Prague, some great museums, art deco buildings, palace area, local street food (grog and spicy buns), markets. Possible visits by train to Plzen (beer) and Carlsbad (spa)

Paris and Strasbourg! We loved our time in Paris at Christmas and I am still kicking myself for not hitting Strasbourg during that trip,

I know this isn't a budget-oriented forum, but do you think I could find an apartment in Paris for 150$/night?
Hotels are really expensive! Is Homeaway.com a trustworthy website?

"Other suggestions are welcome."
"I know this isn't a budget-oriented forum, but do you think I could find an apartment in Paris for 150$/night?"

Actually, I think a good number of us travel on a snug budget. You can do much better than that rate in smaller towns in Germany.

A daytrip to Strasbourg from Paris is a big deal, but not from German towns just over the border. I'd suggest staying in the romantic old-world Black Forest town of Gengenbach, an easy 45-min. from train ride from Strasbourg. You could also daytrip to Freiburg (about 1 hour) and smaller Black Forest villages (Triberg, Schiltach, Villingen, all on or near the scenic Black Forest Railway and less than 1 hour away) from there. Gengenbach has its own Christmas market and is renowned for its town hall which gets made up as an advents calendar every Christmas. Freiburg has one too.

http://www.atlas-tours.ch/uploads/tx_easytourist/9sh3704_817.jpg
http://s1.germany.travel/media/microsites_media/ch_weihnachtsmaerkte/teaser_Freiburg.jpg
http://www.stadt-gengenbach.de/en/tourism/

This apartment in Gengenbach is a 5-min. walk from the old town center and runs 35€ for two per night. There are of course options closer in as well.

http://www.fewo-gengenbach.de/en/info.html

The other money-saver in this area is the KONUS program - all hosts in Gengenbach and many other smaller town provide visitors with a guest card that allows free use of the regional trains (and buses) around the Black Forest, to Freiburg, and to the French/German border during your stay:

http://www.blackforest-tourism.com/konus

I love your suggestion Russ. Thanks a lot, but where I should I fly to, if I'm planning to stay in Gengenbch. Munich?

If you have a choice Frankfurt is about 2 hours from Gengenbach via the autobahn...

How long is your stay in Europe. Great Christmas markets till the 24th in Munich, Neuremburg, Salzburg, Vienna, Strausbourg and other smaller towms. The Christmas markets in Prague stay open till New Years.

You can find accomdations of all levels in all the cities you mentioned. You should be able to find accomadations for $150 or under if you don't mind 2 and 3 star hotels. Lots of times the number of stars has to do with things I don't care about like having a lobby bar or a concierge.

In Paris you can find some hotels like the Meuguet in Ru Cler or the Andrea du Rivoli for very reasonable rates. Check Rick Steves books for suggestions for budget places.

Prague is grotesquely overrated and I completely despise Vienna. But of course there is no accounting for taste.

Strasbourg is the best Christmas city. Paris is of course good and so is Berlin. I have no experience with Munich at Christmas, but I would imagine that it is good -- but I might prefer Zürich instead, where I have been for a few fabulous Christmases with friends.

If you are going to Munich, I would recommend Salzburg, as it is very close. Its markets are delightful with a view of the castle.

Hi there,

if you are going to Germany during the holiday season don't miss the Christmas market in Dresden, which is also known as the Striezelmarkt. It is Germany's oldest one and you are definitely in for a treat. http://www.dresden.de/dtg/en/veranstaltungen/weihnachtszeit/weihnachtsmaerkte.php
http://www.dresden.de/en/05/08-Christmas.php

Dresden can be easily reached by train. The journey from Berlin is approximately 2 hours (http://www.bahn.com/i/view/index.shtml). I recommend at least 3 days for Dresden, there is a lot to see and do there. After your stop in Dresden you could easily carry on to Prague via train as well.

I hope that helps.

> Prague is grotesquely overrated ...
He must have had bad some bad experinece like some do anywhere. I have not, yet, in my about 15 travels to Prague in last 10 years or so.

> I know this isn't a budget-oriented forum, but do you think I could find an apartment in Paris for 150$/night?

I'm a budget traveller myself. I have been travelling to Venice and Prague alternatively about last 10 years for Chrismas time. Partly because both cities mostly apply low season hotel rates until before the new year. For Prague, I have stayed in 3* and 4* hotel, particularly Hotel Roma 4* ( about €60 double & € 40 single) and Residence Mala Strana 3* ( € 40 double & 30 single), breakfast included, both located in central but somewhat quieter Mala Strana area. I'm staying at Residence M.S. for €30 again this Christmas this year. Does it sound low enough? I don't know what is 150USD in EURO. Prague has been quiet westernized price-wise as well but you get LOTS of cheap yet nice offers when you know where to go, even in central area. No comparison to Paris ( well just price wise..).

As to Chirstmas market, I enjoy Prague one fairly BUT, I hear German ones are better and more authentic ( especially like Dresden one mentioned above)

I hear Berlin (and Germany in general) is inexpensive as well). Have been there once at Chirstmas time when you still could feel differentr atmosphere western part and eastern part. More than 20 years ago but it was a great experience.

Actually, I had a splendid time in Prague, but two days was enough for me. (My "problem" might simply be the comparision of Prague to Paris, where I live.)

You can spend as much or as little as you want in Paris for both hotels and apartments. In my own neighborhood of Paris, hotel rooms cost 30€ (and they have plenty of tourists in them), and I have known several visitors who have rented studio apartments for well under 300€ a week in various locations of Paris.

Kerouac, what's that neighborhood? Can you recommend some hotels that cost €30?

Hope you had a nice trip.

Dusseldorf and Cologne have great Christmas markets too.
For next year.

Berlin for some reason is very inexpensive, that was our cheapest weekend trip we ever took in 9 years living in Europe. You get a lot for your money there.