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Dear All,
My friends and I (6 females) are going to self drive in Ireland . This is our first trip to Europe. We love nature and beautiful landscapes . We also love short walks , countrysides and visit markets .We have 2 itineraries . Kindly advise us which one is better and doable.Any suggestions are welcomed... Thank you !
Itinerary A:
Day 1 (28.5 .17, Sun) Dublin
Day 2 (29.5.17,Mon) Kilkenny
Day 3 (30.5.17,Tues)Waterford
Day 4 (31.5.17,Wed) Waterford
Day 5 (1.6.17,Thurs) Kinsale
Day 6 (2.6.17,Fri) Kinsale -Charles Fort and Cobb
Day 7 (3.6.17,Sat) Kenmare -Muckross House & Farm
Day 8 (4.6.17,Sun) Dingle -Ring of Kerry
Day 9 (5.6.17,Mon) Dingle -Dingle Peninsula
Day 10 (6.6.17,Tues) Dingle-Dingle Town
Day 11 (7.6.17,Wed) Galway -Cliff of Moher, the Burren, Dungaire Castle
Day 12 (8.6.17,Thurs) Connemara National Park
Day 13 (9.6.17,Fri) Connemara National Park
Day 14 (10.17,Sat) Dublin ( take the 5 pm flight)
Itinerary B:
Day 1 (28.5 .17, Sun) Dublin -Trinity College and Grafford St
Day 2 (29.5.17,Mon) Powerscout Estate,Wicklow National Park,
Day 3 (30.5.17,Tues)Kilkenny
Day 4 (31.5.17,Wed) Kensale
Day 5 (1.6.17,Thurs) Kenmare
Day 6 (2.6.17,Fri) Kenmare-Ring of Beara
Day 7 (3.6.17,Sat) Kenmare-Ring of Kerry
Day 8 (4.6.17,Sun) Killarney-Dingle Peninsula
Day 9 (5.6.17,Mon) Dingle-Cliff of Moher
Day 10 (6.6.17,Tues) Aran Island-Inishmor
Day 11 (7.6.17,Wed) Clifden- sky road,Connemara National Park
Day 12 (8.6.17,Thurs) Connemara National Park-Diamond Hill
Day 13 (9.6.17,Fri) Dublin
Day 14 (10.17,Sat) Dublin ( take the 5 pm flight)
My friends and I (6 females) are going to self drive in Ireland . This is our first trip to Europe. We love nature and beautiful landscapes . We also love short walks , countrysides and visit markets .We have 2 itineraries . Kindly advise us which one is better and doable.Any suggestions are welcomed... Thank you !
Itinerary A:
Day 1 (28.5 .17, Sun) Dublin
Day 2 (29.5.17,Mon) Kilkenny
Day 3 (30.5.17,Tues)Waterford
Day 4 (31.5.17,Wed) Waterford
Day 5 (1.6.17,Thurs) Kinsale
Day 6 (2.6.17,Fri) Kinsale -Charles Fort and Cobb
Day 7 (3.6.17,Sat) Kenmare -Muckross House & Farm
Day 8 (4.6.17,Sun) Dingle -Ring of Kerry
Day 9 (5.6.17,Mon) Dingle -Dingle Peninsula
Day 10 (6.6.17,Tues) Dingle-Dingle Town
Day 11 (7.6.17,Wed) Galway -Cliff of Moher, the Burren, Dungaire Castle
Day 12 (8.6.17,Thurs) Connemara National Park
Day 13 (9.6.17,Fri) Connemara National Park
Day 14 (10.17,Sat) Dublin ( take the 5 pm flight)
Itinerary B:
Day 1 (28.5 .17, Sun) Dublin -Trinity College and Grafford St
Day 2 (29.5.17,Mon) Powerscout Estate,Wicklow National Park,
Day 3 (30.5.17,Tues)Kilkenny
Day 4 (31.5.17,Wed) Kensale
Day 5 (1.6.17,Thurs) Kenmare
Day 6 (2.6.17,Fri) Kenmare-Ring of Beara
Day 7 (3.6.17,Sat) Kenmare-Ring of Kerry
Day 8 (4.6.17,Sun) Killarney-Dingle Peninsula
Day 9 (5.6.17,Mon) Dingle-Cliff of Moher
Day 10 (6.6.17,Tues) Aran Island-Inishmor
Day 11 (7.6.17,Wed) Clifden- sky road,Connemara National Park
Day 12 (8.6.17,Thurs) Connemara National Park-Diamond Hill
Day 13 (9.6.17,Fri) Dublin
Day 14 (10.17,Sat) Dublin ( take the 5 pm flight)
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6 people self drive, I vehicle means a 9 seat mini bus. I dread to think how much baggage 6 women think they need for 2 weeks in Ireland.. A 6 seat car has seats 5&6 in the baggage area so seats or bags. A VW Caravelle minibus isn't a big beast anyway but be aware thats what you will need.
I am guessing the new Rick Steves guide figured in your planning
Dublin I would say leave to the end.
Land Dublin drive straight to Kilkenny. Dont detour over the Wicklow mountain. go via the NationalStud/Japanese Gardens, Rock of Dunamass, Abbeyleix Kilnenny. 2 nights in Kilkenny gives the option of seeing the city middle day and then a few options to drive refreshed to Cork or Kinsale (if you must)
Kenmare is a good base for Beara but remember if using as a base for the Iveragh, Ring of Kerry, drive Counter (Anti) Clockwise.
1 night in Dingle is enough, I know everyone has to go there but its a base for Slea Head the town and nothing else.
I always say to Break the trip north from County Kerry to County Galway with a night in Clare and usually give Ennis as the best touring base for the County.
Using a South Clare base gives a full day to explore some of Clare on the way to Galway.
Inis Mor should be done from Rosaveal west of galway for the short bigger boats crossing.
If you are having 2 days which the Connemara deserves then use Clifden as a Base
Have your last 2 nights in/for Dublin ready to fly home.
I am guessing the new Rick Steves guide figured in your planning
Dublin I would say leave to the end.
Land Dublin drive straight to Kilkenny. Dont detour over the Wicklow mountain. go via the NationalStud/Japanese Gardens, Rock of Dunamass, Abbeyleix Kilnenny. 2 nights in Kilkenny gives the option of seeing the city middle day and then a few options to drive refreshed to Cork or Kinsale (if you must)
Kenmare is a good base for Beara but remember if using as a base for the Iveragh, Ring of Kerry, drive Counter (Anti) Clockwise.
1 night in Dingle is enough, I know everyone has to go there but its a base for Slea Head the town and nothing else.
I always say to Break the trip north from County Kerry to County Galway with a night in Clare and usually give Ennis as the best touring base for the County.
Using a South Clare base gives a full day to explore some of Clare on the way to Galway.
Inis Mor should be done from Rosaveal west of galway for the short bigger boats crossing.
If you are having 2 days which the Connemara deserves then use Clifden as a Base
Have your last 2 nights in/for Dublin ready to fly home.
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I too wonder if a 9 seater will big enough for 6 people plus luggage. You are going to have to agree before you leave that each person is limited to ONE piece of luggage.
If day 1 is supposedly spent in Dublin and day 2 is supposedly spent in Kilkenny, when pray tell are you going to move from Dublin to Kilkenny? The same applies to every other move you make.
You seem to be making the usual mistake of failing to count travel time. So when you say a day here or 2 days there, in fact it will not be a day or 2 days.
Moving a lot lets you tick names off a list. It does not let you spend time in places actually doing anything. Listing your days as you have without subtracting for travel time, lets you THINK you are going to spend time in places. It looks like you are going to spend every day in a place! As if 100% of your time will be put to best use. That is simply not the case at all.
Try this. Count your arrival day and departure day and a travel day every time you plan to move and see what you have left. Each time you move may not take up a whole day but it will certainly take up a significant part of a day and with 6 people to coordinate, I will bet it will take even longer.
In your first itinerary, you list 8 stops. That means 7 moves. Add arrival/departure days and you have up to 9 days that include moving. 9 out of 14 days will NOT be full days spent anywhere. Does that sound like best use of time to you?
If day 1 is supposedly spent in Dublin and day 2 is supposedly spent in Kilkenny, when pray tell are you going to move from Dublin to Kilkenny? The same applies to every other move you make.
You seem to be making the usual mistake of failing to count travel time. So when you say a day here or 2 days there, in fact it will not be a day or 2 days.
Moving a lot lets you tick names off a list. It does not let you spend time in places actually doing anything. Listing your days as you have without subtracting for travel time, lets you THINK you are going to spend time in places. It looks like you are going to spend every day in a place! As if 100% of your time will be put to best use. That is simply not the case at all.
Try this. Count your arrival day and departure day and a travel day every time you plan to move and see what you have left. Each time you move may not take up a whole day but it will certainly take up a significant part of a day and with 6 people to coordinate, I will bet it will take even longer.
In your first itinerary, you list 8 stops. That means 7 moves. Add arrival/departure days and you have up to 9 days that include moving. 9 out of 14 days will NOT be full days spent anywhere. Does that sound like best use of time to you?
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Thank you Tony2phones and Dogeared for your sensible and valuable advice. It looks like we need to rent 2 cars and replan our itinerary. So little time and so much to plan... Thank you again.
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The Caravelle isn't a frightening beast its narrower than the Qashqi that Us visitors love and not that much longer. don't dismiss the option. lots of room for 6 + baggage.
2 weeks is more time than lots of folk allow for your must see sights. If the only reason for Waterford is the Crystal factory, possibly miss Waterford. Kinsale and Dingle have former Waterford Craftsmen who have their own shop/workshops and possibly the only all Irish crystal Celtic Crystal outside Galway has tours mid week.
2 weeks is more time than lots of folk allow for your must see sights. If the only reason for Waterford is the Crystal factory, possibly miss Waterford. Kinsale and Dingle have former Waterford Craftsmen who have their own shop/workshops and possibly the only all Irish crystal Celtic Crystal outside Galway has tours mid week.
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Hi there,
Just wander is it a good idea to rent a car in Kilkenny city instead of Dublin? As we'll be reaching Dublin airport in the morning, we're thinking of taking a bus/train to the Kilkenny . We're worried about the jet lag if we drive direct from airport to Kilkenny. Please advise us.
Just wander is it a good idea to rent a car in Kilkenny city instead of Dublin? As we'll be reaching Dublin airport in the morning, we're thinking of taking a bus/train to the Kilkenny . We're worried about the jet lag if we drive direct from airport to Kilkenny. Please advise us.
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The only problem with collecting a car in Kilkenny is that there are only a couple of rental options.
One option could be to get the express bus from Dublin Airport on arrival and head to Cork.
2 days Cork, you could collect a van from Cork airport at any point maybe even morning 3, Cork/Cobh/Blarney/Kinsale are all reachable.
Cork to Kenmare or Killarney.
Killarney round Dingle to Listowel or Adare. I would push on to Ennis.
Via West Clare to Galway area consider Kinvara.
Clifden for the Connemara Base
Return to Dublin, possibly take a train to Kilkenny for a day trip.
Its a lot to fit into a couple of weeks but very achievable. You could of course reverse the whole thing and start with a bus direct to Galway from Dublin Airport ?
One option could be to get the express bus from Dublin Airport on arrival and head to Cork.
2 days Cork, you could collect a van from Cork airport at any point maybe even morning 3, Cork/Cobh/Blarney/Kinsale are all reachable.
Cork to Kenmare or Killarney.
Killarney round Dingle to Listowel or Adare. I would push on to Ennis.
Via West Clare to Galway area consider Kinvara.
Clifden for the Connemara Base
Return to Dublin, possibly take a train to Kilkenny for a day trip.
Its a lot to fit into a couple of weeks but very achievable. You could of course reverse the whole thing and start with a bus direct to Galway from Dublin Airport ?
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Dear all,
We have revised our itineray. It seemed the more we read, the more confused we become. Kindly advise on plans especially the the places marked ??? Are there doable ?
Itinerary :
Day 1 (28.5 .17, Sun) Arrive at the arrport about 9 am. Take the airport bus to the city. Check in the hostel . Take DART to Howth for Farmer Market, Howth Castle and Howth Summit. Overnight at Dublin.
Day 2 (29.5.17,Mon) Take expressbus to Cork Airport ,pick up the rental car and proceed to Kinsale. Visit Charles Fort. Overnight at Kinsale.
Day 3 (30.5.17,Tues) Proceed to Mizen Head, Beara Peninsula ??? Overnight at Kenmare.
Day 4 (31.5.17,Wed) Drive to MOLL’S GAP , stop at LADIES’ VIEW, visit TORC WATERFALL. Ovenight at Killarney.
Day 5 (1.6.17,Thurs) Drive to Ring of Kerry,stop at Ballinskellig Bay , visit the Skellig Chocolate Factory
Overnight at Portmagee.
Day 6 (2.6.17,Fri)Day 6 Dingle Peninsula drive and overnight at Dingle
Day 7 (3.6.17,Sat) visit Glanteenassing Forest Recreation Area . Overnight at Cloghane
Day 8 (4.6.17,Sun) (Loop Head ???) Dromore Wood. Overnight at Ennis
Day 9 (5.6.17,Mon) Visit Cliff of Mohr, Overnight at Galway City
Day 10 (6.6.17,Tues) Aran Island-Inishmor
Day 11 (7.6.17,Wed) Coastal drive Mac Head , visit Roundstone , sky road,overnight at Clifden
Day 12 (8.6.17,Thurs) Diamond Hill,Kylemore Abbey and overnight at Clifden
Day 13 (9.6.17,Fri) Drive to Dublin airport to return the car, visit Chester Beatty Library.
Day 14 (10.17,Sat) Phonix park( take the 5 pm flight)
Thank you in advance .
We have revised our itineray. It seemed the more we read, the more confused we become. Kindly advise on plans especially the the places marked ??? Are there doable ?
Itinerary :
Day 1 (28.5 .17, Sun) Arrive at the arrport about 9 am. Take the airport bus to the city. Check in the hostel . Take DART to Howth for Farmer Market, Howth Castle and Howth Summit. Overnight at Dublin.
Day 2 (29.5.17,Mon) Take expressbus to Cork Airport ,pick up the rental car and proceed to Kinsale. Visit Charles Fort. Overnight at Kinsale.
Day 3 (30.5.17,Tues) Proceed to Mizen Head, Beara Peninsula ??? Overnight at Kenmare.
Day 4 (31.5.17,Wed) Drive to MOLL’S GAP , stop at LADIES’ VIEW, visit TORC WATERFALL. Ovenight at Killarney.
Day 5 (1.6.17,Thurs) Drive to Ring of Kerry,stop at Ballinskellig Bay , visit the Skellig Chocolate Factory
Overnight at Portmagee.
Day 6 (2.6.17,Fri)Day 6 Dingle Peninsula drive and overnight at Dingle
Day 7 (3.6.17,Sat) visit Glanteenassing Forest Recreation Area . Overnight at Cloghane
Day 8 (4.6.17,Sun) (Loop Head ???) Dromore Wood. Overnight at Ennis
Day 9 (5.6.17,Mon) Visit Cliff of Mohr, Overnight at Galway City
Day 10 (6.6.17,Tues) Aran Island-Inishmor
Day 11 (7.6.17,Wed) Coastal drive Mac Head , visit Roundstone , sky road,overnight at Clifden
Day 12 (8.6.17,Thurs) Diamond Hill,Kylemore Abbey and overnight at Clifden
Day 13 (9.6.17,Fri) Drive to Dublin airport to return the car, visit Chester Beatty Library.
Day 14 (10.17,Sat) Phonix park( take the 5 pm flight)
Thank you in advance .
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Day 5 do the full ring so you have nights 4 and 5 in Killarney. I know this covers the Kenmare to Killarney stretch you have already marked but maybe use that part of day 4 for the National Park, Muckross House and Gardens, Ross Castle, Gap of Dunloe and just a quick visit to St Marys.
Cloghane works but I prefer Castlegregory the next bay along. Nice to see an alternative to Dingle getting a mention.
Listowel and the ferry crossing to Loop Head is an option to Adare and Bunratty on the way to Ennis but if taking the coast consider Lahinch or Ennistymon. Just because I love Ennis doesn't mean everyone has to go there.
There is a lot more to West Clare than 1/2 mile of tourist Cliff. 6 ladies should at least head towards Burren Perfumery? That and other points on my day tour of that area, https://goo.gl/maps/CHfaWgxDmmt
I really don't know why anyone would go to Mace Head?
Clifden and Connemara 2 days gives some scope. I have 4 day tour routes but some of the main points are included in https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Pz...x0&usp=sharing
Back to Dublin gives a couple of options.
Cloghane works but I prefer Castlegregory the next bay along. Nice to see an alternative to Dingle getting a mention.
Listowel and the ferry crossing to Loop Head is an option to Adare and Bunratty on the way to Ennis but if taking the coast consider Lahinch or Ennistymon. Just because I love Ennis doesn't mean everyone has to go there.
There is a lot more to West Clare than 1/2 mile of tourist Cliff. 6 ladies should at least head towards Burren Perfumery? That and other points on my day tour of that area, https://goo.gl/maps/CHfaWgxDmmt
I really don't know why anyone would go to Mace Head?
Clifden and Connemara 2 days gives some scope. I have 4 day tour routes but some of the main points are included in https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Pz...x0&usp=sharing
Back to Dublin gives a couple of options.
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Far too much moving for my taste but it's your dime and your time as they say.
I have this vision of any 6 women (or men, no sexist remark implied) getting up each morning and all being packed and ready to move on at the same time. Uh huh.
Then I try to envision it happening every single morning for 2 weeks. Somehow, I can't see it. You might as well try to herd 6 cats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8
I have this vision of any 6 women (or men, no sexist remark implied) getting up each morning and all being packed and ready to move on at the same time. Uh huh.
Then I try to envision it happening every single morning for 2 weeks. Somehow, I can't see it. You might as well try to herd 6 cats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7yqlTMvp8
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Thank you Tony and Dogeared for your advice.. We will consider Day 4 & 5 stay in Killarney, Day 6 & 7 stay in Dingle/Cloghane/Castlegregory, Day 8 Ennis/Lahinch/Ennistymon and Day 7 include Burren. Are we in the right path? Please advise.
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I think you have things about right. Yes its a lot of moving but you will cover less miles than someone using a base and backtracking and you can do it at your own pace. Point to point without the sights you have lots of little steps so deciding what are the must see's along the routes is the hardest thing.
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Dear All,
Thank you for all the helpful and valuable advice. It’s always a joy to get responses from the experienced travellers. I enjoy reading the replies. We want to make sure that our holidays is not spending mostly in the car or rushing from one point to another. So again we revised our itinerary. We plan 2 days (Day 4 &5) for the Ring of Kerry so we can really enjoy the scenery. Below is the plan. Kindly comment.
Day 1 (28.5 .17, Sun) Arrive at the airport about 9 am. Take the airport bus to the city. Check in the hostel. Take DART to Howth for Farmer Market, Howth Castle and Howth Summit. Overnight at Dublin.
Day 2 (29.5.17, Mon) Take express bus to Cork Airport, pick up the rental car and proceed to Glengariff/Bantry. Explore the village.
Day 3 (30.5.17, Tues) Proceed to Mizen Head, Beara Peninsula. Overnight at Glengariff/Bantry
Day 4 (31.5.17, Wed) Drive to MOLL’S GAP, Gap of Dunloe ,stop at LADIES’ VIEW, visit TORC WATERFALL. Exploring the National Park. Ovenight at Killarney.
Day 5 (1.6.17, Thurs) Drive to Ring of Kerry,stop at Ballinskellig Bay , visit the Skellig Chocolate Factory,Skellig Michael.Overnight at Portmagee.
Day 6 (2.6.17, Fri) Day 6 Dingle Peninsula drive and overnight at Dingle
Day 7 (3.6.17, Sat) visit Glanteenassing Forest Recreation Area . Overnight at Dingle
Day 8 (4.6.17, Sun) Loop Head , Dromore Wood. Overnight at Ennis/Ennistymon/Lahinch
Day 9 (5.6.17, Mon) Visit Cliff of Mohr (boat-ride), Burren. Overnight at Galway City
Day 10 (6.6.17, Tues) Aran Island-Inishmor
Day 11 (7.6.17, Wed) Visit Roundstone , sky road. Overnight at Clifden
Day 12 (8.6.17, Thurs) Diamond Hill,Kylemore Abbey and overnight at Clifden
Day 13 (9.6.17, Fri) Drive to Dublin airport to return the car, visit , Long Room, Book of Kerry and Chester Beatty Library.
Day 14 (10.17, Sat) Phonix Park ( take the 5 pm flight)
We have some questions, please help :
1. Is it better to stay in Glengariff/Bantry (Day 2 and Day 3) in terms of saving driving time and scenery?
2. Day 3 can we covered mizzen and Beara Peninsula in a day?
2. Is Day 5 doable? Too many places to cover?
Thank you in advance.
Thank you for all the helpful and valuable advice. It’s always a joy to get responses from the experienced travellers. I enjoy reading the replies. We want to make sure that our holidays is not spending mostly in the car or rushing from one point to another. So again we revised our itinerary. We plan 2 days (Day 4 &5) for the Ring of Kerry so we can really enjoy the scenery. Below is the plan. Kindly comment.
Day 1 (28.5 .17, Sun) Arrive at the airport about 9 am. Take the airport bus to the city. Check in the hostel. Take DART to Howth for Farmer Market, Howth Castle and Howth Summit. Overnight at Dublin.
Day 2 (29.5.17, Mon) Take express bus to Cork Airport, pick up the rental car and proceed to Glengariff/Bantry. Explore the village.
Day 3 (30.5.17, Tues) Proceed to Mizen Head, Beara Peninsula. Overnight at Glengariff/Bantry
Day 4 (31.5.17, Wed) Drive to MOLL’S GAP, Gap of Dunloe ,stop at LADIES’ VIEW, visit TORC WATERFALL. Exploring the National Park. Ovenight at Killarney.
Day 5 (1.6.17, Thurs) Drive to Ring of Kerry,stop at Ballinskellig Bay , visit the Skellig Chocolate Factory,Skellig Michael.Overnight at Portmagee.
Day 6 (2.6.17, Fri) Day 6 Dingle Peninsula drive and overnight at Dingle
Day 7 (3.6.17, Sat) visit Glanteenassing Forest Recreation Area . Overnight at Dingle
Day 8 (4.6.17, Sun) Loop Head , Dromore Wood. Overnight at Ennis/Ennistymon/Lahinch
Day 9 (5.6.17, Mon) Visit Cliff of Mohr (boat-ride), Burren. Overnight at Galway City
Day 10 (6.6.17, Tues) Aran Island-Inishmor
Day 11 (7.6.17, Wed) Visit Roundstone , sky road. Overnight at Clifden
Day 12 (8.6.17, Thurs) Diamond Hill,Kylemore Abbey and overnight at Clifden
Day 13 (9.6.17, Fri) Drive to Dublin airport to return the car, visit , Long Room, Book of Kerry and Chester Beatty Library.
Day 14 (10.17, Sat) Phonix Park ( take the 5 pm flight)
We have some questions, please help :
1. Is it better to stay in Glengariff/Bantry (Day 2 and Day 3) in terms of saving driving time and scenery?
2. Day 3 can we covered mizzen and Beara Peninsula in a day?
2. Is Day 5 doable? Too many places to cover?
Thank you in advance.