obustamante

hi,
My wife and i had decided travel to Europe, we have 15 days and many cities, we need help to decide if buy a Europass or individual tickets? or buy low cost airlines?

the itinerary is some like this

1) Paris --> 3 nights
2) Brucelas --> 0 night
3) Amsterdam --> 1 night
4) Berlin --> 2 nights
5) Praga --> 1 night
6) Vienna --> 1 night
7) Venecia (Venece) --> 2 nights
8) Rome --> 2 nights
9) Pisa --> 0 night
10) ****
11) Alicante

HELP!!!

... and thanks

Kathie

Remember that it takes two nights somewhere to get one full day to explore, sight-see, etc. One night is just that - a night in a city, perhaps a couple of hours in the evening or morning. One day for Rome, two days for Paris won't even give you a flavor for these places. Don't forget to figure in transit time. Even taking trains, which are usually the most time-efficient, means you have to check out of your hotel, get to the train station with some wait time, take ht train, get from the train station to your next hotel and get checked in. It is rare for that to take less than half a day, and some routes will take up most of a day.

I'd highly recommend re-thinking your itinerary before you start to think about whether a rail pass will pay off. With 15 days, I'd choose three or four cities, not 10.

obustamante

Hi Kathie , thanks for answer, but some of the cities are for stop for lunch like bruselas, i know that some of the trains could be for sleep, for example amsterdam - berlin.

The main cities for as are:

Paris, Berlin, Venecie and Rome that is why have more nights.

So, the recomendation could be less cities, but, we should buy what, Europass or individual tickets? thinking on that cities

StCirq

I don't even know what you think a "Europass" is (is that a EurrailPass?), but your itinerary is crazy. One night in a city when you are coming in on a train and leaving again on a train a few hours later means absolutely no time at all to enjoy the place. Stopping for lunch in a place like Brussels (I assume that's what you mean by Bruselas, but who knows?) is useless. It's like saying I'll drop by Delhi for tali and move on.

With 15 days, pick two, or even maybe three, places and see and enjoy them. Buy open-jaw tickets. Forget a rail pass of any kind and buy tickets from the national railways ahead of time for the cheapest fares. Research www.seat61.com

Man_in_seat_61

Agree with the itinerary comments above.

You need to go online and see what the prices are for the journeys you want. Trains now have airline-style pricing, €35 on this train, €45 on that train, and €130 if you wait and buy on the day.

Paris-Brussels varies from €29 to €100 in 2nd class, www.b-europe.com

Brussels-Amsterdam varies from €19 to €89 www.b-europe.com

Amsterdam-Berlin starts at €39 and goes up to €90-odd, www.bahn.de/en

Berlin-Prague starts at €19.90 rising to around €70 full-price on the day, www.bahn.de/en or www.cd.cz/eshop

Prague-Vienna starts at €19 and rises to €45 or so if bought at full-price on the day, www.cd.cz/eshop

Vienna-Venice starts at €29 Austrian Railways www.oebb.at

Venice-Rome from €29 rising to €90 full-flex at www.trenitalia.com

Now how much is a pass per day?

obustamante

Thanks to StCirq and Man_in_seat_61,

Then EurrailPass is the pass of http://www.eurail.com/

I know that it is crazy what we want to do, that is why i am asking and work for getting the best schedule of the itinerary with the recomendations, when i answered to Kathie, i put the main cities for visit, and this are:

1) Paris (start)
2) Berlin
3) Venecie
4) Rome
5) Alicante (end)

but we want to see others cities on the route.

Whit this new idea, that you recomend? how meny days/nights? Train? other cities?

StCirq

You cannot do all this in 15 days. and get anything out of it at all except been there, done that. etc. As I said before, pick two or three places, buy open-jaw tickets, forget about "other cities on the route." You do not have time. Enjoy the few places you will be able to visit.

Why Alicante? That's the first place I'd axe.With only 15 days I'd probably aim for Paris, Venice, and Rome. That's all. That will eat up most of your travel time right there but give you a taste of each of the three cities.

obustamante

Why Alicante? ...becouse i have other plans with the rest of my family and start there, are other 7 days on Spain whitout run.

So, Alicante don`t count, but i have to finish there, and i have to travel a Berlín, i have a compromise there.