dinner jackets

Old Apr 23rd, 2017, 06:01 PM
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dinner jackets

If we decide to go for a few upscale dinners in Madrid, Seville or Barcelona will my husband need a dinner jacket and tie (he usually prefers casual dress). thanks
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Old Apr 23rd, 2017, 06:50 PM
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Are you asking about a jacket or a dinner jacket, called a tux by some ? He should be OK with a sports jacket, like a tweed or something lightweight in summer.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2017, 07:54 PM
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I can think of maybe 3 or 4 places in Madrid that you'd wear a jacket/sports coat, unless you're one of the regular movers and shakers, then you wear whatever. None in Barcelona.
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Old Apr 23rd, 2017, 08:29 PM
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Agree with Robert. I wore a dinner jacket to the 2 star La Terraza del Casino in Madrid because it was "required". I may have also wore it at the 2 star Casino Allard - but almost everyone else didn't have a jacket on. I did not wear a jacket at the 2 star Ramon Freixa (later trip). All were fabulous restaurants - perhaps Romon Freixa was my favorite.

On another trip to Barcelona, we dined at the 2 star Lasarte, the 2 star Moments, and at our Hotel El Palaces's 1 star Caelis and I did not bring a jacket on that trip. We dined at a 1 star in Seville on that same trip - no jacket.

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Old Apr 23rd, 2017, 10:36 PM
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I can't think of any restaurant in any country you're required to wear a dinner jacket (tuxedo in American)

Or is this an American language thing, where you just mean 'jacket' as in suit jacket, not DJ/tux?
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Old Apr 23rd, 2017, 10:38 PM
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Unless you're James Bond, of course.

These are dinner jackets or 'DJ's: https://www.moss.co.uk/dinner-jackets
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Tie ?
I used to wear one daily. I started wearing less 10 years ago. Now twice a year. I had one last week !
I have been recently to 2-3 michelin and had no tie and no jacket actually. In france and Portugal but the guys I met recently in Spain didn't wear tie. Jacket when starting and ending the meeting. Like me.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 01:25 AM
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... unless you're one of the regular movers and shakers, then you wear whatever.

Of course you can always pretend to be a mover or a shaker, and then you can wear whatever you like. It's all in the attitude, but dark shades also help.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 02:07 AM
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What is a mover or a shaker ?
A new trendy term or a mover like a guy who picks up your furniture and moves it ?
But then the shaker ?? No clue for the poor frenchspeaking I am.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 02:28 AM
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a shaker was part of a religious movement in the US who vibrated when moved by the holy spirit.

movers; move your goods when you move house.

Woin, you have cracked it

Or Movers and Shakers, post '60s speak for influencers of fashion or politics
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 03:14 AM
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It is a world I do not hang out in and assiduously avoid.

The answer is, even if there are a handful of restaurants that require such an encumbrance, they are easily avoided.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 03:22 AM
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I too wouldn't go to any restaurant that imposed a rule on how I should dress. To me, it's the sign of a pretentious place that's trying to create a false image.

We once ate at a two-star restaurant in Senigallia (Uliassi) on a whim after a walk on the beach. (It was late October, and I guessed that they wouldn't be fully booked that late in the season.) It's a mark of true class that we were welcomed heartily, given an excellent table, and the chef (Uliassi himself) came out to ask us if we were enjoying the meal.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 05:17 AM
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At the recommendation of a madrileño, we ate at St. James famed for its paella and where they set out 14 different types of forks, one for each tooth and different seafood. A jacket and tie were not required, otherwise we would gone elsewhere. It was also the most expensive and elegant meal of our last visit to Spain. Not the best, however.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 06:16 AM
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A jacket is NOT the same as a "tuxedo." We've eaten in numerous Barcelona restaurants and we do not allow a dress code to keep us from doing so, unlike some for whom that can be a deal breaker.

You fail to describe which restaurants you are interested in. You do not say whether the establishments "require" a jacket/tie for gentlemen.

There is no way for us to know whether or not the place will refuse you entry.

IME a jacket never hurts and I have yet to see somebody refused entry because they WERE wearing one.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 06:59 AM
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If you have a jacket, it is nice to wear matching flip flops.
It would be a 'faute de goût' and you'd be rightfully refused entry.
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14 replies, 1 or 2 that approach usefulness.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 08:23 AM
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The answer is simple: pick upscale restaurants that have no jacket requirement. The jacket requirement is an anachronism, frequently adhered to by restaurants that have past their prime.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 08:53 AM
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Dinner jacket in the US = black tie. Or just a tux (hate that term!).

That apparel was made fashionable by King Edward VII when he became tired of always having to wear white tie to dinner.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 10:50 AM
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>The Chowhound Team May 28, 2012 07:34 AM
Folks, dress code topics are always controversial, so we'd ask that you keep the focus narrow. Please don't snark at each other over choice of clothing, or get into debates about whether one kind of attire or another is respectful or disrespectful. If you've eaten at the specific restaurants the original post mentions, please do go ahead and post what you know about whether they have a dress code.<

The dress code at Club Alard is business casual, but jeans (without holes) and casual attire are fine, but they don't allow sportwear (shorts). Business casual is pretty much the same with any restaurant in Madrid offering fine dining, as some people in Madrid (those of a certain age) tend to dress up when they go out for lunch or dinner.

The rest of us are slobs by comparison, or just used to dining at McDonalds.
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Old Apr 24th, 2017, 11:02 AM
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"We are the movers and shakers, and we are the dreamers of dreams"

Ode by Arthur O'Shaughnessy [used by Edward Elgar as the lyrics to his work "The Music Makers"]

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poe...s/detail/54933

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EixX7n3QAjg

so definitely not trendy, WoinP.

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Does one dine at McDonalds, Robert? One dines at the Savoy or the Ritz, but not chez Ronald.
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