Is 5000 miles realistic in 14-16 days?
Aug 6th, 2014, 08:08 PM
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Is 5000 miles realistic in 14-16 days?
Basically my gf and I want to go on a trip across Europe visiting a select few football grounds but I'm not sure it'll work out as we've planned it.
We plan to start in Rotterdam, then go into Germany, down to Rome, over to Turin, across the border into France and follow the coast into Spain, up to Madrid and into Portugal. Porto being the last stop then heading straight back across to Paris where we'd spend a couple of days and then back to England.
5000 miles is what we have worked it out to be stadium to stadium. Is this realistic as we have never done anything like this before.
The only other thing that is concerning me is sleeping. We were planning on finding hostels but they don't appear to be as cheap as I was hoping.
Any thoughts welcomed.
THANKS.
We plan to start in Rotterdam, then go into Germany, down to Rome, over to Turin, across the border into France and follow the coast into Spain, up to Madrid and into Portugal. Porto being the last stop then heading straight back across to Paris where we'd spend a couple of days and then back to England.
5000 miles is what we have worked it out to be stadium to stadium. Is this realistic as we have never done anything like this before.
The only other thing that is concerning me is sleeping. We were planning on finding hostels but they don't appear to be as cheap as I was hoping.
Any thoughts welcomed.
THANKS.
Aug 6th, 2014, 08:41 PM
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It takes less than 14 HOURS to fly 5,000 miles. Of course it's easy to travel 5,000 miles in two weeks.
Assuming you're driving, that averages 400 miles a day: on empty motorways, stopping only to refuel and pee, about 6-8 hours' driving, which is less than most lorry drivers do 300 days a year.
In theory: realistic, and if all you want to do is look at football grounds, possibly feasible. Only you know whether they're all visitable (the first one I checked - the Stadio Olimpico that Lazio uses - is accessible only for matches, and IMHO anyone who treks to Rome just to stare at yet one more pointless Olympic stadium from outside is certifiable)
But a glance at a map will show you the other big flaw: Madrid, Rome and (worst of all) Porto or the other Portuguese stadia are hundreds of miles from anywhere else.
Draw a line from Barcelona to Milan (on a good day, a just-doable drive) to Munich. Go no further east - and roughly half the world's best players play for teams between that line at the Channel, or in Britain. It's easy to do, by road, at least 14 grounds of teams regularly getting into the Champions' League in two weeks if you restrict youirself to the geographically very small global centre of football excellence.
Start faffing about with its periphery (like Madrid or Rome) and you're spending huge amounts of time. Save them up for Ryanair-based daytips or weekends, in conjunction with matches.
Assuming you're driving, that averages 400 miles a day: on empty motorways, stopping only to refuel and pee, about 6-8 hours' driving, which is less than most lorry drivers do 300 days a year.
In theory: realistic, and if all you want to do is look at football grounds, possibly feasible. Only you know whether they're all visitable (the first one I checked - the Stadio Olimpico that Lazio uses - is accessible only for matches, and IMHO anyone who treks to Rome just to stare at yet one more pointless Olympic stadium from outside is certifiable)
But a glance at a map will show you the other big flaw: Madrid, Rome and (worst of all) Porto or the other Portuguese stadia are hundreds of miles from anywhere else.
Draw a line from Barcelona to Milan (on a good day, a just-doable drive) to Munich. Go no further east - and roughly half the world's best players play for teams between that line at the Channel, or in Britain. It's easy to do, by road, at least 14 grounds of teams regularly getting into the Champions' League in two weeks if you restrict youirself to the geographically very small global centre of football excellence.
Start faffing about with its periphery (like Madrid or Rome) and you're spending huge amounts of time. Save them up for Ryanair-based daytips or weekends, in conjunction with matches.
Aug 6th, 2014, 08:43 PM
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My penultimate para should have started:
"Draw a line from Barcelona to Milan (on a good day, a just-doable drive) to Munich. Go no further east - and roughly half the world's best players play for teams between that line AND the Channel, or in Britain."
"Draw a line from Barcelona to Milan (on a good day, a just-doable drive) to Munich. Go no further east - and roughly half the world's best players play for teams between that line AND the Channel, or in Britain."
Aug 6th, 2014, 09:18 PM
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It is simply a football stadium trip for my 30th. We're not doing the whole sight-seeing tourist thing. My gf is happy with this!
flanneruk thanks for the Lazio bit. Granted certain parts are quite distanced, all part of it I guess!
Can anyone help with the accommodation bit? I'm now wondering whether taking the tent might be the best option. What do you think?
THANKS.
flanneruk thanks for the Lazio bit. Granted certain parts are quite distanced, all part of it I guess!
Can anyone help with the accommodation bit? I'm now wondering whether taking the tent might be the best option. What do you think?
THANKS.
Aug 7th, 2014, 01:07 AM
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When are you going and from where are you starting? That affects the feasibility of a tent. If you are from the UK, and it's no later than September then a tent makes sense perhaps. Consider AirBnB and couchsurfing also perhaps.
De Kuip offers tours, which you need to book online. There is a real chance they are in Dutch only, since the website seems to be only Dutch. http://www.dekuip.nl.blisservices.nl...ap-rondleiding
If you want to see a match there then go to www.feyenoord.com but avoid a match against ADO or Ajax.
The ArenA offers tours in English: http://www.amsterdamarena.nl/Tours/T...adium-Tour.htm
Neither is that cheap.
De Kuip offers tours, which you need to book online. There is a real chance they are in Dutch only, since the website seems to be only Dutch. http://www.dekuip.nl.blisservices.nl...ap-rondleiding
If you want to see a match there then go to www.feyenoord.com but avoid a match against ADO or Ajax.
The ArenA offers tours in English: http://www.amsterdamarena.nl/Tours/T...adium-Tour.htm
Neither is that cheap.
Aug 7th, 2014, 02:40 AM
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You said hostels are too expensive. My nmpression was that they were bargains. Exactly how much per night did you plan on spending - and is that per bed or for both of you?
If your budget is super low you may have to try for couchsurging - not easy for two people.
Not sure how much cheaper tent camping will be.
Assume you are driving your own car. Have you figured out the cost of tolls and fuel - as well as the cost to use the campgrounds?
If your budget is super low you may have to try for couchsurging - not easy for two people.
Not sure how much cheaper tent camping will be.
Assume you are driving your own car. Have you figured out the cost of tolls and fuel - as well as the cost to use the campgrounds?
Aug 7th, 2014, 03:58 AM
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The problem with a tent is setting up and taking down and buying something to eat while still doing 400 miles a day.
From mid-France south, expect shops and cafes to close from half past one until at least half past four. Shops are usually closed on Sundays after one.
If I were turning 30, I might give it a shot, but it could cost you your gf.
From mid-France south, expect shops and cafes to close from half past one until at least half past four. Shops are usually closed on Sundays after one.
If I were turning 30, I might give it a shot, but it could cost you your gf.
Aug 7th, 2014, 04:09 AM
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We are planning for May next year. We'll be starting in Rotterdam before heading down into Germany.
We too were under the assumption that hostels would be the cheaper option but many were coming up at ridiculously high prices. £70 was around the average!
We have looked at the options of hiring a campervan, flying from city to city aswell as taking our own car and it appears that driving our own car is the best option. We have an estimated fuel allowance of around £900 and this is definately the cheapest option so far.
Why on earth could it cost me my gf?!
We too were under the assumption that hostels would be the cheaper option but many were coming up at ridiculously high prices. £70 was around the average!
We have looked at the options of hiring a campervan, flying from city to city aswell as taking our own car and it appears that driving our own car is the best option. We have an estimated fuel allowance of around £900 and this is definately the cheapest option so far.
Why on earth could it cost me my gf?!
Aug 7th, 2014, 05:06 AM
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Well I thought about shortening the trip or even spreading it over a couple of trips but it's not something we are going to do again so that's why we decided to do it in one big trip.
Aug 7th, 2014, 06:20 AM
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You are finding out that Europe is not a "bargain" destination! Your trip sounds like something my husband and I might have done in our 20's (but we didn't start our twice-yearly trips to Europe until much later in life). If your gf truly understands what you are planning, you should be fine. If she is hoping to see some sights, I'm afraid you are not allowing much (if any) time for that. All of that togetherness (and possibly in a tent) could be stressful on both of you.........(maybe). My husband and I are approaching our 50th anniversary. We could have survived this sort of travel at your ages. Not everyone can!
Aug 7th, 2014, 07:00 AM
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If you are in your own car, in May, then take the tent. Campsites will be easy to find and not expensive for a small tent and two people. Added advantage s you can do supermarket shopping and not have to eat out every day.
I say go for it, but be prepared to be a bit flexible about things, and maybe just slow down a tad so you can enjoy the scenery, not just the football stadiums.
You need to be aware of what vignettes and tolls you will pay. I expect the AA or RAC websites can tell you all of that.
Make sure you have your EHIC cards too.
You only live once, give it a go!
I say go for it, but be prepared to be a bit flexible about things, and maybe just slow down a tad so you can enjoy the scenery, not just the football stadiums.
You need to be aware of what vignettes and tolls you will pay. I expect the AA or RAC websites can tell you all of that.
Make sure you have your EHIC cards too.
You only live once, give it a go!
Aug 7th, 2014, 10:58 AM
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simpsonc510 - my girlfriend does fully understand the trip, it isn't a sightseeing trip! I appreciate what you are saying though.
hetismij2 - thank you. Yes we already have EHIC cards and having done a trip across France down to Val Cenis a few years ago I now know just how many tolls there are in France
ribeirasacra - a top gear challenge eh?!
hetismij2 - thank you. Yes we already have EHIC cards and having done a trip across France down to Val Cenis a few years ago I now know just how many tolls there are in France
ribeirasacra - a top gear challenge eh?!
Aug 7th, 2014, 12:20 PM
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. We have an estimated fuel allowance of around £900 and this is definately the cheapest option so far>
cheaper than an Inter-Rail Pass - I doubt it - check that pass out - issued only to European (including Britain for the moment) residents - car costs can add up - parking can be $20-30 a day some places (like Holland) in cities and many cities do not let you even drive in their congested city centers - public transit is excellent.
You can sleep on overnight trains too - save on the cost of a hostel or campsite - camping sites are everywhere but ubiquitously on the remote edges of urban areas and cars going into city centers again is a bad idea and an expensive proposition. Camping makes sense for exploring rural areas but for large cities like that you'll also have to pay to commute longer distances to the city centers.
See www.seat61.com for lots on European trains with a British connection.
cheaper than an Inter-Rail Pass - I doubt it - check that pass out - issued only to European (including Britain for the moment) residents - car costs can add up - parking can be $20-30 a day some places (like Holland) in cities and many cities do not let you even drive in their congested city centers - public transit is excellent.
You can sleep on overnight trains too - save on the cost of a hostel or campsite - camping sites are everywhere but ubiquitously on the remote edges of urban areas and cars going into city centers again is a bad idea and an expensive proposition. Camping makes sense for exploring rural areas but for large cities like that you'll also have to pay to commute longer distances to the city centers.
See www.seat61.com for lots on European trains with a British connection.
