Expiration of Tourist VISA after getting Permission to Stay?
Feb 13th, 2014, 01:49 PM
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Expiration of Tourist VISA after getting Permission to Stay?
My wife has been in Italy with me for over 3 months, past the end of her tourist visam but she is now officially allowed to be in Italy as she has applied for her Permesso di Soggiorno (PdS) and is legally allowed to be in Italy.
My question is: Now that she is allowed to be here, she will have an ID card/etc. But they have not stamped her passport or added a VISA or anything. So her only stamp is the one she got when first entering months ago. *which was through a connecting flight at CDG, and then the entrance form in Italy.
Do other EU countries recognize her PdS as allowing her to freely visit other EU countries? Or is it that even though she is now sort of a resident of Italy, she still has used up her 90 days of tourism out of the 180 and has to stay in Italy until the end of the 180 since first entering.
Or is it that she looks like she is over her visa until she leaves the country? Even though she is allowed to be in Italy?
I wonder this even for myself. I have an Italian VISA page in my passport, but am I still limited to 90 days in non-Italy countries?
Thanks!
My question is: Now that she is allowed to be here, she will have an ID card/etc. But they have not stamped her passport or added a VISA or anything. So her only stamp is the one she got when first entering months ago. *which was through a connecting flight at CDG, and then the entrance form in Italy.
Do other EU countries recognize her PdS as allowing her to freely visit other EU countries? Or is it that even though she is now sort of a resident of Italy, she still has used up her 90 days of tourism out of the 180 and has to stay in Italy until the end of the 180 since first entering.
Or is it that she looks like she is over her visa until she leaves the country? Even though she is allowed to be in Italy?
I wonder this even for myself. I have an Italian VISA page in my passport, but am I still limited to 90 days in non-Italy countries?
Thanks!
Feb 13th, 2014, 03:42 PM
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Not sure why you are coming here for advice - when what you need to do is to consult the proper authorities and get an official answer.
It really doesn't matter what anyone here says - only what the officials of each government says.
And how could you go into this not fully understanding what you would get out of it? Who have you been using as a local expert? And if not, why not?
It really doesn't matter what anyone here says - only what the officials of each government says.
And how could you go into this not fully understanding what you would get out of it? Who have you been using as a local expert? And if not, why not?
Feb 13th, 2014, 03:54 PM
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"Do other EU countries recognize her PdS as allowing her to freely visit other EU countries?"
Most likely, but why not consult an expert in Schengen law if it worries you?
This is not an immigration law site. We talk about hotels, restaurants, museums and itineraries. The advice is free and often worth what you've paid.
Most likely, but why not consult an expert in Schengen law if it worries you?
This is not an immigration law site. We talk about hotels, restaurants, museums and itineraries. The advice is free and often worth what you've paid.
Feb 14th, 2014, 01:06 AM
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I was in a similar situation when I moved to Italy. My orginal visa was for "family unification", not a tourist visa. I had to produce the permesso di soggiorno along with my passport every time I re-entered Italy after leaving the country, because from the passport it was obvious that I had spent long periods in Italy.
One problem at that time, which may have been solved (but I doubt it) is that the permesso di soggiorno had to be renewed periodically and I never got it in time. Sometimes by the time I got it, it was about to expire again. When I applied, they always gave me a receipt showing the date of application for renewal. On this receipt was printed something to the effect that it couldn't be used as a substitute for a valid permesso di soggiorno, but the immigration office told me to use it exactly like that if I had to leave the country. It always was accepted at immigration, but I was always a little nervous about it.
Anyway, the laws on immigration are constantly changing, and you really do need to ask someone competent, for instance, someone at the questura, or if you can't find someone to talk to there, maybe the local carabinieri station can help you. (At least, they have ways to get through to the questura.)
One problem at that time, which may have been solved (but I doubt it) is that the permesso di soggiorno had to be renewed periodically and I never got it in time. Sometimes by the time I got it, it was about to expire again. When I applied, they always gave me a receipt showing the date of application for renewal. On this receipt was printed something to the effect that it couldn't be used as a substitute for a valid permesso di soggiorno, but the immigration office told me to use it exactly like that if I had to leave the country. It always was accepted at immigration, but I was always a little nervous about it.
Anyway, the laws on immigration are constantly changing, and you really do need to ask someone competent, for instance, someone at the questura, or if you can't find someone to talk to there, maybe the local carabinieri station can help you. (At least, they have ways to get through to the questura.)
Feb 14th, 2014, 04:35 AM
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Many people confuse the EU with the Schengen area, but Flanner, instead of clearing up the confusion, adds more confusion by the following statement:
[[ Do other EU countries recognize her PdS as allowing her to freely visit other EU countries?"
Certainly not. ]]
Obviously, a permesso di soggiorno isn't by itself a valid entry document, but I think you know that's not what was meant by the question. Non-Schengen countries really don't even care if the person has gone over the 90-day Schengen stay. A valid passport is needed to visit an non-Schengen country, and the permesso di soggiorno is needed for re-entry into Italy.
As for expelling people who don't understand the permutations of Europe, you'd have to expel a lot of native-born citizens as well, including Brits who think that Europe begins at Calais.
[[ Do other EU countries recognize her PdS as allowing her to freely visit other EU countries?"
Certainly not. ]]
Obviously, a permesso di soggiorno isn't by itself a valid entry document, but I think you know that's not what was meant by the question. Non-Schengen countries really don't even care if the person has gone over the 90-day Schengen stay. A valid passport is needed to visit an non-Schengen country, and the permesso di soggiorno is needed for re-entry into Italy.
As for expelling people who don't understand the permutations of Europe, you'd have to expel a lot of native-born citizens as well, including Brits who think that Europe begins at Calais.
