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Old Oct 28th, 2007, 07:20 PM
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"Dearest" POLAND: What is your most BELOVED Polish town?

Do you have a most beloved town in Poland? Whether you are a local or a traveler, please share which city, village, or town in Poland has captured your heart, and tell us why.

I will visit Poland for the first time in September 2008, with my husband and 2 college-age daughters. I have read so much about Poland that I have vibrant cities, Old Towns, peaceful countryside, pierogi, vodka, amber, Chopin, and folk traditions all dancing on my mind.

Before I finalize our itinerary, I would love to hear about a treasured memory in your most beloved Polish city. Thank you for sharing.
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In order of belovedness:
1. Krakow
2. Mielec
3. Bialystock
4. Warsaw
5. Chelm
6. Lublin
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Krosno - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krosno
Torun - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torun
Gdansk - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gdansk
Iwonicz Zdroj - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iwonicz_Zdr%C3%B3j
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Old Oct 29th, 2007, 12:08 AM
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Your answers are interesting. I have heard of some of those towns but others are new to me. Just bought 2 more Poland guidebooks and am intrigued to look up your favorite "beloved" towns.

lucy_d: I like your phrase "in order of belovedness".

My great-grandparents came from Krakow, Poland. My mother's parents spoke Polish when they discussed "secrets", so my mother wasn't able to learn Polish as a child. Most of my Polish ancestry remains a mystery to me, except that they were Catholic, and my Polish grandmother was terrified of the telephone and refused to answer it, and never got her driver's license. My mother loved to polka and as kids we would try to learn the steps when my mother put on the polka record.

I wish I knew more family history. I'm glad our college-age daughters will be coming to Poland with my husband and I.
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I live in Łódź, it was the second largest city in Polska but has now slipped to third. Its civic history dates back to 1000. The Russians and Soviets and the Germans have ruled here. Signs still abound of the tragedy of the 1940s. Poles today don't wallow in yesterday's bathos. They are too busy building for tomorrow. You need visit a hospital or school. Polish medicine is the equal of anything in the West and their schools are producing tomorrow's leaders. The Grand Theater offers superb ballet and opera. International hotels are coming online. The Posnanski factory has been converted to the Manufactura Mall. Just across the way is the 40's Ghetto site, now a green park. Every city and town in Poland can offer similar venues.
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Old Nov 2nd, 2007, 01:39 AM
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GSteed, thank you for sharing a glimpse of the Poland of today. Lodz sounds like a fine city. I have found it fascinating to study Poland in preparation for our trip.

We have decided to spend 5 nights in Prague and 5 or 6 nights in Krakow, with day-trips from Krakow. I look forward to visiting some of the other towns surrounding Krakow as day-trips. (We will also have 1 night in between Prague and Krakow in Olomouc.)

When we leave Poland, it might be necessary to fly out through Warsaw, depending on which flights I book. Then, the last stop on our trip will be a city in Europe from which we can get a nonstop flight to LAX in California. Therefore the last stop on our trip might be London or Dublin, or another city which has a nonstop flight to LAX. We are looking at various airlines, prices, etc.

If anyone else wants to share their favorite Polish towns, I'd love to hear about them.
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I have never been to Poland but I feel a special affection for the towns my great-grandparents originated from: Czêstochowa, Bialystok, Poznan.

My great-grandmother's mother died when she was quit young. Her father remarried to a not so nice woman. When my great-grandmother was 16 she told her stepmother that she was going to America. Her stepmother told her,"Good riddance." When my great aunts & uncles were young they would ask my great-grandmother to tell them about Poland. But she never would. All she would say was,"It's so poor."

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Old Nov 5th, 2007, 11:25 PM
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cheribob, maybe you will go to Poland someday and visit those towns where your great-grandparents originated from. The impression I am gathering, the more I learn about Poland, is that Poland is more vibrant than ever before, and looking towards the future.

I feel as if I have already taken one trip to Poland, right here on fodors!
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Hi again Melissa5

- Czêstochowa - not the most beautiful city but the spiritual capital of Poland - it is a 'must' to visit the Monastery of Jasna Góra(Bright/Light Mountain) and see the Black Madonna. There is a trilogy written by Henryk Sienkiewicz (and translated into English) and the second volume called Potop (The Deluge)shows you why it is such a sacred place for the Poles-and not just in religious terms. I believe there is also a DVD of the trilogy which has english subtitles - the three titles are With Fire and Sword, The Deluge and Colonel Wołodyjowski - if you google it you will find suppliers- there is at least one in Australia

- not so much a city as a region: Beskidy (google it)

- take a raft ride down the Dunajec River and see Nidzica Castle as well as look across the river to Slovakia

- Malbork : I remember wandering around the castle as a child and imagining myself a princess

-the Masurian Lakes Plateau, known as the “Land of a Thousand Lakes”. It has the biggest concentration of lakes in Poland- These lakes are remnants of the ice age, when all of northeastern Poland and parts of Europe were covered by ice. There are over 4000 lakes in the whole area, linked by rivers and canals to form an intricate system of waterways. The area is part of my family history in that my mother was pregnant with me when she, my dad and a bunch of newly qualified doctors took of on one of their summer rambles,usually by bicycle. However given her pregnancy my mum and dad kayaked around, so she could sit comfortably, meeting their cycling mates at various camping spots

- Jurata and Jastarnia on the Hel Peninsula, a well remembered holiday spot and I yearn for it after 30 years in Sydney!! The Hel Peninsula is very narrow as little as 200 meters wide in places.

- Wroclaw the city of my birth so I am biased with with good reason I think! See the old market place, (Rynek) which was faithfully reconstructed (as it was built in the 13th century)after being completely destroyed in WWII. in Europe today, it was first planned in 1241. The Town Hall and various buildings are great -gothic to art nouveau. Must visit Ostrow Tumski, the site of the original Wroclaw, where the city was conceived. You cross the Ostrow Tumski bridge to the island. And an absolute must is Panorama Raclawicka- this larger than life painting is so big that it requires a building for itself. Painted by Jan Styka and Wojciech Kossak, it is painted on a 140 m long canvas. The painting depicts the legendary General Tadeusz Kosciuszko's victory over the Russian forces at Raclawice in 1794. Then climb up to the tower of the Cathedral of John the Baptist and see the views.


I MUST stop and there is so much more, away from the usual Krakow-Zakopane etc track

Have fun
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angelnot1: Wow! Thanks for all the great suggestions! I think some of those places you mentioned are possible as day-trips from Krakow.

Other places you mentioned I don't recognize and I will look them up in my guidebook.

I'm getting excited about Poland!

Does Wroclaw work as a day-trip from Krakow? I know that Czestochowa can be a day-trip from Krakow.

Right now, we're considering booking flights which would lock us into an itinerary which includes London, Prague, and Krakow. If we do that, we will use Krakow as our Poland base, and have 5 nights in Krakow. Enough time for a couple day-trips from Krakow.

Originally we were only going to do Prague and Poland. We researched many areas of Poland. I had trouble settling on a place in Poland, besides Krakow, which would have enough facilities for tourists, speaks some English, and is also just enough off the tourist track to give an authentic experience of Poland.

We really enjoyed all that research and learned a lot. In the end we are leaning towards London, Prague, and Krakow.

But I wonder if we're making the right choice? It seems easy to include London because there are nonstop flights which we like, going from LAX to London, so we figured we might as well see London. But seeing London means we would only have 5 nights in Poland, enough for Krakow with day-trips.

Wow this is a long reply. If you read this, and don't mind e-mailing me, I'd love to chat some more about Poland. If you have time, would you mind sending me a letter on tripadvisor's web-site? Everyone on tripadvisor has e-mail as part of the site. I wish fodors had that too! I'm Melissa5 on tripadvisor too.

If you don't want to write that's okay, we can talk here. Thanks so much for taking the time to write the suggestions! I have a feeling that one trip to Poland won't be enough for us! I was thinking that maybe someday on a second trip to Poland we can fly into Warsaw or Gdansk and see a different part of Poland.
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From all that you have said, I would vote for visiting London on a different trip. Five days in Krakow is enough for some day trips, but if you really want to explore some nature and get more off the beaten track, you won't have that much time. In four and a half days in Krakow, the only excursions we were able to fit in were the salt mines, Auschwitz and a bike ride to Tyniec monastery. (although we did get off to late starts each morning....)

You might look into a private guide to help you explore some of the smaller villages where English might not be spoken. We met some people in our Krakow hotel who were on such a trip. And, when we went to Lithuania, we spent an afternoon with a guide who took us to a former "shtetl," which was something we would never have been able to figure out on our own.

From reading your various posts, it just seems like you are so interested in getting a fuller picture of Poland.
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Hi

I did send you my email via tripadvisor

re day trip from Kraków to Wroclaw- anything is possible in this relatively small country ( particularly when you compare it to Australia!) but I would caution you against driving or 'training/busing'too much. I think if you have only a few days in Kraków then just stay there and close environs and leave the rest of Poland to another time.

Kraków can keep you busy -

-Wawel Palace

-Rynek where you must listen to the trumpet playing from Mariacki Church on the hour - it stops very suddenly mid note- this is to commemorate the attack by the Tartars on Kraków and the trumpeteer who was trying to warn the city about the attack and was cut off mid note,killed by an arrow from the tartar hordes

-take a boat ride on the Vistula (Wisla) river

-walk along the Planty and eat hot pretzels from the street vendors

-Have a meal at various restaurants for example: Hawelka in the main square (Polish 'bigos' (stew with meat and cabbage),pierogi - Polish dumplings - Borsch -traditional Polish sour wheat soup or go to Pod Aniołami or Wierzynek restaurant 9established in 1364 more pricey but an experience)

-Listen to jazz and kabaret w Piwnicy z baranami ( 'the basement with rams')- an iconic place but there are lots of others too

-Visit museums such as the Czartoryski Museum located just by the Barbican and City Walls at 19 Sw. Jana street. The Czartoryski family is one of the noble families in Poland and were particularly interested in history and art - the museum has Leonardo Da Vinci's painting Lady with an Ermin

-Also see Palac Biskupa Erazma Ciolka(Palace of Bishop Erasmus Ciolek)- branch of the Krakow National Museum, at 17 Kanonicza street-Treasures of old art, from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance to the Baroque

-I loooove the Jagiellonian (Krakow) University–established in the 14th century - I particularly like the fact that it was 'pushed' by a woman - the Polish queen Jadwiga who lived in the 14the century and whose husband King Ladislav II Jagiello faitfully followed her will to support education -Copernicus and John Paul II attended there.

- and also the usual: Wieliczka salt mines, Oswiêcim (Auschwitz), Kazimierz (jewish quarter), Sukiennice(markets in the main square), zakopane ( 2 days)

So soak up the atmosphere the area rather than dilluting the experience...enjoy

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Melissa, I just stumbled across this, which looks like it might be a daytrip from Krakow, or worth spending a night in the area.

http://www.lanckorona.pl/index.php?a...=3&lang=en

If you also go to the part about "wandering around lanckorona," you will see that it offers hiking and biking.

I'm sure you probably also got information about visiting Zakopane, up in the mountains.

To be honest, I can't figure out where Lanckorona is exactly, but I leave that to you to figure out, if this interests you!
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Thanks to all who contributed to this post. My grandfather came from Lodz in 1916 and I've always wanted to visit Poland. Grew up with many Polish customs and would love to visit the birthplace of my DziaDzia.
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Old Nov 17th, 2007, 01:59 AM
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Thank you, angelnot1 and skatedancer! Angelnot1, got your e-mail and I will send a more detailed reply soon, I really appreciate it.

After a lot of research and family discussions it's been decided we are definitely going to London, Prague, and Krakow. So we will have 5 nights in Krakow (that includes day-trips.) It is convenient that Air New Zealand flies nonstop from LAX to London so that helped to finalize the decision...

We decided we would save northern Poland for another trip.

I am having trouble figuring out where to stay in Krakow that is both quiet and convenient to the Old Town, and doesn't cost a fortune! I might post a question on that. I've checked guidebooks and tripadvisor, but haven't re-checked trip reports yet.

Thanks for everyone's continued help!
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that sounds like a great trip. I think there are a ton of places to stay in Krakow that should fit your bill. I just remember that the busiest streets seemed to be Florianska and Grodska, so you might not want to stay on those. I can't help you with a specific hotel, because ours was one of the more expensive, to be honest . But anywhere in or just outside the Old Town is convenient. Have a great time!
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Perhaps an apartment?

I stayed at the Kazimierz Deluxe Apartment in the middle of the old Jewish town and it was wonderful. Walking distance to Old Town or a quick tram ride with a stop right in the front of the building. Very modern, extremely clean apartment with all the amenities including high speed internet. A nice 24 hour grocery store across the street. Many restaurants, clubs, galleries, etc... within minutes walk.

Best of all - rea$onable!

http://www.cracowonline.com/
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Melissa,
I don't know if this is what you are looking for as it is really a guesthouse as opposed to a hotel but I found the Trecius to be one of the best places I have ever stayed. It is spotlessly clean, 2 mins walk to the old town square, non smoking and has wonderfully helpful staff. It is also very very good value and the breakfast (optional) was superb (fresh fruit, meats, cheese and lots of different breads)

Highly recommended

Also great reviews on tripadvisor.

www.trecius.krakow.pl/uk/index.html
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Thank you cambe, AAFrequentFlyer, and skatedancer. I appreciate the advice and suggestions on accomodations. Probably I should post a separate question on accomodations.

cambe, it's good to chat with you again...how are things up in Belfast? Are you keeping warm and dry? I've heard Trecius mentioned before, and I'll have a look at it, thanks. I actually prefer guest houses over hotels, when I can find one that is suitable for us.

Krakow accomodations are more than I had expected...I've been looking at lots of options. We need 2 rooms for our family which makes it cost twice as much! I really like the looks of the Donimirski Boutique hotels, but it's expensive to get 2 rooms at one of their hotels...

I'll look at Hotel Trecius and the apartment...thanks you all.
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Hi Melissa,

thanks for starting this thread. our anniversary trip intinerary for 2008 [or 2009] takes in Krakow and Wroclaw. I'm definitely marking it down for a one night stop after what I've read here.

let us know how you get on,

regards, ann
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