3 nights in Paris, best area to stay?
Jan 31st, 2017, 02:10 PM
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3 nights in Paris, best area to stay?
We (family with college aged kids) will be staying in Paris for 3 nights in February and plan to rent a flat. We will be arriving at the airport, and will be relying on public transportation to get around. We would like to stay close to or in the city and near a metro station, but would like somewhere that's not too noisy. Any suggestions on areas that would meet our needs? Thank you!
Jan 31st, 2017, 02:35 PM
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Don't rent an apartment. Not only are the vast majority of them illegal, you will have to wait to check into the apartment, learn to use building codes and keys, figure out how to run appliances, figure out how to take out the garbage and use sacs jaunes and sacs noirs, figure out using the wifi, etc. Plus, no one wants to rent an apartment for 3 days, or I should say no one who's got a nice apartment - they rent them for a week at a time, usually from Saturday to Saturday. If you are under the impression that staying in an apartment is going to make you "live like a local," yes, that's true, with all the baggage that comes with that.
Get a hotel so you have a front desk to answer your questions and help with your visit."Near a métro" puts you just about anywhere in Paris. If you're new to Paris you probably want to be close to the Seine in the 4ème, 5ème, or 6ème. If "not too noisy" is a criterion for you, check booking.com and read reviews.
Get a hotel so you have a front desk to answer your questions and help with your visit."Near a métro" puts you just about anywhere in Paris. If you're new to Paris you probably want to be close to the Seine in the 4ème, 5ème, or 6ème. If "not too noisy" is a criterion for you, check booking.com and read reviews.
Jan 31st, 2017, 03:04 PM
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To piggy back on this as I was also planning to rent using VRBO.com in 4 cities in Europe, how are they able to offer them if they are illegal? I am really concerned as I do not like the hotel experience at all when traveling, prefer to have a more private place. Is this something to really worry about? The reviews seem legit, but I am not an expert.
Jan 31st, 2017, 03:29 PM
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>how are they able to offer them if they are illegal?< Are you joking? Anyone can adverstise on the internet, but yes, most of the short-term rentals are not quite up to snuff. We stayed in one in Lyon recently; no passport required, paid by PayPal, no city tax or VAT. Found them on booking.com, so what does that say about the system.
Jan 31st, 2017, 03:31 PM
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>>in 4 cities in Europe, how are they able to offer them if they are illegal?<<
They are not 'offering' anything. airbnb and vrbo are simply listing sites -- they are not renting anything. It is the apartment owners who are breaking the law.
They are not 'offering' anything. airbnb and vrbo are simply listing sites -- they are not renting anything. It is the apartment owners who are breaking the law.
Jan 31st, 2017, 03:42 PM
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Try http://www.parisautrement.com/
We also do not want to stay in a hotel which is much more expensive. We use them every time we stay in Paris ( for short stays of 3 days too )and are booked again in June. You can speak to them on the phone if you have any worries about illegal apartments. They have a large number of apartments in the Marais to choose from and have been very good to deal with in our experience. We are prepared to take the chance.
We also do not want to stay in a hotel which is much more expensive. We use them every time we stay in Paris ( for short stays of 3 days too )and are booked again in June. You can speak to them on the phone if you have any worries about illegal apartments. They have a large number of apartments in the Marais to choose from and have been very good to deal with in our experience. We are prepared to take the chance.
Jan 31st, 2017, 03:48 PM
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There is nothing magical about either onefinestay or parisautrement -- and having stayed there previously means nothing really. The city fathers didn't used to enforce the rules -- they are much more likely to do that now.
Jan 31st, 2017, 11:02 PM
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Take the chance.
You'll be helping the black economy by giving money to tax fraudsters.
You don't risk anything legally. But we see more posts about apartments disappearing overnight. You may be refunded or not or relocated or not.
You also will sleep in places that are not complying with safety regulations. But only a handful of tourists die in such apartments per year. Mostly by gas intoxication Again no big deal. Small percentage.
You can also jump the turnstiles when entering the metro. It is also illegal but some (most) are not caught.
You can also drive through a red light.
Welcome to FRANCE. No need to respect our laws you are just a tourist.
You'll be helping the black economy by giving money to tax fraudsters.
You don't risk anything legally. But we see more posts about apartments disappearing overnight. You may be refunded or not or relocated or not.
You also will sleep in places that are not complying with safety regulations. But only a handful of tourists die in such apartments per year. Mostly by gas intoxication Again no big deal. Small percentage.
You can also jump the turnstiles when entering the metro. It is also illegal but some (most) are not caught.
You can also drive through a red light.
Welcome to FRANCE. No need to respect our laws you are just a tourist.
Jan 31st, 2017, 11:16 PM
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Any agencies can list apartments on the internet, and are not breaking the law by doing so.
These agencies will not vouch for the fact that their apartments are legal, though. Owners and managers will tell you what you want to hear.
To date, only 120 apartments are listed as "legal" by the Mayor's Office. There is no list available which gives actual addresses of these apartments. It is simply not worth the time and trouble to try to find out if an apartment is legal, especially since there is an active crackdown going on in Paris.
You will actually be staying about 2 nights, because the normal check-in time for rental apartments is around 2 PM, and you must vacate the apartment by 10 or noon when you depart. The most common complaint about short-term rentals is that you do not have the option to drop your luggage if you arrive before the apartment is ready, so will have to haul it around with you. No fun if it's raining or cold.
You didn't state how many are in your family, but it would be extremely difficult to find two adjoining apartments in the same building anywhere in Paris. Residential apartment buildings are not set up like hotels or vacation condos.
In addition, the owner/manager would prefer to rent for a week, rather than just 3 days. You might face a last-minute cancellation, disguised as "plumbing problems". Then the burden would be on you to find alternative housing.
There are legal apart'hotels, here are a few suggestions. All are located close to Metro and many will be within walking distance to the usual attractions. All will have real beds, kitchens and usually laundry facilities. Many will have family rooms, or adjoining apartments - handy to have more than one full bathroom:
http://www.citadines.com/
(Citadines Les Halles or Richard Lenoir are good neighborhoods)
http://www.adagio-city.com/gb/home/index.shtml
http://www.residencehenri4.com/en/
http://leroidesicile-paris.com/eng/
These agencies will not vouch for the fact that their apartments are legal, though. Owners and managers will tell you what you want to hear.
To date, only 120 apartments are listed as "legal" by the Mayor's Office. There is no list available which gives actual addresses of these apartments. It is simply not worth the time and trouble to try to find out if an apartment is legal, especially since there is an active crackdown going on in Paris.
You will actually be staying about 2 nights, because the normal check-in time for rental apartments is around 2 PM, and you must vacate the apartment by 10 or noon when you depart. The most common complaint about short-term rentals is that you do not have the option to drop your luggage if you arrive before the apartment is ready, so will have to haul it around with you. No fun if it's raining or cold.
You didn't state how many are in your family, but it would be extremely difficult to find two adjoining apartments in the same building anywhere in Paris. Residential apartment buildings are not set up like hotels or vacation condos.
In addition, the owner/manager would prefer to rent for a week, rather than just 3 days. You might face a last-minute cancellation, disguised as "plumbing problems". Then the burden would be on you to find alternative housing.
There are legal apart'hotels, here are a few suggestions. All are located close to Metro and many will be within walking distance to the usual attractions. All will have real beds, kitchens and usually laundry facilities. Many will have family rooms, or adjoining apartments - handy to have more than one full bathroom:
http://www.citadines.com/
(Citadines Les Halles or Richard Lenoir are good neighborhoods)
http://www.adagio-city.com/gb/home/index.shtml
http://www.residencehenri4.com/en/
http://leroidesicile-paris.com/eng/
Feb 1st, 2017, 01:52 AM
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Not yet finalized.
Start asking them for an invoice and avoid any cash payment. Ask the renter what steps they have taken and how they can prove they are legal. Ask if they pay the 'taxe de de séjour'.
What I found on the subject is that renters will have to ask/get a special reference that will be specified on the ad.
'La déclaration, effectuée par internet, donnera lieu à la délivrance d'un numéro de déclaration qui devra figurer dans les annonces de location, sous peine de sanction financière. '
I didn't find a register that lists the legal apts.
http://www.pap.fr/conseils/location/...ur-louer/a8132
Loi pour une République numérique : de nouvelles La déclaration, effectuée par internet, donnera lieu à la délivrance d'un numéro de déclaration qui devra figurer dans les annonces de location, sous peine de sanction financière.
obligations courant 2017
A l'été 2017, tous les propriétaires qui louent en saisonnier dans la capitale pourraient avoir à respecter un mécanisme de déclaration préalable soumise à enregistrement par la mairie de Paris. Cette procédure devra être respectée que le logement loué constitue ou non la résidence principale du propriétaire bailleur.
Par ailleurs, les locataires qui sous-louent en saisonnier leur logement pendant leurs absences devront également se plier à cette formalité (après avoir obtenu du propriétaire l'autorisation de sous-louer le logement bien évidemment).
Autre incidence de la loi : tout loueur qui propose un logement sur une plateforme numérique doit obligatoirement fournir à la société une déclaration sur l'honneur attestant du respect des obligations requises ( article L 324-2-1 du Code de Tourisme).
Source : loi n° 2016-1321 du 7 octobre 2016 pour une République numérique
Start asking them for an invoice and avoid any cash payment. Ask the renter what steps they have taken and how they can prove they are legal. Ask if they pay the 'taxe de de séjour'.
What I found on the subject is that renters will have to ask/get a special reference that will be specified on the ad.
'La déclaration, effectuée par internet, donnera lieu à la délivrance d'un numéro de déclaration qui devra figurer dans les annonces de location, sous peine de sanction financière. '
I didn't find a register that lists the legal apts.
http://www.pap.fr/conseils/location/...ur-louer/a8132
Loi pour une République numérique : de nouvelles La déclaration, effectuée par internet, donnera lieu à la délivrance d'un numéro de déclaration qui devra figurer dans les annonces de location, sous peine de sanction financière.
obligations courant 2017
A l'été 2017, tous les propriétaires qui louent en saisonnier dans la capitale pourraient avoir à respecter un mécanisme de déclaration préalable soumise à enregistrement par la mairie de Paris. Cette procédure devra être respectée que le logement loué constitue ou non la résidence principale du propriétaire bailleur.
Par ailleurs, les locataires qui sous-louent en saisonnier leur logement pendant leurs absences devront également se plier à cette formalité (après avoir obtenu du propriétaire l'autorisation de sous-louer le logement bien évidemment).
Autre incidence de la loi : tout loueur qui propose un logement sur une plateforme numérique doit obligatoirement fournir à la société une déclaration sur l'honneur attestant du respect des obligations requises ( article L 324-2-1 du Code de Tourisme).
Source : loi n° 2016-1321 du 7 octobre 2016 pour une République numérique
Feb 1st, 2017, 01:53 AM
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Might a useful compromise be a Citadines or Aparthotel?
Most people would advise you to stay in one of the central (lower number) arrondissements, but you may find better deals a little further out - for instance, I notice there seem to be more in the way of hotel rooms and hotel-apartment set-ups in the area I like around the 11th/12th boundary just east of Bastille, and those are noticeably cheaper than others. I don't feel it takes up much in the way of additional metro travel time, and you would get a better feel of a more everyday and less tourist-oriented Paris.
http://tinyurl.com/Paris-aparthotels
Most people would advise you to stay in one of the central (lower number) arrondissements, but you may find better deals a little further out - for instance, I notice there seem to be more in the way of hotel rooms and hotel-apartment set-ups in the area I like around the 11th/12th boundary just east of Bastille, and those are noticeably cheaper than others. I don't feel it takes up much in the way of additional metro travel time, and you would get a better feel of a more everyday and less tourist-oriented Paris.
http://tinyurl.com/Paris-aparthotels
Feb 1st, 2017, 07:44 AM
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I will also confirm that anybody asking for a cash payment is 100% illegal.
As for the risk of renting an illegal apartment, the only one for the vacationer is to have the rental cancelled a day or two before you arrive. However, on TA there was an incredible tale the other day of the municipal apartment checkers visiting during the rental and the owner making the people move into his own apartment to avoid the 1000 euro per day fine...
As for the risk of renting an illegal apartment, the only one for the vacationer is to have the rental cancelled a day or two before you arrive. However, on TA there was an incredible tale the other day of the municipal apartment checkers visiting during the rental and the owner making the people move into his own apartment to avoid the 1000 euro per day fine...
Feb 1st, 2017, 08:55 AM
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Your college-aged family members might enjoy the Latin Quarter, with its younger populaton.
DH and I liked its lively vibe, location, and little restaurants/bars.
We especially liked the Le Petit Prince for dinner.
http://www.lepetitprincedeparis.fr/english/index.php
We liked the Hotel St Jacques.
http://www.paris-hotel-stjacques.com...nnecting-rooms
DH and I liked its lively vibe, location, and little restaurants/bars.
We especially liked the Le Petit Prince for dinner.
http://www.lepetitprincedeparis.fr/english/index.php
We liked the Hotel St Jacques.
http://www.paris-hotel-stjacques.com...nnecting-rooms
