Does anyone know how Trenitalia or Trenord list the Vivalto trains?
Apr 26th, 2015, 07:14 AM
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Does anyone know how Trenitalia or Trenord list the Vivalto trains?
These are double deckers and I don't see any special designation to say it's a different type of train (even searching a few routes/dates I know they are running). I only see the usual listings (Frecce, IC, regional).
Apr 26th, 2015, 07:42 AM
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Vivalto trains are used on regional services, but there is no way to know from the published timetables which kind of train is used to run the service.
The web site http://www.e656.net/orario/impostazioni.html has train service numbers listed for each type of loco, DMU and EMU; but you cannot directly see Vivalto trains as Vivalto is the brand name of passenger cars, usually hauled by E464 locos, and not self moving DMUs or EMUs.
The web site http://www.e656.net/orario/impostazioni.html has train service numbers listed for each type of loco, DMU and EMU; but you cannot directly see Vivalto trains as Vivalto is the brand name of passenger cars, usually hauled by E464 locos, and not self moving DMUs or EMUs.
Apr 26th, 2015, 08:07 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHN4AXLKALY
for others wishing to see these newish double-decker trains check the video.
for others wishing to see these newish double-decker trains check the video.
Apr 26th, 2015, 02:23 PM
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Do you think they are labeled as regional and no seat selection possible? It seems like you would be able to select seats on this type of train. Trenitalia has added a few runs on the CT on certain dates. Doesn't show on the English version.
http://www.trenitalia.com/tcom/Treni...fferta-5-terre
http://www.trenitalia.com/tcom/Treni...fferta-5-terre
Apr 27th, 2015, 01:19 AM
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I'm almost certain that these trains are strictly regional, so they wouldn't have seat reservations. They're designed for commuters, with seats somewhat like bus seats. They wouldn't be suitable for long-distance trips. You don't see them even on the longer regional routes, such as Roma-Ancona.
You can see that the URL you've given above has "Treni-Regionali" in the address. The trains that stop in all the Cinque Terre towns are all regional trains.
You can see that the URL you've given above has "Treni-Regionali" in the address. The trains that stop in all the Cinque Terre towns are all regional trains.
Apr 27th, 2015, 04:15 AM
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"Vivalto" is a passenger car name, as well as "Minuetto" are the most recent DMU and EMU trains (Minuettos exist in both diesel and electric versions). But there are no trains dubbed as Vivalto on timetables as Vivalto is not a service name like Frecciarossa or Frecciargento.
Often Vivalto trains are strictly regional in the sense that they were paid by a region and are used only for services internal to that region.
As Vivalto trains have no motors they need a loco and they are usually powered by E464 locos - like in the video suggested by PalenQ. E464 are relatively new electrical locos mainly used for regional trains and easily recognizable as they have only a single cab, so needing a driving trailer on the other side of trains (push-pull arrangement). E464s cannot run on newer high speed lines as they are 3000 DC volts only. A sub-series of E464s (number 229 to 326) were painted in Vivalto colors to match the cars. A standard Vivalto train is made up by an E464, 4 ordinary coaches and a driving trailer.
Often Vivalto trains are strictly regional in the sense that they were paid by a region and are used only for services internal to that region.
As Vivalto trains have no motors they need a loco and they are usually powered by E464 locos - like in the video suggested by PalenQ. E464 are relatively new electrical locos mainly used for regional trains and easily recognizable as they have only a single cab, so needing a driving trailer on the other side of trains (push-pull arrangement). E464s cannot run on newer high speed lines as they are 3000 DC volts only. A sub-series of E464s (number 229 to 326) were painted in Vivalto colors to match the cars. A standard Vivalto train is made up by an E464, 4 ordinary coaches and a driving trailer.
