Italy, Milan, Venice, Florence, Rome--frist time traveler needs help!
Jan 9th, 2014, 09:07 PM
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Italy, Milan, Venice, Florence, Rome--frist time traveler needs help!
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I have an opportunity to travel to Milan for 10 days with a friend third week of April. I would love any suggestions for day trips, may one or two night stays to perhaps Switzerland, Lake Como, any other suggestions. Someone mentioned Turin. Has anyone visited there recently. How would we get there (definitely don't want to drive). How much $ would traveling from Milan to these areas cost? What are sties we should definitely not miss while in Milan. Friend wants to see Last Supper, otherwise no other set plans. We're also trying to spend wisely and on a little bit of a tight budget.
Then DH will be meeting me in Italy for another two weeks. Would love to visit Rome, Venice, Florence and we need help with planning to make the best of our first visit to Italy. He would like to see Pompeii and we were thinking of skipping Pisa, should we? Any suggestions and tips are very much needed and appreciated. We like 4-5* hotels but to me as long as its clean, comfortable bed, safe and good location. Would it still be too cold to go the Amalfi Coast, Cinque Terre. I would like to get away to some romantic area and not so touristy for part of trip.
Also, any suggestions on planning where to met up as I would be traveling by myself via train I guess and then what city to start and end with return flight to Florida.
Thank you in advance. Ciao!
I have an opportunity to travel to Milan for 10 days with a friend third week of April. I would love any suggestions for day trips, may one or two night stays to perhaps Switzerland, Lake Como, any other suggestions. Someone mentioned Turin. Has anyone visited there recently. How would we get there (definitely don't want to drive). How much $ would traveling from Milan to these areas cost? What are sties we should definitely not miss while in Milan. Friend wants to see Last Supper, otherwise no other set plans. We're also trying to spend wisely and on a little bit of a tight budget.
Then DH will be meeting me in Italy for another two weeks. Would love to visit Rome, Venice, Florence and we need help with planning to make the best of our first visit to Italy. He would like to see Pompeii and we were thinking of skipping Pisa, should we? Any suggestions and tips are very much needed and appreciated. We like 4-5* hotels but to me as long as its clean, comfortable bed, safe and good location. Would it still be too cold to go the Amalfi Coast, Cinque Terre. I would like to get away to some romantic area and not so touristy for part of trip.
Also, any suggestions on planning where to met up as I would be traveling by myself via train I guess and then what city to start and end with return flight to Florida.
Thank you in advance. Ciao!
Jan 9th, 2014, 09:27 PM
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Italy has an excellent train system. You can check the travel times and costs yourself via the system's official web site:
http://www.trenitalia.com/
(then click on the British flag for English language.)
Hint: if checking Florence, use the Italian spelling "Firenze."
Also, you can't check prices too far out. If you want to see the prices for April and they aren't available yet, check the price for a similar train going a month from today. Regional trains may be available on some routes and be cheaper but slower than other trains.
To check train connections to other nearby countries, use the German train website www.bahn.de/en (their site has the schedules for many countries).
If you don't want to see Pisa, skip it. Some people feel compelled to go just to see the Tower. I actually enjoyed the town and spent a few nights there, though I wouldn't call it a highlight of my travels to Italy.
http://www.trenitalia.com/
(then click on the British flag for English language.)
Hint: if checking Florence, use the Italian spelling "Firenze."
Also, you can't check prices too far out. If you want to see the prices for April and they aren't available yet, check the price for a similar train going a month from today. Regional trains may be available on some routes and be cheaper but slower than other trains.
To check train connections to other nearby countries, use the German train website www.bahn.de/en (their site has the schedules for many countries).
If you don't want to see Pisa, skip it. Some people feel compelled to go just to see the Tower. I actually enjoyed the town and spent a few nights there, though I wouldn't call it a highlight of my travels to Italy.
Jan 9th, 2014, 09:39 PM
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For tain, used www.trenitalia.com, plug in, for example, Milano-Torino, using a day next week, you see a list of hourly departures at 19€ one way.
You know that you need/should get a reservation to <b>The Last Supper</b>? The reservations are current available to end of March. On Jan 21, they will open reservation for April:
www.vivaticket.it/index.php?nvpg[evento]&id_evento=1212242&idt=744&change_language=1 (sorry you have to cut and paste)
All your destinations are touristy. And if you have a doubt about Pisa, it is probably a good one to take off your list unless you have interests other than the leaning tower such as the Duomo and the Camposanto Cemetery.
Regarding hotel stars. Do you know that the star rating is a facility rating in Italy? Having all rooms large, staff speaking multiple languages, having parking space, having onsite restaurant, etc, adds to the stars. It has nothing to do with whether they are acceptable or having value to you. You might be assured a large but tired worn out room at a 4* hotel while you might get a charming and just as large room at a 3* hotel in a prime location.
You know that you need/should get a reservation to <b>The Last Supper</b>? The reservations are current available to end of March. On Jan 21, they will open reservation for April:
www.vivaticket.it/index.php?nvpg[evento]&id_evento=1212242&idt=744&change_language=1 (sorry you have to cut and paste)
All your destinations are touristy. And if you have a doubt about Pisa, it is probably a good one to take off your list unless you have interests other than the leaning tower such as the Duomo and the Camposanto Cemetery.
Regarding hotel stars. Do you know that the star rating is a facility rating in Italy? Having all rooms large, staff speaking multiple languages, having parking space, having onsite restaurant, etc, adds to the stars. It has nothing to do with whether they are acceptable or having value to you. You might be assured a large but tired worn out room at a 4* hotel while you might get a charming and just as large room at a 3* hotel in a prime location.
Jan 10th, 2014, 06:14 AM
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Also take the advice of www.seat61.com for ticket-buying strategies anywhere railways run.
Jan 10th, 2014, 08:36 AM
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You need to think about where you want to be (or NOT want to be) from Good Friday through Easter Monday (April 18-21). Also, Friday, April 25th, and Thursday, May 1st, are national holidays. Many Italians will be travelling over these 2 weeks.
I would be making itinerary and hotel choices ASAP.
I would be making itinerary and hotel choices ASAP.
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Another, 'I want to do everything in one trip' post.
Well that ain't gonna happen NCris unless you think 'doing' a place can be done in a day or two. So my advice is slow down, prioritize your places of interest to you and then figure out how many you can reasonably expect to visit on THIS trip.
Most people come up with a long list of places they think they would like to visit and then try to FIT that list into a given period of time. As a result they almost always end up not seeing much of anything.
The common phrase used is, 'to see as much as possible'. But the word 'much' is not synonymous with the word, 'many'. The way to see as much as possible, is to spend your time IN places, not BETWEEN places. Every time you move you lose time that could have been spent IN a place. So in travel, less is always more. Move less, see/do more.
I suggest you plan to spend no less than 4 nights/3 full days in any place. Using that as a guide your 24 days minus your arrival and departure day will mean planning on visiting no more than 7 places. Now take the top 7 from your list and you're done.
Once you have done that you will be able to present a reasonble plan for people to comment on. As it is, what you have written is all over the place.
You MUST pre-book for the Last Supper, you will not get in otherwise.
From Milan you could visit Lake Maggiore in Switzerland OR Lake Como in Italy OR Lake Garda but if you do, forget a day trip or an overnight. Go for 4 nights as per the above. Otherwise, the amount of time spent going to/from vs. IN a place is not a good balance. In other words, if you're gonna do something, do it right or not at all.
Having visited all three of those examples, my personal favourite is Maggiore on the Swiss side. Specifically, the town of Ascona. But it is YOU that will have to decide which you think you would like most and you certainly aren't going to get the answer to that here. There is no shortcut to doing your OWN research. If you ask, 'which of those 3' here, you'll get 33% favouring each probably.
Regarding flights, obviously you will fly to Milan, the only question is where to return from. Probably Rome given your parameters, would make the most sense.
Well that ain't gonna happen NCris unless you think 'doing' a place can be done in a day or two. So my advice is slow down, prioritize your places of interest to you and then figure out how many you can reasonably expect to visit on THIS trip.
Most people come up with a long list of places they think they would like to visit and then try to FIT that list into a given period of time. As a result they almost always end up not seeing much of anything.
The common phrase used is, 'to see as much as possible'. But the word 'much' is not synonymous with the word, 'many'. The way to see as much as possible, is to spend your time IN places, not BETWEEN places. Every time you move you lose time that could have been spent IN a place. So in travel, less is always more. Move less, see/do more.
I suggest you plan to spend no less than 4 nights/3 full days in any place. Using that as a guide your 24 days minus your arrival and departure day will mean planning on visiting no more than 7 places. Now take the top 7 from your list and you're done.
Once you have done that you will be able to present a reasonble plan for people to comment on. As it is, what you have written is all over the place.
You MUST pre-book for the Last Supper, you will not get in otherwise.
From Milan you could visit Lake Maggiore in Switzerland OR Lake Como in Italy OR Lake Garda but if you do, forget a day trip or an overnight. Go for 4 nights as per the above. Otherwise, the amount of time spent going to/from vs. IN a place is not a good balance. In other words, if you're gonna do something, do it right or not at all.
Having visited all three of those examples, my personal favourite is Maggiore on the Swiss side. Specifically, the town of Ascona. But it is YOU that will have to decide which you think you would like most and you certainly aren't going to get the answer to that here. There is no shortcut to doing your OWN research. If you ask, 'which of those 3' here, you'll get 33% favouring each probably.
Regarding flights, obviously you will fly to Milan, the only question is where to return from. Probably Rome given your parameters, would make the most sense.
Jan 10th, 2014, 09:42 AM
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I have a wonderful 2-bedroom apartment to recommend in Milan. Good area, terrific host, reasonable rent:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/VacationR..._Lombardy.html
A nice day trip from Milan is Bergamo, which is quite romantic and not overrun with tourists, by the way.
Yes, skip Pisa. Definitely do Venice. If Pompeii is desired, do it. In Naples do not miss the Archeological Museum.
For the 2 weeks with DH, I suggest:
4 nights - Venice (assuming jet lag)
3 nights - Florence
5 nights - Rome
2 nights - Naples/Pompeii
Find your romantic/untouristy place in vicinity of one of these major stops. And fly open-jaws of course.
http://www.tripadvisor.com/VacationR..._Lombardy.html
A nice day trip from Milan is Bergamo, which is quite romantic and not overrun with tourists, by the way.
Yes, skip Pisa. Definitely do Venice. If Pompeii is desired, do it. In Naples do not miss the Archeological Museum.
For the 2 weeks with DH, I suggest:
4 nights - Venice (assuming jet lag)
3 nights - Florence
5 nights - Rome
2 nights - Naples/Pompeii
Find your romantic/untouristy place in vicinity of one of these major stops. And fly open-jaws of course.
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If you're flying into Milan, I suggest getting a multi-city (or open jaws) flight departing from Rome. After your ten days in the Milan area, you can get to Venice easily by train.
Como is very easily reached from Milan; there is service to Como San Giovanni (and maybe some other stations) on the Trenitalia trains, and there is also a local railway called Milano Nord which makes stops at other towns on the lake. I'm not very familiar with these trains, so maybe someone else can help with that.
Torino is a very nice city, but perhaps not everyone would find it exciting. I liked it a lot. It has one of the world's best museums of ancient Egyptian civilization, if that interests you.
I once traveled from Milan to Lucerne, and the train ride through the Alps was spectacular. However, I don't know if the weather is reliably good in April. It's a bit far for a day trip (minimum of four hours each way), otherwise you could decide on the spot. There are direct trains from Milan to Brig (about two hours) and you can change there for trains to elsewhere (Basel, Lucerne, and other places). If you just want a beautiful ride through the Alps, you could maybe stop in Brig, which is supposed to have a beautiful town center, although I've never seen it. Others may have a better suggestion for a day trip into Switzerland.
At that time of year, the Amalfi Coast should have pleasant weather, but there are no guarantees. I would suggest visiting there rather than the Cinque Terre, because there's a better chance of good weather, and because there are at least a few things you could do if it rains. If you also want to see Pompeii, Sorrento is a good base. From there, you can visit the Amalfi Coast by bus or boat, and also easily get to Pompeii by the local Circumvesuviana train. Depending on where you stay, you would take a train from Rome to either Naples or Salerno, and then the Circumvesuviana, a bus, a boat, or some combination.
On the route between Venice-Florence-Rome-Naples (Venezia-Firenze-Roma-Napoli) there are now two train operators. The English language sites for both are:
http://www.trenitalia.com/cms/v/inde...005817f90aRCRD
http://www.italotreno.it/EN/Pages/default.aspx
The stations that you probably would want to use are Milano Centrale, Venezia Santa Lucia, Firenze Santa Maria Novella, Roma Termini, and Napoli Centrale.
In Rome, Italo has no service at the central Termini Station, so you might want to use Trenitalia when arriving or departing from there, depending on where you're staying. Italo also has no regional trains (yet) and no service between Milan and Venice.
Both companies offer good discounts for advance purchase, but their discounted tickets cannot be changed or refunded, so unless you are pretty sure of your itinerary, you might want to pay full price for refundable tickets.
Regional train tickets never have discounts, and never sell out, so you should not buy them in advance. Just get them at a train station; they're good on any regional train on the route, but you have to stamp them in a machine just before boarding the train. This is important, because without the time stamp, it looks as though you're hoping to use the ticket another time in the future, which incurs a heavy fine.
Pisa is an easy day (or half-day) trip by regional train from Florence, so you could decide when you're there whether you want to visit Pisa or not.
Como is very easily reached from Milan; there is service to Como San Giovanni (and maybe some other stations) on the Trenitalia trains, and there is also a local railway called Milano Nord which makes stops at other towns on the lake. I'm not very familiar with these trains, so maybe someone else can help with that.
Torino is a very nice city, but perhaps not everyone would find it exciting. I liked it a lot. It has one of the world's best museums of ancient Egyptian civilization, if that interests you.
I once traveled from Milan to Lucerne, and the train ride through the Alps was spectacular. However, I don't know if the weather is reliably good in April. It's a bit far for a day trip (minimum of four hours each way), otherwise you could decide on the spot. There are direct trains from Milan to Brig (about two hours) and you can change there for trains to elsewhere (Basel, Lucerne, and other places). If you just want a beautiful ride through the Alps, you could maybe stop in Brig, which is supposed to have a beautiful town center, although I've never seen it. Others may have a better suggestion for a day trip into Switzerland.
At that time of year, the Amalfi Coast should have pleasant weather, but there are no guarantees. I would suggest visiting there rather than the Cinque Terre, because there's a better chance of good weather, and because there are at least a few things you could do if it rains. If you also want to see Pompeii, Sorrento is a good base. From there, you can visit the Amalfi Coast by bus or boat, and also easily get to Pompeii by the local Circumvesuviana train. Depending on where you stay, you would take a train from Rome to either Naples or Salerno, and then the Circumvesuviana, a bus, a boat, or some combination.
On the route between Venice-Florence-Rome-Naples (Venezia-Firenze-Roma-Napoli) there are now two train operators. The English language sites for both are:
http://www.trenitalia.com/cms/v/inde...005817f90aRCRD
http://www.italotreno.it/EN/Pages/default.aspx
The stations that you probably would want to use are Milano Centrale, Venezia Santa Lucia, Firenze Santa Maria Novella, Roma Termini, and Napoli Centrale.
In Rome, Italo has no service at the central Termini Station, so you might want to use Trenitalia when arriving or departing from there, depending on where you're staying. Italo also has no regional trains (yet) and no service between Milan and Venice.
Both companies offer good discounts for advance purchase, but their discounted tickets cannot be changed or refunded, so unless you are pretty sure of your itinerary, you might want to pay full price for refundable tickets.
Regional train tickets never have discounts, and never sell out, so you should not buy them in advance. Just get them at a train station; they're good on any regional train on the route, but you have to stamp them in a machine just before boarding the train. This is important, because without the time stamp, it looks as though you're hoping to use the ticket another time in the future, which incurs a heavy fine.
Pisa is an easy day (or half-day) trip by regional train from Florence, so you could decide when you're there whether you want to visit Pisa or not.
Jan 10th, 2014, 12:59 PM
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Just stopping by quickly to Thank you all so much for the very helpful information. Can anyone recommend a tour company that is dependable and could help put trip together. I arrive in Milan April 23rd. DH will meet me sometime btwn April 29 and May 1st (happens to be my B'D). Didn't realize about the holidays so thank you. Yikes I need to get plans down. Wondering which city would be best/and least expensive to fly back to US. How much should we expect to pay for good hotels. Any recommendations for the different cites. Sorrento as one of the base cities sounds like a good idea, Tnx.
Jan 10th, 2014, 01:01 PM
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p.s. ideally would like combination of some tours (especially in Rome, Florence, don't know if would need in Venice or other areas) and on our own time. Would also love to visit Tuscan countryside but a little concerned about driving ourselves. Any recommendations on tour/drivers in Italy? Thanks again.
Jan 10th, 2014, 02:24 PM
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I can't add much over what others have already said, except that I did a darkrome tour "Tuscany in 1 Day" from Rome over the summer. I know that most operators run this tour, and I also know that you could never see Tuscany in one day. However, for just a little taste and to get out of the city for a day, it was really great and I would definitely recommend it!
I stayed in Positano for 3 nights and took the ferry to Sorrento and then train to Pompeii - got enough of Pompeii in a few hours and then trains to Rome where I stayed 5 nights.
This was perfect for me, but I am not sure of the ferry schedule/weather at that time of year.
I stayed in Positano for 3 nights and took the ferry to Sorrento and then train to Pompeii - got enough of Pompeii in a few hours and then trains to Rome where I stayed 5 nights.
This was perfect for me, but I am not sure of the ferry schedule/weather at that time of year.
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Thank all for the very helpful information. Can Anyone recommend hotels. (Milan is set--friend on business) I would love a room with a view wherever possible, safe and convenient location to other sites. how much should I plan on per night for a good hotel? Has anyone done visit in Tuscany to farmhouse for dinner they can recommend? Does it have to be reserved before arriving to Florence? What about recommendations for wine tasting/vineyard in Tuscany?
I know I have so many questions. I appreciate your time and input.
I know I have so many questions. I appreciate your time and input.
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I suggest visiting Como/Lake Como as a day trip from Milan. Best way to arrive via train from Cadorna station in Milan - you will take to Como Lago Nord. Let's you off 30 meters from Lake Como and easy walk to Duomo and the center city. Also, you can catch a boat up to Bellagio and Varenna.
Another suggestion would be Bergamo. Absolutely lovely hilltop village near Milan. Verona is beautiful too.
Another suggestion would be Bergamo. Absolutely lovely hilltop village near Milan. Verona is beautiful too.
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Thank you all so much for your great recommendations. I realize I was "all over the place" guess my excitement to finally fulfill dream to visit Italy.
Thank you for the very helpful information especially official links and itinerary suggestions.
bvlenci thank you so much for the name of the stations. I was getting a bit frazzled trying to figure out stations. Seem to be so many choices for per city.
Thankfully we will be in Milan week after Easter. April 24-May 3. May 3 my husbands flies into Milan and we plan to take train to Venice; probably do a walking tour to familiarize ourselves with city. We fly out May 17 from Rome.
danlev thank you for your offer of apartment in Milan but I am travelling with a friend who has hotel already secured (free bc she's traveling on business and I get to room with her)
. My friend has decided not to try to do a day trip to Switzerland because of time and her budget.
I still would love to do a day trip from Milan to Lake Como area and perhaps do ferry and train back from other town in area. It will be nice to get away from big city since I'm there for 10 with friend.
Another question, has anyone had experience with an agriturismo that offers horse back riding? My DH and I would just like to try an 1-2hrs one day in Tuscany scenic area.
Any recommendations for a full service B&B or nice agriturismo working farm for maybe 1 or 2 nights in Tuscany?
I very much appreciate our recommendations and assistance. Ciao!
Thank you for the very helpful information especially official links and itinerary suggestions.
bvlenci thank you so much for the name of the stations. I was getting a bit frazzled trying to figure out stations. Seem to be so many choices for per city.
Thankfully we will be in Milan week after Easter. April 24-May 3. May 3 my husbands flies into Milan and we plan to take train to Venice; probably do a walking tour to familiarize ourselves with city. We fly out May 17 from Rome.
danlev thank you for your offer of apartment in Milan but I am travelling with a friend who has hotel already secured (free bc she's traveling on business and I get to room with her)
. My friend has decided not to try to do a day trip to Switzerland because of time and her budget. I still would love to do a day trip from Milan to Lake Como area and perhaps do ferry and train back from other town in area. It will be nice to get away from big city since I'm there for 10 with friend.
Another question, has anyone had experience with an agriturismo that offers horse back riding? My DH and I would just like to try an 1-2hrs one day in Tuscany scenic area.
Any recommendations for a full service B&B or nice agriturismo working farm for maybe 1 or 2 nights in Tuscany?
I very much appreciate our recommendations and assistance. Ciao!
Feb 12th, 2014, 12:06 AM
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BTW, I would prefer to not over spend on luxury hotels ($300+ ) to spend instead on food, some shopping, tours. But still would appreciate full service hotels with nice views and centrally located, breakfast included. Since we will be traveling mostly by train. Would love recommendations Thank you!
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Check out RomeInLimo, we used them last year in Rome as a day guide from our cruise and they were fantastic!!! Serena will brilliant!! Another family used them for Pisa/Lucca and said they were amazing there as well. Have a great trip, I'll be there in July.
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From Milan, visit Bergamo. It is a sweet little town, easy to get to for a nice day trip for you.
Take train from Milan to Venice to meet DH. Depending on when his flight arrives, you could stop in Verona or Vicenza. Store luggage at the train station. Do check first to see if storage is still available there.
You would need to rent a car if you really want to stay at an agriturismo in Tuscany. It is certainly doable, but would take time from something else.
Unless you want to see only Pompeii, you would need two or three days on the AC, at least one day to see the coast by bus or ferry. It would be a great place for the romantic relaxation you want. By May, the weather should be beautiful there, with flowers blooming and ferries running.
Put all time in Rome at the end of your trip.
Take train from Milan to Venice to meet DH. Depending on when his flight arrives, you could stop in Verona or Vicenza. Store luggage at the train station. Do check first to see if storage is still available there.
You would need to rent a car if you really want to stay at an agriturismo in Tuscany. It is certainly doable, but would take time from something else.
Unless you want to see only Pompeii, you would need two or three days on the AC, at least one day to see the coast by bus or ferry. It would be a great place for the romantic relaxation you want. By May, the weather should be beautiful there, with flowers blooming and ferries running.
Put all time in Rome at the end of your trip.
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Had to end my other post earlier.
To give enough time on the AC for romantic relaxation, or farm time, you will have to cut something.
Day 1, arrive Venice
Day 2, Venice
Day 3, Venice for most of day, train to Florence very late evening, sleep Florence
Day 4, Florence
Day 5, tour or rent car for agriturismo
Day 6, train to Sorrento (easier to visit Pompeii from Sorrento)
Day 7, Pompeii
Day 8, tour AC
Day 9, train to Rome
Day 10, 11, 12, 13, Rome
Day 14, Fly home
I would take one more day from Rome and add it to any other place you think you would enjoy most.
Things could be re-arranged, but this is a basic plan to play around with.
To give enough time on the AC for romantic relaxation, or farm time, you will have to cut something.
Day 1, arrive Venice
Day 2, Venice
Day 3, Venice for most of day, train to Florence very late evening, sleep Florence
Day 4, Florence
Day 5, tour or rent car for agriturismo
Day 6, train to Sorrento (easier to visit Pompeii from Sorrento)
Day 7, Pompeii
Day 8, tour AC
Day 9, train to Rome
Day 10, 11, 12, 13, Rome
Day 14, Fly home
I would take one more day from Rome and add it to any other place you think you would enjoy most.
Things could be re-arranged, but this is a basic plan to play around with.
