own. Dachau was the first concentration camp and was set up for political prisoners. If you are near Munich, I would recommend visiting Dachau. Any visit to a c. camp is very sobering but something you must do if you are in the area.
Apr 25th, 2008, 06:27 PM
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We took our children to dachau - it was well worth the trip. we did a guided tour from munich that basically drove us out there with commentary and allowed us 2-3 hours to tour the site on our own. Our boys were 13 and 15 at the time- they will never forget.
Apr 25th, 2008, 07:32 PM
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Pinkyfin, if you go to a concentration camp, it will stay with you forever. I went to Mauthausen in Austria when I was in Europe. You can read all of the texts and see all the pictures, but it's nowhere near as real as when you're actually there. You have a better understanding of how terrifying, hopeless and oppressive the camps were. One of the things I really remember was actually the weather. At the town just a short distance away it was a bright sunny day. At the camp it was dreary, drizzly and crummy. They said that's how it always is, the sun just doesn't shine there.
Truenorth, just because it was 60 years ago doesn't mean we should forget it, even when it's 160 years ago. Seeing one historical aspect of an entire continent shouldn't make you judge the people harshly, but it should give you a perspective on the history and the events that guided the area to what it is currently. Would Europe be what it is today if WWII, the Nazi's and the concentration camps had never happened? Of course not. Some of the things that have shaped history are fun (castles, manor houses, cathedrals) and some aspects just stink (the Plague, multiple wars, and the various parts of WWII including the concentration camps). The horrible parts are as important to the new Europe that you love today as the wonderful parts.
Truenorth, just because it was 60 years ago doesn't mean we should forget it, even when it's 160 years ago. Seeing one historical aspect of an entire continent shouldn't make you judge the people harshly, but it should give you a perspective on the history and the events that guided the area to what it is currently. Would Europe be what it is today if WWII, the Nazi's and the concentration camps had never happened? Of course not. Some of the things that have shaped history are fun (castles, manor houses, cathedrals) and some aspects just stink (the Plague, multiple wars, and the various parts of WWII including the concentration camps). The horrible parts are as important to the new Europe that you love today as the wonderful parts.
Apr 25th, 2008, 07:38 PM
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I was 13 when my parents took me to Dachau. I am now 52. I will never forget the experience. Sure, this is a different experience than, "oh, you must see Versailles!"
Give me a break. I strongly suggest a family visit to Dauchau should not be missed. One wishes some of the current adminsitration might have benefited from a visit in their formative years. . . .
Give me a break. I strongly suggest a family visit to Dauchau should not be missed. One wishes some of the current adminsitration might have benefited from a visit in their formative years. . . .
Apr 25th, 2008, 10:58 PM
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I highly reccomend a visit to Dachau too! I was ther two months ago and it was one of the most intense experiences of my life.
You can see my photos from the tour at
www.pbase.com/trsw/dachau
Tom
You can see my photos from the tour at
www.pbase.com/trsw/dachau
Tom
Apr 26th, 2008, 03:40 AM
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I have been to Dachau three times. The first time I told my friends, I don't know if I could go in, I did and it was a very emotional experience. Since then I have taken other friends and they all agree it should not be missed. Also, the people in the town of Dachau are great, and it is a great town to stay in for the night.
Apr 26th, 2008, 05:43 AM
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>"something you must do if you are in the area" ... I don't think so! It's been over 60 yrs.
Gee, an entire 60 years.
There are people still alive who were prisoners in those camps.
Can't you at least wait until they are dead before you dismiss them?
Gee, an entire 60 years.
There are people still alive who were prisoners in those camps.
Can't you at least wait until they are dead before you dismiss them?
Apr 26th, 2008, 05:58 AM
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"Can't you at least wait until they are dead before you dismiss them?"
Gee, ira, why should he/she? If someone is so willing to dismiss 6 million (or many more) others, why should a few survivors bother him?
Apr 26th, 2008, 06:59 AM
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Let's see if there will be sightseeing tours of Guantanamo in 60 years...
As the OP wrote: Visiting at least one of these places would be an experience that I wouldn't want to pass up while I'm there.
Or do those imprisoned at Guantanamo not have such a strong lobby?
As the OP wrote: Visiting at least one of these places would be an experience that I wouldn't want to pass up while I'm there.
Or do those imprisoned at Guantanamo not have such a strong lobby?
Apr 26th, 2008, 08:01 AM
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To grr:
Your refernce to "lobby" is very disturbing and ill-placed.
During the course of sveral decades, I have visited many former K-camps throughout Europe. I have written about these visits in two of my books.
I did not feel pressed by any "lobby" to do so. It was merely my interest in history, good or bad, and as sort of a personal homage to those millions of victims. In recent years both my wife and I have interviewed survivors, independently and also as part of the Shoah Foundation's great work in this regard...it has now interviewed (videotaped) more than 60,000 survivor testimonies for posterity ...thanks to Steven Spielberg's massive donation from his personal "Schindler's List" proceeds.
No, there is no lobby involved. I'm certain that any of those survivors still alive, if they could visit Guantanamo, would come away with the idea that comparatively, it is a boy scout camp. Truly.
Why not use "Andersonville", the notorious POW camp in South Carolina as an iota closer example to the well-documented horrors of the Nazi K-camps.
For shame, GRRR...you are both ill-informed and ridiculous in your nasty "lobby" assessment.
True North, your remark doesn't even deserve reference.
Pinky Fin: Please go to Dachau...it's not mandatory, but it's something none of us should ever forget..and that's good for the future of humanity.
Stu T.
(anyone wishing to read my reference K-camp pieces on Auschwitz and Treblinka, please write and I will scan the few pages from my books to send to you.)
[email protected]
Your refernce to "lobby" is very disturbing and ill-placed.
During the course of sveral decades, I have visited many former K-camps throughout Europe. I have written about these visits in two of my books.
I did not feel pressed by any "lobby" to do so. It was merely my interest in history, good or bad, and as sort of a personal homage to those millions of victims. In recent years both my wife and I have interviewed survivors, independently and also as part of the Shoah Foundation's great work in this regard...it has now interviewed (videotaped) more than 60,000 survivor testimonies for posterity ...thanks to Steven Spielberg's massive donation from his personal "Schindler's List" proceeds.
No, there is no lobby involved. I'm certain that any of those survivors still alive, if they could visit Guantanamo, would come away with the idea that comparatively, it is a boy scout camp. Truly.
Why not use "Andersonville", the notorious POW camp in South Carolina as an iota closer example to the well-documented horrors of the Nazi K-camps.
For shame, GRRR...you are both ill-informed and ridiculous in your nasty "lobby" assessment.
True North, your remark doesn't even deserve reference.
Pinky Fin: Please go to Dachau...it's not mandatory, but it's something none of us should ever forget..and that's good for the future of humanity.
Stu T.
(anyone wishing to read my reference K-camp pieces on Auschwitz and Treblinka, please write and I will scan the few pages from my books to send to you.)
[email protected]
Apr 26th, 2008, 10:32 AM
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Andersonville, Georgia, not SC..here is some info on the hellish War Between the States prison.
stu t.
http://tinyurl.com/6yt246
stu t.
http://tinyurl.com/6yt246
Apr 26th, 2008, 10:33 AM
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Last Thursday, I saw Ben Stein's new movie - Expelled.
In it he visited Hadamar which is where the Nazis executed the 'unfit' (mental and physically defective - not the Jews as at other camps). It was really creepy seeing the place, more than the scenes at Dachau which he also visited in the movie.
I searched Fodor's and found no reference to it. For info, look at www.hadamar.de - the town's website. It is located near Limburg on the Lahn river near Koblenz.
In it he visited Hadamar which is where the Nazis executed the 'unfit' (mental and physically defective - not the Jews as at other camps). It was really creepy seeing the place, more than the scenes at Dachau which he also visited in the movie.
I searched Fodor's and found no reference to it. For info, look at www.hadamar.de - the town's website. It is located near Limburg on the Lahn river near Koblenz.
Apr 26th, 2008, 10:50 AM
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My dh saw Ben's movie yesterday and was equally disturbed by that reference bigtyke.
Interesing that dd and I watched "the hiding place" last night. I am planning a trip with her in the spring and it is on the list of places to go. We will be visiting Dachau as well as the Anne Frank house and other World War 11 stops along the way.
Tower - kudos to you for your work.
truenorth - shame on you.
Interesing that dd and I watched "the hiding place" last night. I am planning a trip with her in the spring and it is on the list of places to go. We will be visiting Dachau as well as the Anne Frank house and other World War 11 stops along the way.
Tower - kudos to you for your work.
truenorth - shame on you.
