Italy: Siena, (Montepulciano vs. Lucca), Cinque Terre, Florence
Jul 5th, 2010, 01:54 AM
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Italy: Siena, (Montepulciano vs. Lucca), Cinque Terre, Florence
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My boyfriend and I are going to Italy this summer. We only have 8 days because we have to return to work and I want to get the most out of our trip without doing too much. We dont really like museums or shopping(not a focus on that for this trip so only one day in florence) but really like to be active and outdoors and love wine... so we are focusing most of our time in the wine country.
My biggest question right now is deciding whether to go to Montepulciano or Lucca for 2 nights in the middle of our trip. I have sort of fallen in love with a certain hotel and the city of Montepulciano itself so am drawn toward that. Lucca is only a consideration to make our driving time to the Cinque Terre shorter but no instincitve draw to go there other than biking around the city and seeing Pisa.... then again I havnt been to any of these places so maybe I am way off.
We are also debating between biking from Siena to Arrezzo or Siena to Volterra/ San Gimignano for a day trip so would love suggestions on which is a better option.
Other than that, any restaurant suggestions and "must see's (please limit museum suggestions!.. but we do like architecture) in any of these places would be greatly appreciated. We are renting a car so have quite a bit of flexibility when we need it but dont want to be running around all over the place too much...
Here is the plan: Thanks for all suggestions!
Italy 2010
8 days
Day 1: (Aug 30)
Arrive Florence 1pm
Pick up rental car, drive to Agritourismo Marciano in Siena (5 min from Siena)
- Dinner at Agritourismo, wine cellar and winery tour at Agritourismo, possible trip into Siena to pick up bikes for next day
Day 2: (Aug 31)
Early rise for bike ride to Castellina and Radda in Chianti (lunch in one of the two towns) return to Siena, evening walk around and dinner in Siena.
Day3: (Sept 1)
Option 1: Early rise for bike ride to Arrezzo walk around and dinner in Arezzo, train to Siena with bikes
Option 2: Early rise for bike ride to Volterra and/or San Gimignano (lunch and dinner in one of each) , return to Siena on train with bikes
Day 4: (Sept 2)
Morning walking around sites in Siena, Drive to Montepulciano before lunch. Check into Locanda de SanFransesco and winery tour/wine tasting. Evening walk around Montepulciano, Copper store, dinner in town.
Day 5: (Sept 3)
Dive to Pienza, walk around town and morning hike or bike ride, drive to Montalcino, dinner in Montalcino, return to Montepulciano.
Day 6: (Sept 4)
Drive to Cinque Terre, drive by Volterra / Sam Gimignano if did not do bike ride there. Check into I Limoni, Riamagorre. Afternoon hike in CT, dinner in one of the towns, hike or boat back to hotel.
Day 7: (Sept 5)
Early rise for entire hike on upper trail across CT and Portofino if have time. Train or boat back to hotel… relax!!!
Day 8: (Sept 6)
Drive to Florence Early morning, return car in Florence, Check into hotel (near Duomo downtown). Visit Florence sites all day.
Day 9: (Sept 7)
Taxi to Airport
My boyfriend and I are going to Italy this summer. We only have 8 days because we have to return to work and I want to get the most out of our trip without doing too much. We dont really like museums or shopping(not a focus on that for this trip so only one day in florence) but really like to be active and outdoors and love wine... so we are focusing most of our time in the wine country.
My biggest question right now is deciding whether to go to Montepulciano or Lucca for 2 nights in the middle of our trip. I have sort of fallen in love with a certain hotel and the city of Montepulciano itself so am drawn toward that. Lucca is only a consideration to make our driving time to the Cinque Terre shorter but no instincitve draw to go there other than biking around the city and seeing Pisa.... then again I havnt been to any of these places so maybe I am way off.
We are also debating between biking from Siena to Arrezzo or Siena to Volterra/ San Gimignano for a day trip so would love suggestions on which is a better option.
Other than that, any restaurant suggestions and "must see's (please limit museum suggestions!.. but we do like architecture) in any of these places would be greatly appreciated. We are renting a car so have quite a bit of flexibility when we need it but dont want to be running around all over the place too much...
Here is the plan: Thanks for all suggestions!
Italy 2010
8 days
Day 1: (Aug 30)
Arrive Florence 1pm
Pick up rental car, drive to Agritourismo Marciano in Siena (5 min from Siena)
- Dinner at Agritourismo, wine cellar and winery tour at Agritourismo, possible trip into Siena to pick up bikes for next day
Day 2: (Aug 31)
Early rise for bike ride to Castellina and Radda in Chianti (lunch in one of the two towns) return to Siena, evening walk around and dinner in Siena.
Day3: (Sept 1)
Option 1: Early rise for bike ride to Arrezzo walk around and dinner in Arezzo, train to Siena with bikes
Option 2: Early rise for bike ride to Volterra and/or San Gimignano (lunch and dinner in one of each) , return to Siena on train with bikes
Day 4: (Sept 2)
Morning walking around sites in Siena, Drive to Montepulciano before lunch. Check into Locanda de SanFransesco and winery tour/wine tasting. Evening walk around Montepulciano, Copper store, dinner in town.
Day 5: (Sept 3)
Dive to Pienza, walk around town and morning hike or bike ride, drive to Montalcino, dinner in Montalcino, return to Montepulciano.
Day 6: (Sept 4)
Drive to Cinque Terre, drive by Volterra / Sam Gimignano if did not do bike ride there. Check into I Limoni, Riamagorre. Afternoon hike in CT, dinner in one of the towns, hike or boat back to hotel.
Day 7: (Sept 5)
Early rise for entire hike on upper trail across CT and Portofino if have time. Train or boat back to hotel… relax!!!
Day 8: (Sept 6)
Drive to Florence Early morning, return car in Florence, Check into hotel (near Duomo downtown). Visit Florence sites all day.
Day 9: (Sept 7)
Taxi to Airport
Jul 5th, 2010, 02:32 AM
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I've never been to Montepulciano so I can't give you a comparison.
We just returned from 10 days based in Florence with daytrips and overnighters (keeping our base in Florence for convenience).
One of our overnighters consisted of going from Florence to Lucca with a quick one hour stop in Pisa to see the Tower. We used the little-known Pisa San Rossore train station and that saved a lot of time as it's 10 minutes from the Tower.
We found Lucca to be a quiet, beautiful little city with many nice, clean squares. We wandered thru the main street of the town and when we got to the other end we rented bikes and rode around the town on the wall.
I climbe the Torre Guinigi for great views of the town and surrounding countryside.
We really enjoyed our few hours there.
From Lucca we continued on to La Spezia (not much of a tourist town) where we stayed over for our one-day visit to Cinque Terre.
What a change of pace that was. Spectacular sunset views, Riomaggiore, dinner outdoors facing the ocean. We hike three segments (between three town starting from the south and then back to the second) and took the ferry to Portovenere.
I can tell you that this segment will give you several sights you'll remember.
We just returned from 10 days based in Florence with daytrips and overnighters (keeping our base in Florence for convenience).
One of our overnighters consisted of going from Florence to Lucca with a quick one hour stop in Pisa to see the Tower. We used the little-known Pisa San Rossore train station and that saved a lot of time as it's 10 minutes from the Tower.
We found Lucca to be a quiet, beautiful little city with many nice, clean squares. We wandered thru the main street of the town and when we got to the other end we rented bikes and rode around the town on the wall.
I climbe the Torre Guinigi for great views of the town and surrounding countryside.
We really enjoyed our few hours there.
From Lucca we continued on to La Spezia (not much of a tourist town) where we stayed over for our one-day visit to Cinque Terre.
What a change of pace that was. Spectacular sunset views, Riomaggiore, dinner outdoors facing the ocean. We hike three segments (between three town starting from the south and then back to the second) and took the ferry to Portovenere.
I can tell you that this segment will give you several sights you'll remember.
Jul 5th, 2010, 03:08 AM
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No train in Volterra or San G. so you won't be training back from those places.
It would make more sense to start in Montepulciano, then Siena, then CT if you are flying out of Florence.
I think you will like biking in the Siena province (includes Montepulciano, Pienza, Montalcino,etc.)better than Lucca. There are lots of bike races/events that go through the area.
http://www.cicloposse.com/
It would make more sense to start in Montepulciano, then Siena, then CT if you are flying out of Florence.
I think you will like biking in the Siena province (includes Montepulciano, Pienza, Montalcino,etc.)better than Lucca. There are lots of bike races/events that go through the area.
http://www.cicloposse.com/
Jul 5th, 2010, 10:33 AM
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First of all, there are no museums of any importance in either Montepulciano or Lucca, so don't fear anything.
Montepulciano is pretty, but has become way too touristy for my taste, which affects dining options in the first place, but of course also the general atmosphere. The architecture is less important than the townscape (a steeeeeep hilltown), with the notable exception of S. Biagio (outside the walls), which is a really remarkable Renaissance church.
Lucca used to be Tuscany's most boring town, but has changed very favourably over the last years and is now actually a jewel - so forget about any older reviews! It's now a lively yet elegant place, and the architecture of the three major churches has always been absolutely great (all three are Romanesque, and S. Michele in Foro, above all, is certainly among Italy's best Romanesque facades); then there's that square that has been built into the town's ancient Roman theater (which is still partly visible outside), one of Tuscany's most beautiful squares no doubt; Torre Guinigi, mentioned above (one of those medieval tower houses that S. Gimignano is so famous for). And the food is just excellent in Lucca, if that matters for you.
So while I'd prefer to see both of them, if the choice is really Lucca vs. Montepulciano, my vote for Lucca.
Montepulciano is pretty, but has become way too touristy for my taste, which affects dining options in the first place, but of course also the general atmosphere. The architecture is less important than the townscape (a steeeeeep hilltown), with the notable exception of S. Biagio (outside the walls), which is a really remarkable Renaissance church.
Lucca used to be Tuscany's most boring town, but has changed very favourably over the last years and is now actually a jewel - so forget about any older reviews! It's now a lively yet elegant place, and the architecture of the three major churches has always been absolutely great (all three are Romanesque, and S. Michele in Foro, above all, is certainly among Italy's best Romanesque facades); then there's that square that has been built into the town's ancient Roman theater (which is still partly visible outside), one of Tuscany's most beautiful squares no doubt; Torre Guinigi, mentioned above (one of those medieval tower houses that S. Gimignano is so famous for). And the food is just excellent in Lucca, if that matters for you.
So while I'd prefer to see both of them, if the choice is really Lucca vs. Montepulciano, my vote for Lucca.
Jul 5th, 2010, 02:15 PM
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Another thought on your bike & hike tours... you're always planning to return after dinner. Are you aware that you cannot dine at 5 or 6 pm in Italy? You'd be considered, and what's worse: treated like a complete nutcase, even in restaurants that are open at that hour, which is rarely the case. Many serious restaurants don't even open before 8 or 8.30 pm, and don't necessarily expect you to eat that early - dinner time, in most of Italy is 9 pm, and dinner will take 2 or 2.5 hours. Hiking/training back after that?
Jul 5th, 2010, 02:36 PM
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We stayed in Montepulciano last month and it was lovely. The place that you mentioned looked wonderful. The roads looked narrow for biking but I assume you have done a lot of biking and you will be fine. We saw cyclists in Tuscany and outside of Montepulciano. We also stayed in Manarola two years ago at La Toretta. I highly recommend although it is a difficult reservation to get without lots of lead time. You might want to go to a cycling web site (or lonely planet forum) for more biking information. And someone said something about eating early because of being on bikes, but sounds like you are not riding back but taking trains back to your hotels.
Jul 5th, 2010, 10:03 PM
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Wow! Thank you to everyone for you thoughts and commments / recs! We have a biking Italy book with suggested rides- and are fairly athletic people so hopefully we will survive-! We didn't have alot of options as to when to take this trip so we will have to make the best of it!
Also, I am a little worried now that the choice to go to Montepulciano over Lucca was the wrong one. We already have a great hotel in Montepulciano with a wine tour booked (and we are big into wine) but some of these comments have made me second guess that decision.. Anyone with very strong opinions either way?
Also, Has anyone been to Arrezzo? Any thoughts on whether it is better to go there or san gimignano/volterra?
Does anyone have driving directions for the best route from montepulciano to the cinque terre?
Maybe with a stop in lucca for lunch?
Macdogmom- thanks for the bode of confidence about montepulciano! I am very excited about the place we are staying... It looks great. Any thoughts on where to eat when we are there? Did you go to Pienza?
Also, I am a little worried now that the choice to go to Montepulciano over Lucca was the wrong one. We already have a great hotel in Montepulciano with a wine tour booked (and we are big into wine) but some of these comments have made me second guess that decision.. Anyone with very strong opinions either way?
Also, Has anyone been to Arrezzo? Any thoughts on whether it is better to go there or san gimignano/volterra?
Does anyone have driving directions for the best route from montepulciano to the cinque terre?
Maybe with a stop in lucca for lunch?
Macdogmom- thanks for the bode of confidence about montepulciano! I am very excited about the place we are staying... It looks great. Any thoughts on where to eat when we are there? Did you go to Pienza?
Jul 5th, 2010, 11:06 PM
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The difference between Arezzo -- which is lovely and less touristed these days than San Gimignano and Volterra -- is the steepness of the climb. Arezzo is not a hilltown, even though it sits on a slope. Both San Gimignano and Volterra sit at the peaks of mountains.
You mentioned in your original post that you were contemplating hiking through all five towns of Cinque Terre in one day and then marching onward to Portofino, It's simply not possible. What you could do is hike the length of le Cinque Terre (usually takes 5 hours) and then take a train to Santa Margherita Ligure or Camogli to hike inside the Portofino park. But you would need to be very mindful of sunset times and boat schedules. There is no light inside the Portofino park once the sun goes down, and trails -- which can be cliffside walks -- would be too dangerous to walk.
If wine is a big deal for you, the area of Montepulciano is considered to have the better wine (as opposed to Lucca). I would not let the choice of a hotel govern your decision however. There are beautiful hotels in beautiful settings in every corner of Tuscany.
You mentioned in your original post that you were contemplating hiking through all five towns of Cinque Terre in one day and then marching onward to Portofino, It's simply not possible. What you could do is hike the length of le Cinque Terre (usually takes 5 hours) and then take a train to Santa Margherita Ligure or Camogli to hike inside the Portofino park. But you would need to be very mindful of sunset times and boat schedules. There is no light inside the Portofino park once the sun goes down, and trails -- which can be cliffside walks -- would be too dangerous to walk.
If wine is a big deal for you, the area of Montepulciano is considered to have the better wine (as opposed to Lucca). I would not let the choice of a hotel govern your decision however. There are beautiful hotels in beautiful settings in every corner of Tuscany.
Jul 6th, 2010, 12:29 AM
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Mappy and ViaMichelin have pedestrian and cycle features to plot your route.
http://en.mappy.com/#p=itinerary_homepage
www.viamichelin.com
Many of the postcards you see of Tuscany are from the Montalcino/Pienza/Montepulciano area.
http://www.slowtrav.com/italy/tuscany/cypress_roads.htm
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/46...8247e4b1d4.jpg
The views from this wine bar in Montalcino are great. You can do wine flights of the Brunellos and other Tuscan wines.
http://www.osticcio.com/
http://en.mappy.com/#p=itinerary_homepage
www.viamichelin.com
Many of the postcards you see of Tuscany are from the Montalcino/Pienza/Montepulciano area.
http://www.slowtrav.com/italy/tuscany/cypress_roads.htm
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/33/46...8247e4b1d4.jpg
The views from this wine bar in Montalcino are great. You can do wine flights of the Brunellos and other Tuscan wines.
http://www.osticcio.com/
Jul 6th, 2010, 03:25 AM
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The best restaurant in Montepulciano (and actually, in that entire part of Tuscany) is Borgobuio (www.borgobuio.it). But believe me, food is a particularly strong point in favour of Lucca - in Lucca, nobody would talk about Borgobuio. Excellent choices there are Mecenate (www.ristorantemecenate.it) and Giulio in Pelleria (no website, Via delle Conce, 45, closed Sunday & Monday).
As far as wine, do you know Tuscan wine? To be honest, as a wine lover, I'm going to Umbria, not Tuscany; and if Tuscany, only the far south (Pitigliano) for some hearty rustic wines. The famous Tuscans, IMO, are either way overrated or way overpriced or (mostly) both at the same time. Of course, if you are specifically into Tuscan wine, then you cannot skip Montepulciano since Vino Nobile is perhaps the one of the three "big" Tuscans that has been least distorted by enological "plastic surgery". Still distorted enough, for me; winemakers in Chianti, Montalcino and also Montepulciano seem to have been so embarassed by the natural taste of their wines that they deliberately and completely altered their character so to achieve confoundable "international-style" products, a pretty industrial concept of viticulture.
As far as wine, do you know Tuscan wine? To be honest, as a wine lover, I'm going to Umbria, not Tuscany; and if Tuscany, only the far south (Pitigliano) for some hearty rustic wines. The famous Tuscans, IMO, are either way overrated or way overpriced or (mostly) both at the same time. Of course, if you are specifically into Tuscan wine, then you cannot skip Montepulciano since Vino Nobile is perhaps the one of the three "big" Tuscans that has been least distorted by enological "plastic surgery". Still distorted enough, for me; winemakers in Chianti, Montalcino and also Montepulciano seem to have been so embarassed by the natural taste of their wines that they deliberately and completely altered their character so to achieve confoundable "international-style" products, a pretty industrial concept of viticulture.
Jul 6th, 2010, 03:31 AM
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I agree I'd rather be in Umbria for wine, but I don't think all Tuscan Chianti (or any Morellino di Scansano) is overrated. If anything, they are underrated in many cases, but you do have to get the real unadulterated stuff.
Jul 6th, 2010, 03:34 AM
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(Franco, here is a link to a 3-part interview Fred Plotkin recently did for the NYTimes regarding food all over Italy. Fun read. Scroll down a bit)
http://www.fredplotkin.com/fredplotk..._Traveler.html
http://www.fredplotkin.com/fredplotk..._Traveler.html
Jul 6th, 2010, 03:50 AM
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zeppole, agree about Morellino di Scansano, but that's not one of the "big three". It's from the far south of Tuscany, and not far from Pitigliano...
I know you don't love the food of Lucca, but you should really try the two places I recommended above, and come back to tell us what you thought. I bet you'll change your mind!
I know you don't love the food of Lucca, but you should really try the two places I recommended above, and come back to tell us what you thought. I bet you'll change your mind!
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Thank you all for your thoughts... I'm thinking we are not going to starve anywhere we go in Italy so I'm gonna stick with my gut and go for the wine and scenery in Montepulciano. Also, I like the less touristy option of Arrezzo - I think we will go with that. Thanks again all! Any other imputbis always welcome !
