New Zealand South Island 15 Nights Itinerary
Oct 14th, 2017, 10:53 PM
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New Zealand South Island 15 Nights Itinerary
Hi, we are a group of 4 ( 40's, 50's & 70's) planning a self drive holiday to the SI of NZ either April/May 2018 or late Nov2018 depending on the price of flight tickets. At the moment, Nov 18 is the preferred time due to work commitments and we are drafting an itinerary before looking up flights.We like to plan way ahead in order to get cheaper flights & accomodations. We have done a NI self drive years ago and for this time, we are allocating 15 to 16 nights to the SI.
Due to knee problems among 2 of us, for this trip we are interested in a relaxing holiday, scenic drives and short walks. No trekking , long strenuous walk or adrenalin filled activities for us. Please fill free to comment :
Itinerary A
Day 1 ---Arrive Christchurch. Overnight Christchurch (1N)
Day 2 ----Christchurch to Punaikaiki via Arthur Pass. Overnight Punaikaiki (1N)
Day 3&4-----Punaikaiki to Franz Josef (2N). Plan to do self guided walk to Franz Josef & Fox glaciers terminal, Lake Matheson and Glacier Hot pools.
Day 5----Franz Josef to Wanaka (1N) via Haast pass and Mount Aspiring National Park. Will stop at attractions along the way.
Day 6,7,8 ---Wanaka to Queenstown (3N) via Crown Range Road and Cadrona Valley. Day trips & drives to Glenorchy, Arrowtown and wineries at Cromwell from Queenstown
Day 9,10---Queenatown to Te Anau (2N). Daytrip to Milford Sound and doing a sound cruise.Stop at attractions on the way back to Te Anau.
Day 11,12----Te Anau to Dunedin (2N) via Gore, Baclutha. Enroute visit Purakaunui Falls and Nugget Point. Day trip to Otago Peninsular.
Day 13---Dunedin to Mt Cook (1N) via Oamaru, Omarama & Twizel. Enroute stop at Moeraki Boulders.
Day 14 ----Mt Cook to Christchurch . Enroute stop at Lake Tekapo. Night at Christchurch.
Day 15 ---Day trip from Christchurch to either Akoroa or Kaikoura . Which is better ? Please advise. Overnight Christchurch.
Day 16 ---Depart Christchurch.
If we use the itinerary above, we would miss out driving the Lindis Pass which is highly scenic and recommended.
There is a suggestion to tweak the above itinerary to the one below from Day 6 to include Lindis Pass
Itinerary B
Day 1-5 ----As above itinerary A.
Day 6,7 ----Wanaka to Dunedin (2N)
Day 8,9 ---Dunedin to Te Anau (2N). Enroute visit Nuggets Point & Purakaunui Falls.
Day 10,11,12 ---Te Anau to Queenstown (3N)
Day 13 ----Queenstown to Mt Cook (1N) via Lindis pass.
Day 14,15 ---Mt Cook to Christchurch (2N) .Stop at Lake Tekapo.
My questions are :
1. Which itinerary is better in terms of scenery ? Route A or B ? Route A will drive through Crown Range Road from Wanaka to Queenstown but not Lindis Pass. Route B will have Lindis Pass from Queenstown to Mt Cook but not Crown Range Road. Is there an option that I can drive both Crown Range & Lindis Pass ?
2. Is staying 1N at Mt Cook sufficient as we are not able to do long, strenuous walk ?
3. Is it better to do a day trip to Akoroa or Kaikoura from Christchurch ? Which has more to offer ?
4. We are skipping Nelson & Abel Tasman because we might not be able to enjoy the national park due to mobility issue and choosing Dunedin instead. Should we skip Dunedin and make time for the north of Christchurch ?
Please feel free to comment as nothing is booked yet. Thank you.
Due to knee problems among 2 of us, for this trip we are interested in a relaxing holiday, scenic drives and short walks. No trekking , long strenuous walk or adrenalin filled activities for us. Please fill free to comment :
Itinerary A
Day 1 ---Arrive Christchurch. Overnight Christchurch (1N)
Day 2 ----Christchurch to Punaikaiki via Arthur Pass. Overnight Punaikaiki (1N)
Day 3&4-----Punaikaiki to Franz Josef (2N). Plan to do self guided walk to Franz Josef & Fox glaciers terminal, Lake Matheson and Glacier Hot pools.
Day 5----Franz Josef to Wanaka (1N) via Haast pass and Mount Aspiring National Park. Will stop at attractions along the way.
Day 6,7,8 ---Wanaka to Queenstown (3N) via Crown Range Road and Cadrona Valley. Day trips & drives to Glenorchy, Arrowtown and wineries at Cromwell from Queenstown
Day 9,10---Queenatown to Te Anau (2N). Daytrip to Milford Sound and doing a sound cruise.Stop at attractions on the way back to Te Anau.
Day 11,12----Te Anau to Dunedin (2N) via Gore, Baclutha. Enroute visit Purakaunui Falls and Nugget Point. Day trip to Otago Peninsular.
Day 13---Dunedin to Mt Cook (1N) via Oamaru, Omarama & Twizel. Enroute stop at Moeraki Boulders.
Day 14 ----Mt Cook to Christchurch . Enroute stop at Lake Tekapo. Night at Christchurch.
Day 15 ---Day trip from Christchurch to either Akoroa or Kaikoura . Which is better ? Please advise. Overnight Christchurch.
Day 16 ---Depart Christchurch.
If we use the itinerary above, we would miss out driving the Lindis Pass which is highly scenic and recommended.
There is a suggestion to tweak the above itinerary to the one below from Day 6 to include Lindis Pass
Itinerary B
Day 1-5 ----As above itinerary A.
Day 6,7 ----Wanaka to Dunedin (2N)
Day 8,9 ---Dunedin to Te Anau (2N). Enroute visit Nuggets Point & Purakaunui Falls.
Day 10,11,12 ---Te Anau to Queenstown (3N)
Day 13 ----Queenstown to Mt Cook (1N) via Lindis pass.
Day 14,15 ---Mt Cook to Christchurch (2N) .Stop at Lake Tekapo.
My questions are :
1. Which itinerary is better in terms of scenery ? Route A or B ? Route A will drive through Crown Range Road from Wanaka to Queenstown but not Lindis Pass. Route B will have Lindis Pass from Queenstown to Mt Cook but not Crown Range Road. Is there an option that I can drive both Crown Range & Lindis Pass ?
2. Is staying 1N at Mt Cook sufficient as we are not able to do long, strenuous walk ?
3. Is it better to do a day trip to Akoroa or Kaikoura from Christchurch ? Which has more to offer ?
4. We are skipping Nelson & Abel Tasman because we might not be able to enjoy the national park due to mobility issue and choosing Dunedin instead. Should we skip Dunedin and make time for the north of Christchurch ?
Please feel free to comment as nothing is booked yet. Thank you.
Oct 15th, 2017, 02:45 AM
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In the south of the South Island, November can be wet and windy, but the days are long. (Though, so far, this spring has been gorgeous, warmer and drier than average.) April usually has more settled weather, but school holidays from Saturday April 14 through Sunday April 29 (includes ANZAC day, April 25). May can be nice or cold and wet, fewer tourists visit, days become short. See sunrise/sunset times here:
https://rasnz.org.nz/in-the-sky/sun-rise-and-set
You wrote: "Due to knee problems among 2 of us, for this trip we are interested in a relaxing holiday, scenic drives and short walks. No trekking , long strenuous walk or adrenalin filled activities for us."
Do those with bad knees have trouble walking too far or are hills the major problem?
Do you mainly want to visit Kaikoura and/or Akaroa for the views, or are you interested in wildlife cruises? Akaroa is known for its Hector's dolphin cruises, Kaikoura for its whale watch, pelagic bird and Dusky dolphin cruises/swims, and fur seals. If just for views, one night should do.
What time will you be arriving in Christchurch? If you're arriving from the U.S., you'll probably get in during the morning, so you can explore city center attractions in the afternoon. The Botanic Garden, Canterbury Museum, Christchurch Art Gallery are within easy, close walking distance to one another (this part of Christchurch is flat). Container Mall and Cardboard (Transitional) Cathedral are not too far of a walk away, though those with bad knees might want to take a break at this point. Mind you, I'm not saying you should visit all these places. The Botanic Garden and Canterbury Museum (which is at the edge of the gardens so you wouldn't have to walk far) are probably most interesting.
If your get into Christchurch early and manage to sightsee a bit on this first day, then maybe you won't have to spend more days there at the end of your trip. This way you can drive from Mt. Cook to Akaroa and then drive to the airport from there (providing your flight is not early). No need to return to Christchurch, given your limited time.
With respect to Mt. Cook, you said you can't do "long, strenuous walks." Would "long, strenuous" be an hour or more or less? The Hooker Valley Track is almost flat (or gently climbing) but it takes about 3 hours roundtrip. If you wanted, you could walk part of it. But if you'll not be walking at all I think you can still appreciate the area's beauty. The 45-minute drive from the main highway (SH8) along Lake Pukaki to Aoraki Mt. Cook Village is as beautiful as is the village itself. Or you might want to consider the Glacier Explorers Tour (only a little walking required).
http://www.glacierexplorers.com/
What is your interest in Dunedin? Because if you skip Dunedin, then you'll have time for Kaikoura-Picton-Queen Charlotte Drive-Nelson area.
So you could do
1. Christchurch (if you get in during the morning, can explore during the afternoon)
2. Kaikoura
3. Nelson area
4. Nelson area
5. Punakaiki
6. FJ
7. FJ
8. Wanaka
9. Te Anau
10. Te Anau (day trip to Milford Sound)
11. Q'town
12. Q'town
13. Q'town
14. Mt. Cook (not much walking)
15. Akaroa (just to see it)
16. Leave
If you go with itinerary A, maybe skip Purakaunui Falls. Te Anau to Purakaunui Falls parking lot takes 3 hours, then Purakaunui Falls parking lot to Nugget Point Lighthouse parking lot takes 45 minutes, then Nugget Point Lighthouse parking lot to Dunedin via the Southern Scenic Route will be about 1 hour 50 minutes (or 90 minutes if you take the most direct route, which is not as scenic). This does not even take into account the 40 minute roundtrip walk from the Nugget Point Lighthouse parking lot to the lookout over the "nuggets."
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...-tokata-walks/
Or the 20-minute roundtrip walk from Purakaunui Falls parking lot to the falls.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...ui-falls-walk/
I was underwhelmed by Purakaunui Falls (though it photographs well) and haven't felt the need to return, but I think Nugget Point Lighthouse and the "nuggets" are a highlight of the South Island's East Coast.
If you go with itinerary A and cut that last night in Christchurch, this could free up a night, maybe for a second night in Wanaka, or a night in the Catlins, or a night in Oamaru. Oamaru to Mt. Cook is 2.5 hours without stops. But Oamaru to Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout is 1 hour 50 minutes, then from Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout to Mt. Cook 1 hour 27 minutes. So if you took itinerary A, dropped that last night in Christchurch, and instead spent a night in Oamaru (a lovely small city with a Little Blue Penguin colony, beautifully maintained Victorian precinct, and unusual Steampunk HQ gallery), you could make a detour to Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout without adding too much time onto your drive. I'm just suggesting this as you seemed torn between Crown Range Road and Lindis Pass. This would be a way of seeing them both.
I live in Dunedin, so if you have questions about the city or the Otago Peninsula or attractions between Dunedin and Oamaru/Waitaki Valley, just ask.
https://rasnz.org.nz/in-the-sky/sun-rise-and-set
You wrote: "Due to knee problems among 2 of us, for this trip we are interested in a relaxing holiday, scenic drives and short walks. No trekking , long strenuous walk or adrenalin filled activities for us."
Do those with bad knees have trouble walking too far or are hills the major problem?
Do you mainly want to visit Kaikoura and/or Akaroa for the views, or are you interested in wildlife cruises? Akaroa is known for its Hector's dolphin cruises, Kaikoura for its whale watch, pelagic bird and Dusky dolphin cruises/swims, and fur seals. If just for views, one night should do.
What time will you be arriving in Christchurch? If you're arriving from the U.S., you'll probably get in during the morning, so you can explore city center attractions in the afternoon. The Botanic Garden, Canterbury Museum, Christchurch Art Gallery are within easy, close walking distance to one another (this part of Christchurch is flat). Container Mall and Cardboard (Transitional) Cathedral are not too far of a walk away, though those with bad knees might want to take a break at this point. Mind you, I'm not saying you should visit all these places. The Botanic Garden and Canterbury Museum (which is at the edge of the gardens so you wouldn't have to walk far) are probably most interesting.
If your get into Christchurch early and manage to sightsee a bit on this first day, then maybe you won't have to spend more days there at the end of your trip. This way you can drive from Mt. Cook to Akaroa and then drive to the airport from there (providing your flight is not early). No need to return to Christchurch, given your limited time.
With respect to Mt. Cook, you said you can't do "long, strenuous walks." Would "long, strenuous" be an hour or more or less? The Hooker Valley Track is almost flat (or gently climbing) but it takes about 3 hours roundtrip. If you wanted, you could walk part of it. But if you'll not be walking at all I think you can still appreciate the area's beauty. The 45-minute drive from the main highway (SH8) along Lake Pukaki to Aoraki Mt. Cook Village is as beautiful as is the village itself. Or you might want to consider the Glacier Explorers Tour (only a little walking required).
http://www.glacierexplorers.com/
What is your interest in Dunedin? Because if you skip Dunedin, then you'll have time for Kaikoura-Picton-Queen Charlotte Drive-Nelson area.
So you could do
1. Christchurch (if you get in during the morning, can explore during the afternoon)
2. Kaikoura
3. Nelson area
4. Nelson area
5. Punakaiki
6. FJ
7. FJ
8. Wanaka
9. Te Anau
10. Te Anau (day trip to Milford Sound)
11. Q'town
12. Q'town
13. Q'town
14. Mt. Cook (not much walking)
15. Akaroa (just to see it)
16. Leave
If you go with itinerary A, maybe skip Purakaunui Falls. Te Anau to Purakaunui Falls parking lot takes 3 hours, then Purakaunui Falls parking lot to Nugget Point Lighthouse parking lot takes 45 minutes, then Nugget Point Lighthouse parking lot to Dunedin via the Southern Scenic Route will be about 1 hour 50 minutes (or 90 minutes if you take the most direct route, which is not as scenic). This does not even take into account the 40 minute roundtrip walk from the Nugget Point Lighthouse parking lot to the lookout over the "nuggets."
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...-tokata-walks/
Or the 20-minute roundtrip walk from Purakaunui Falls parking lot to the falls.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...ui-falls-walk/
I was underwhelmed by Purakaunui Falls (though it photographs well) and haven't felt the need to return, but I think Nugget Point Lighthouse and the "nuggets" are a highlight of the South Island's East Coast.
If you go with itinerary A and cut that last night in Christchurch, this could free up a night, maybe for a second night in Wanaka, or a night in the Catlins, or a night in Oamaru. Oamaru to Mt. Cook is 2.5 hours without stops. But Oamaru to Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout is 1 hour 50 minutes, then from Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout to Mt. Cook 1 hour 27 minutes. So if you took itinerary A, dropped that last night in Christchurch, and instead spent a night in Oamaru (a lovely small city with a Little Blue Penguin colony, beautifully maintained Victorian precinct, and unusual Steampunk HQ gallery), you could make a detour to Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout without adding too much time onto your drive. I'm just suggesting this as you seemed torn between Crown Range Road and Lindis Pass. This would be a way of seeing them both.
I live in Dunedin, so if you have questions about the city or the Otago Peninsula or attractions between Dunedin and Oamaru/Waitaki Valley, just ask.
Oct 15th, 2017, 05:20 AM
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It's refreshing to see a reasonable itinerary! It seems you've done your homework.
I think your first itinerary is fine, although it's a shame you don't have more time for Wanaka. From a Wanaka base you can drive into Mt Aspiring National Park - just follow Mt Aspiring Road into the Matukituki Valley; it’s 39 km to the first ford, most of which is gravel and can be washboard rough (check your rental car contract, it might be a rental car violation). This drive involves crossing a lot of fords, best avoided after rain.
There are some fabulous walks that originate from Matukituki Valley, and while your party may not be up for walking them, the scenery alone makes the drive worth the effort. To make this drive, you'd need at least a full day in Wanaka, meaning two nights.
You'll pass Diamond Lake and Wanaka Lake lookout enroute - incredible views from up there on a clear day - this does involve a trek though, the lake circuit is three miles.
Regarding which route is better in terms of scenery - it's all good! Seriously, you cannot go wrong on the SI with the notable exception of the drive along the east coast between Christchurch and Oamaru - this is the least scenic stretch of road on the SI (IMO).
Crown Range Road and Lindis Pass don't jump out at me as not-to-miss drives on the SI - the drive from Cromwell to Queenstown via the Kawarau Gorge is also very pretty, and you'll miss this if you drive via Crown Range Road.
One of my personal favorite drives is along the West Coast, and you'll be doing that.
If Crown Range Road is important to you, you can certainly make the drive as a side trip from QT, perhaps combining it with your trip to Arrowtown - that way you can see both it and the Kawarau Gorge routes.
For a drive with fabulous views, you might consider taking the tour into Skipper's Canyon (from QT). Rental cars are forbidden, but the tour is well worth the investment and you will see some gorgeous bits of the SI.
As for whether to visit Abel Tasman instead of Dunedin - this would be my choice. With all due respect to Diamantina, I'm not a fan of Dunedin. It's a city, and while there is quite a bit on offer there, I'd choose Abel Tasman over Dunedin in a NY minute.
There's quite a bit to do in the Abel Tasman region even if you're unable to walk long distances, plenty of short strolls, kayak and scenic boat trips, lots of beautiful beaches (Kaiteriteri and Little Kaiteriteri).
Then there's the wine region near Nelson and Upper Moutere (as well as a vibrant arts and crafts district), pretty Mapua Wharf, Ruby Bay, etc.
I adore this area, so much to see and do, so little time.
As for which to do from Christchurch, Akaroa or Kaikoura, I'd choose Akaroa. It's closer, it's prettier (IMO) and its easier to get to. As far as I know, the direct route to Kaikoura is still closed due to earthquake damage (Diamantina can clarify this).
It'll take you less than 90 minutes to get to Akaroa; the drive to Kaikoura is currently almost three hours each way via the alternate route. The drive to Akaroa is very pretty and there are many roads that wind above it and provide fabulous views over the settlement. You might want to incorporate the harbor town of Lyttelton, it's been years since we were there, but pre-earthquake it was a pretty little town.
It's refreshing to see a reasonable itinerary! It seems you've done your homework.
I think your first itinerary is fine, although it's a shame you don't have more time for Wanaka. From a Wanaka base you can drive into Mt Aspiring National Park - just follow Mt Aspiring Road into the Matukituki Valley; it’s 39 km to the first ford, most of which is gravel and can be washboard rough (check your rental car contract, it might be a rental car violation). This drive involves crossing a lot of fords, best avoided after rain.
There are some fabulous walks that originate from Matukituki Valley, and while your party may not be up for walking them, the scenery alone makes the drive worth the effort. To make this drive, you'd need at least a full day in Wanaka, meaning two nights.
You'll pass Diamond Lake and Wanaka Lake lookout enroute - incredible views from up there on a clear day - this does involve a trek though, the lake circuit is three miles.
Regarding which route is better in terms of scenery - it's all good! Seriously, you cannot go wrong on the SI with the notable exception of the drive along the east coast between Christchurch and Oamaru - this is the least scenic stretch of road on the SI (IMO).
Crown Range Road and Lindis Pass don't jump out at me as not-to-miss drives on the SI - the drive from Cromwell to Queenstown via the Kawarau Gorge is also very pretty, and you'll miss this if you drive via Crown Range Road.
One of my personal favorite drives is along the West Coast, and you'll be doing that.
If Crown Range Road is important to you, you can certainly make the drive as a side trip from QT, perhaps combining it with your trip to Arrowtown - that way you can see both it and the Kawarau Gorge routes.
For a drive with fabulous views, you might consider taking the tour into Skipper's Canyon (from QT). Rental cars are forbidden, but the tour is well worth the investment and you will see some gorgeous bits of the SI.
As for whether to visit Abel Tasman instead of Dunedin - this would be my choice. With all due respect to Diamantina, I'm not a fan of Dunedin. It's a city, and while there is quite a bit on offer there, I'd choose Abel Tasman over Dunedin in a NY minute.
There's quite a bit to do in the Abel Tasman region even if you're unable to walk long distances, plenty of short strolls, kayak and scenic boat trips, lots of beautiful beaches (Kaiteriteri and Little Kaiteriteri).
Then there's the wine region near Nelson and Upper Moutere (as well as a vibrant arts and crafts district), pretty Mapua Wharf, Ruby Bay, etc.
I adore this area, so much to see and do, so little time.
As for which to do from Christchurch, Akaroa or Kaikoura, I'd choose Akaroa. It's closer, it's prettier (IMO) and its easier to get to. As far as I know, the direct route to Kaikoura is still closed due to earthquake damage (Diamantina can clarify this).
It'll take you less than 90 minutes to get to Akaroa; the drive to Kaikoura is currently almost three hours each way via the alternate route. The drive to Akaroa is very pretty and there are many roads that wind above it and provide fabulous views over the settlement. You might want to incorporate the harbor town of Lyttelton, it's been years since we were there, but pre-earthquake it was a pretty little town.
Oct 15th, 2017, 05:42 AM
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Thank you Diamantina for your input. We will most probably opt for late November 2018 for our trip due to work commitments. Due to knee problems, walking that involves hilly terrain would be a stretch but gentle flat walk that last less than 2 hours return should be doable.This trip is mainly for relaxing and for scenic drives and view.
No particular reason to visit Dunedin but since we can spare 15 to 16 nights, we decided to include it in our itinerary. But your suggestion to use the time to visit Kaikoura and Nelson instead is a possibility provided SH 1 will be opened by Nov 2018. If not, it will involves a lot of driving using alternative routes. Do you know whether SH 1 will reopen by then ? Using this alternative also means missing out on Arthur Pass.
We are coming from Malaysia, most probably arriving at Christchurch in the morning and depart Christchurch at noon, so driving from MtCook to Akoroa for a night makes sense.We can then either drive early next morning from there to the airport.
If we decide to go with itinerary A, will definitely cut out Purakaunui Falls but is it possible to drive from Dunedin to Mt Cook via Oamaru and detouring to Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout without stoping for a night at Oamaru ? Is Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout the highlight of Lindis Pass ?
New Zealand SI has so many scenic drives that it is difficult to choose with our limited time. We understand that it is impossible to do all with our time limit but we need help to choose the best for the time allocated and the interest involves.Hope fellow fodorites will help.Planning to lock in flight tickets this Dec in order to secure a good rate. Thank you
No particular reason to visit Dunedin but since we can spare 15 to 16 nights, we decided to include it in our itinerary. But your suggestion to use the time to visit Kaikoura and Nelson instead is a possibility provided SH 1 will be opened by Nov 2018. If not, it will involves a lot of driving using alternative routes. Do you know whether SH 1 will reopen by then ? Using this alternative also means missing out on Arthur Pass.
We are coming from Malaysia, most probably arriving at Christchurch in the morning and depart Christchurch at noon, so driving from MtCook to Akoroa for a night makes sense.We can then either drive early next morning from there to the airport.
If we decide to go with itinerary A, will definitely cut out Purakaunui Falls but is it possible to drive from Dunedin to Mt Cook via Oamaru and detouring to Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout without stoping for a night at Oamaru ? Is Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout the highlight of Lindis Pass ?
New Zealand SI has so many scenic drives that it is difficult to choose with our limited time. We understand that it is impossible to do all with our time limit but we need help to choose the best for the time allocated and the interest involves.Hope fellow fodorites will help.Planning to lock in flight tickets this Dec in order to secure a good rate. Thank you
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NZ Transport Agency is aiming for a fully functional road by this Christmas:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9243...-for-christmas
However, they've had to contend with lots of rain, causing slips, so I wouldn't be surprised if they fall behind this target date (my guess would be a few weeks to a few months). But by November 2018 the road should be open (barring any future unprecedented natural disasters that no one can predict).
Freight rail services were restored about a month ago, but heavy rain in the area causing slips shut these down again. While freight rail services will have no bearing on your trip, reports of repairs demonstrate the extraordinary effort the country is making to restore the infrastructure, and offer cause for optimism.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-ze...reopening.html
Nov. 2018 is more than a year from now, but here's a useful link once you're in NZ:
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/traffic-and...l-information/
Yes, you'd miss Arthur's Pass if you head north from Christchurch, but you still see a lot! Kaikoura's setting is beautiful: it faces a rugged shoreline and is backed by the Kaikoura mountain range (though I haven't been there since the earthquake).
Picton and Marlborough Sounds are also beautiful.
http://www.visitpicton.co.nz/
Curvy Queen Charlotte Drive linking Picton and Havelock is scenic as well:
https://www.newzealand.com/int/featu...arlotte-drive/
https://www.roughguides.com/destinat...arlotte-drive/
Havelock calls itself the "green-lipped mussel capital of the world"! It might be a good place for a late lunch.
You didn't enquire about wine tasting, but, should this interest you, there are plenty of wineries enroute from Christchurch to Nelson/Tasman region (via Kaikoura).
Air New Zealand might not be your most economical choice, but you may want to sign up for Air New Zealand's "low fare alerts" — just in case.
In response, I'd say Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout is the highlight of Lindis Pass. There's a platform you can walk up to for snapping photos. I think this is a photo from it:
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/93aa82d4f9...and-h6e6wg.jpg
More about Lindis Pass:
http://www.newzealandtravelinsider.c...indis-pass.htm
You asked, "If we decide to go with itinerary A, will definitely cut out Purakaunui Falls but is it possible to drive from Dunedin to Mt Cook via Oamaru and detouring to Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout without stoping for a night at Oamaru ?" Going from Dunedin to Mt. Cook is not too long of a drive (4 hours without stops), but adding a detour to Lindis Pass Summit Lookout, would make it too long and tiring, and you're perhaps forgetting, or underestimating, how many times you'll want to stop along the way (because if the weather is fine, there will be many places to stop). Overnighting in Oamaru will make this drive shorter. It would also allow you to make more scenic stops from Dunedin to Oamaru and from Oamaru to Mt. Cook. But it sounds like you are now leaning toward a drive along the north of the South Island instead, which I think would be a better choice for November.
You also wrote: "New Zealand SI has so many scenic drives that it is difficult to choose with our limited time." We all have this problem!
Like Melnq8, neither Crown Range Road or Lindis Pass are among my favorite drives though I think Lindis Pass looks brilliant in mid-autumn (April). Because I live here, I'm also overaware of the accidents on these roads, so this probably colors my perceptions.
Among my favorite South Island drives are SH6 as it passes Lakes Hawea and Wanaka (you'll be going through here), the road to Mt. Cook, the road to Glenorchy, Milford Road. I also dearly love the views from Otago Peninsula roads, and Dunedin's West Harbor, but these are best appreciated in fine weather, which is in shorter supply in November. One of my favorite views is from Mt. John Observatory over Lake Tekapo; its night skies can be wonderful, too (if the skies are clear).
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9243...-for-christmas
However, they've had to contend with lots of rain, causing slips, so I wouldn't be surprised if they fall behind this target date (my guess would be a few weeks to a few months). But by November 2018 the road should be open (barring any future unprecedented natural disasters that no one can predict).
Freight rail services were restored about a month ago, but heavy rain in the area causing slips shut these down again. While freight rail services will have no bearing on your trip, reports of repairs demonstrate the extraordinary effort the country is making to restore the infrastructure, and offer cause for optimism.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-ze...reopening.html
Nov. 2018 is more than a year from now, but here's a useful link once you're in NZ:
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/traffic-and...l-information/
Yes, you'd miss Arthur's Pass if you head north from Christchurch, but you still see a lot! Kaikoura's setting is beautiful: it faces a rugged shoreline and is backed by the Kaikoura mountain range (though I haven't been there since the earthquake).
Picton and Marlborough Sounds are also beautiful.
http://www.visitpicton.co.nz/
Curvy Queen Charlotte Drive linking Picton and Havelock is scenic as well:
https://www.newzealand.com/int/featu...arlotte-drive/
https://www.roughguides.com/destinat...arlotte-drive/
Havelock calls itself the "green-lipped mussel capital of the world"! It might be a good place for a late lunch.
You didn't enquire about wine tasting, but, should this interest you, there are plenty of wineries enroute from Christchurch to Nelson/Tasman region (via Kaikoura).
Air New Zealand might not be your most economical choice, but you may want to sign up for Air New Zealand's "low fare alerts" — just in case.
In response, I'd say Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout is the highlight of Lindis Pass. There's a platform you can walk up to for snapping photos. I think this is a photo from it:
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/93aa82d4f9...and-h6e6wg.jpg
More about Lindis Pass:
http://www.newzealandtravelinsider.c...indis-pass.htm
You asked, "If we decide to go with itinerary A, will definitely cut out Purakaunui Falls but is it possible to drive from Dunedin to Mt Cook via Oamaru and detouring to Lindis Pass Summit Scenic Lookout without stoping for a night at Oamaru ?" Going from Dunedin to Mt. Cook is not too long of a drive (4 hours without stops), but adding a detour to Lindis Pass Summit Lookout, would make it too long and tiring, and you're perhaps forgetting, or underestimating, how many times you'll want to stop along the way (because if the weather is fine, there will be many places to stop). Overnighting in Oamaru will make this drive shorter. It would also allow you to make more scenic stops from Dunedin to Oamaru and from Oamaru to Mt. Cook. But it sounds like you are now leaning toward a drive along the north of the South Island instead, which I think would be a better choice for November.
You also wrote: "New Zealand SI has so many scenic drives that it is difficult to choose with our limited time." We all have this problem!
Like Melnq8, neither Crown Range Road or Lindis Pass are among my favorite drives though I think Lindis Pass looks brilliant in mid-autumn (April). Because I live here, I'm also overaware of the accidents on these roads, so this probably colors my perceptions.
Among my favorite South Island drives are SH6 as it passes Lakes Hawea and Wanaka (you'll be going through here), the road to Mt. Cook, the road to Glenorchy, Milford Road. I also dearly love the views from Otago Peninsula roads, and Dunedin's West Harbor, but these are best appreciated in fine weather, which is in shorter supply in November. One of my favorite views is from Mt. John Observatory over Lake Tekapo; its night skies can be wonderful, too (if the skies are clear).
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Wow, thanks Melnq8 and Diamantina for your detailed input. I am seriously considering switching my intinerary to cover Koikoura-Picton-Nelson area instead of Dunedin.Will do more reading on this region in the coming weeks. Am I safe to assume that if S1 reopens, the driving time between Koikoura-Picton-Nelson is doable by breaking up the journey with 1 or 2 nights stay?
We had done a self drive starting from Auckland up to the Northland and south to Taupo years ago in winter and enjoyed it tremendously despite encountering some rainy days.We understand that weather could be unpredictable in spring and to expect some rainy days. Will doing the trip late Nov into early Dec help in getting better weather?
Coming from Malaysia, we have limited choice of airline that flies direct to Christchurch. Our national airline MAS only flies to Auckland and so do AirAsia. For convenience, we prefer direct to Christchurch and only Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand do. Air New Zealand does not fly to Malaysia, so will have to be from Singapore. That's why we find flight tickets to New Zealand for us Malaysian not competitive at all unlike the sector to Europe or North America. That's the reason for early planning for a good rate.
Will update once I have a revise itinerary for comments.Thanks again for the great input. Appreciate them.
We had done a self drive starting from Auckland up to the Northland and south to Taupo years ago in winter and enjoyed it tremendously despite encountering some rainy days.We understand that weather could be unpredictable in spring and to expect some rainy days. Will doing the trip late Nov into early Dec help in getting better weather?
Coming from Malaysia, we have limited choice of airline that flies direct to Christchurch. Our national airline MAS only flies to Auckland and so do AirAsia. For convenience, we prefer direct to Christchurch and only Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand do. Air New Zealand does not fly to Malaysia, so will have to be from Singapore. That's why we find flight tickets to New Zealand for us Malaysian not competitive at all unlike the sector to Europe or North America. That's the reason for early planning for a good rate.
Will update once I have a revise itinerary for comments.Thanks again for the great input. Appreciate them.
Oct 16th, 2017, 03:48 PM
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A pre-earthquake mileage chart shows the distance from Kaikoura to Picton as 156 km, taking approximately 2 hours, 15 minutes. Then from Picton to Nelson (via Queen Charlotte Drive to Havelock) 104 km, 2 hours 10 minutes (probably because some of the route is winding and you'll have to take your time). I would take these times as minimums.
If based in Nelson city, and you'd like to drive to Kaiteriteri to take a scenic cruise of Abel Tasman Park, the drive would take about a hour.
https://www.abeltasman.co.nz/a-day/a...cenic-cruises/
Mapua Wharf is a small pretty seaside village a little more than a half hour drive from Nelson. It's a nice spot for lunch or dinner.
http://www.mapuawharf.co.nz/about-mapua-wharf/
You can explore more on this site:
http://www.nelsonnz.com/
Maybe you'd prefer to stay outside of Nelson city in a more rural area, and as there are 4 of you, maybe you'd prefer a vacation rental instead of a motel or hotel. In addition to the usual booking sites and listings on Air BNB, you can check Holiday Houses NZ:
https://www.holidayhouses.co.nz/
and Book a Bach
https://www.bookabach.co.nz/
The top of the South Island has some of the sunniest weather in NZ. No guarantees, but the weather in this area at the end of November is likely to be much warmer and sunnier than that of the deep south. The South Island weather can vary greatly from one region to the other. Down in Dunedin, we get southerly winds blowing up from the direction of Antarctica! It can get very cold down here.
If you'll be coming in late November, down south you'll probably see the colorful Russell Lupins around Lake Tekapo. Native to western North America, it's an invasive weed that's both hated and loved (it's brilliantly beautiful and good fodder for the sheep but its spread can invade native habitat). This is what it looks like:
https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/war-of-the-lupins
If based in Nelson city, and you'd like to drive to Kaiteriteri to take a scenic cruise of Abel Tasman Park, the drive would take about a hour.
https://www.abeltasman.co.nz/a-day/a...cenic-cruises/
Mapua Wharf is a small pretty seaside village a little more than a half hour drive from Nelson. It's a nice spot for lunch or dinner.
http://www.mapuawharf.co.nz/about-mapua-wharf/
You can explore more on this site:
http://www.nelsonnz.com/
Maybe you'd prefer to stay outside of Nelson city in a more rural area, and as there are 4 of you, maybe you'd prefer a vacation rental instead of a motel or hotel. In addition to the usual booking sites and listings on Air BNB, you can check Holiday Houses NZ:
https://www.holidayhouses.co.nz/
and Book a Bach
https://www.bookabach.co.nz/
The top of the South Island has some of the sunniest weather in NZ. No guarantees, but the weather in this area at the end of November is likely to be much warmer and sunnier than that of the deep south. The South Island weather can vary greatly from one region to the other. Down in Dunedin, we get southerly winds blowing up from the direction of Antarctica! It can get very cold down here.
If you'll be coming in late November, down south you'll probably see the colorful Russell Lupins around Lake Tekapo. Native to western North America, it's an invasive weed that's both hated and loved (it's brilliantly beautiful and good fodder for the sheep but its spread can invade native habitat). This is what it looks like:
https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/war-of-the-lupins
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Thanks Diamantina for the info on driving time on the north. Certainly doable once the S1 reopens. Got a shock when I checked driving time using google map with alternative route. Was not even aware that Kaikoura had an earthquake late last year . Didn't do much reading on the northern area as I thought it was difficult to fit them in our itinerary with the time allocated. I am glad that you and melqn8 opened my eyes to the possibility. Thanks a lot.
Another thing that I forgot to ask is whether toilet amenities is easily available on all the drives? The reason being my mum in her 70's need more frequent toilet break than the rest of us.
We are very excited to see the Lupins flowers! They look absolutely gorgeous! Will certainly check out the accomodation sites that you have suggested when we are ready to book. We are definetly booking accomodation that allows us to do some basic cooking to cut down the cost. We found out during our trip to NI more than 10 years ago that essential goods like groceries , eating out in NZ generally more expensive than Australia, Europe and North America. Wonder why is that ?
Another thing that I forgot to ask is whether toilet amenities is easily available on all the drives? The reason being my mum in her 70's need more frequent toilet break than the rest of us.
We are very excited to see the Lupins flowers! They look absolutely gorgeous! Will certainly check out the accomodation sites that you have suggested when we are ready to book. We are definetly booking accomodation that allows us to do some basic cooking to cut down the cost. We found out during our trip to NI more than 10 years ago that essential goods like groceries , eating out in NZ generally more expensive than Australia, Europe and North America. Wonder why is that ?
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I've traveled widely, and I don't think I've ever traveled in a country with more or better free public toilets than NZ. So you shouldn't have a problem.
Many people have conditions that require quick and easy access to toilets. This link will help:
http://www.toiletmap.co.nz/
In addition, most district councils will post public toilett locations, such as Marlborough:
https://maps.marlborough.govt.nz/sma...c7c717306479ab
http://nelson.govt.nz/services/facil...blic-toilets-2
Or Canterbury:
http://opendata.canterburymaps.govt....900aa3916ee_12
As you can see, maintaining these public toilets comes at a great expense to Kiwis:
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...ourist-numbers
And, as tourism booms, national park rangers are spending more time cleaning toilets, and more costs are going toward toilet paper and wastes removal.
There are a few places where there'll be a fee for using the public toilet, such as by Lions Park near the Te Anau lakefront. But, unless things have recently changed, there are free toilets at the DOC visitor centre, a few minutes drive away:
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...isitor-centre/
From the visitor centre it's an easy, pleasant walk to the free Te Anau Bird sanctuary. It's a walk you should all be able to do (if you have time).
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...anctuary-walk/
Large supermarkets generally have public toilets. Of course, petrol stations.
The last time you were here was in winter, when produce prices rise. If you'll be coming in late November, you'll find greater variety and cheaper produce in the markets. Unless we get crazy weather. Heavy rain, for example, can destroy crops. Right now, newspapers are reporting of a potato shortage because of a wet growing season:
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...-potato-supply
Visit the Farmers Markets when possible as the produce is, not necessarily cheaper, but very fresh and locally produced. Most of these are on Saturdays and Sundays.
http://www.farmersmarkets.org.nz/mar...s/south-island
For instance, here in Dunedin at the Otago Farmers Market, one family vendor sells locally made tofu, fresh mung bean sprouts, and steaming baozi (包子).
You probably noticed on your first trip that supermarkets sell Asian foods, but you might find wider variety and cheaper prices at specialty Asian food groceries, for instance, if you'd like to buy larger quantities of rice or noodles. Just google "Christchurch Asian groceries" Pak 'N" Save is probably the cheapest supermarket chain overall. If you're shopping at Countdown supermarket, ask about a temporary One Card for added discounts.
Yes, some foods can be more expensive in NZ than in Malaysia (not apples or pears, but definitely mangos and papayas), the U.S., Australia and many parts of Europe. There are many reasons for this and I shouldn't get started on this topic! But you want to think about it some more, you can read this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11883061
Or watch this:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/...-consumer.html
Many people have conditions that require quick and easy access to toilets. This link will help:
http://www.toiletmap.co.nz/
In addition, most district councils will post public toilett locations, such as Marlborough:
https://maps.marlborough.govt.nz/sma...c7c717306479ab
http://nelson.govt.nz/services/facil...blic-toilets-2
Or Canterbury:
http://opendata.canterburymaps.govt....900aa3916ee_12
As you can see, maintaining these public toilets comes at a great expense to Kiwis:
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...ourist-numbers
And, as tourism booms, national park rangers are spending more time cleaning toilets, and more costs are going toward toilet paper and wastes removal.
There are a few places where there'll be a fee for using the public toilet, such as by Lions Park near the Te Anau lakefront. But, unless things have recently changed, there are free toilets at the DOC visitor centre, a few minutes drive away:
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...isitor-centre/
From the visitor centre it's an easy, pleasant walk to the free Te Anau Bird sanctuary. It's a walk you should all be able to do (if you have time).
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...anctuary-walk/
Large supermarkets generally have public toilets. Of course, petrol stations.
The last time you were here was in winter, when produce prices rise. If you'll be coming in late November, you'll find greater variety and cheaper produce in the markets. Unless we get crazy weather. Heavy rain, for example, can destroy crops. Right now, newspapers are reporting of a potato shortage because of a wet growing season:
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/...-potato-supply
Visit the Farmers Markets when possible as the produce is, not necessarily cheaper, but very fresh and locally produced. Most of these are on Saturdays and Sundays.
http://www.farmersmarkets.org.nz/mar...s/south-island
For instance, here in Dunedin at the Otago Farmers Market, one family vendor sells locally made tofu, fresh mung bean sprouts, and steaming baozi (包子).
You probably noticed on your first trip that supermarkets sell Asian foods, but you might find wider variety and cheaper prices at specialty Asian food groceries, for instance, if you'd like to buy larger quantities of rice or noodles. Just google "Christchurch Asian groceries" Pak 'N" Save is probably the cheapest supermarket chain overall. If you're shopping at Countdown supermarket, ask about a temporary One Card for added discounts.
Yes, some foods can be more expensive in NZ than in Malaysia (not apples or pears, but definitely mangos and papayas), the U.S., Australia and many parts of Europe. There are many reasons for this and I shouldn't get started on this topic! But you want to think about it some more, you can read this:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ectid=11883061
Or watch this:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/...-consumer.html
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If you drive Milford Road, this map will come in handy:
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/proj...to-milford.pdf
Note public toilets in wilderness areas/national parks or road stops can sometimes mean non-flushing pit latrine, also called "long-drop", type toilets. They can be smelly!
Make sure your mum uses the toilet in Te Anau if you drive to Milford Sound. If you take a coach tour, best to ask about onboard toilets before booking. Not sure about which coach tours have onboard toilets. Southern Discoveries does:
http://www.southerndiscoveries.co.nz...nd/coach-tours
https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/proj...to-milford.pdf
Note public toilets in wilderness areas/national parks or road stops can sometimes mean non-flushing pit latrine, also called "long-drop", type toilets. They can be smelly!
Make sure your mum uses the toilet in Te Anau if you drive to Milford Sound. If you take a coach tour, best to ask about onboard toilets before booking. Not sure about which coach tours have onboard toilets. Southern Discoveries does:
http://www.southerndiscoveries.co.nz...nd/coach-tours
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I also should have given you this other link for Milford Road so you can properly prepare:
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...s-for-drivers/
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...s-for-drivers/
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Thanks Diamante for imfo and the many links.I am embarrassed to say that being Malaysian, we are used to dirty, smelly public toilets.We have also experienced natural toilet that uses sawdust in one of our visits to Australia, so no issue there.
We will definitely drive to Milford Sound rather than using bus tour.We love the flexibility of being able to stop whenever we like with self driving and have been doing it on our own on all our trips to Europe with the exception of last year when we visited Vegas & Grand canyon from LA by bus tour due to time constraint.Needless to say, we didn't enjoy it at all!
We remembered during our trip to NI that NZ has fantastic picnic stops with amenities along most of the drives and my children enjoyed the experience tremendously.Being Malaysian, we don't have any opportunity for picnics as public amenities are poor and the weather is too hot for it. Plan to do that again this time with picnic lunches on all our drives. Unfortunately, this time , my grown children are not able to join us as they are studying in the US. There 's always a next time as we find that NZ is a fantastic destination for family holiday !
We will definitely drive to Milford Sound rather than using bus tour.We love the flexibility of being able to stop whenever we like with self driving and have been doing it on our own on all our trips to Europe with the exception of last year when we visited Vegas & Grand canyon from LA by bus tour due to time constraint.Needless to say, we didn't enjoy it at all!
We remembered during our trip to NI that NZ has fantastic picnic stops with amenities along most of the drives and my children enjoyed the experience tremendously.Being Malaysian, we don't have any opportunity for picnics as public amenities are poor and the weather is too hot for it. Plan to do that again this time with picnic lunches on all our drives. Unfortunately, this time , my grown children are not able to join us as they are studying in the US. There 's always a next time as we find that NZ is a fantastic destination for family holiday !
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You already got a lot of information from others so I won't add to that, but I will say that I love your idea of picnic lunches. That's exactly what we did on both of our trips to New Zealand. We would eat a good breakfast at the B&B, have a picnic lunch en route to or at the destination, and then eat out for dinner. The roadside stops along lakes, next to mountains, or in parks were some of our favorite memories.
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Hi Diamantina. After reading through yours and melnq8 recommendations, I have decided to ditch Dunadein and allocated the time to Kaikoura-Picton-Nelson as per your recommendation below :
1. Christchurch
2. Kaikoura
3. Nelson
4. Nelson
5. Punaikaiki
6. Franz Josef
7. Wanaka
8. Wanaka
9. Te Anau
10. Te Anau ( day trip to Milford Sound)
11. Queenstown
12. Queenstown
13. Queenstown
14. Mt Cook
15. Akaroa
16. Christchurch/depart Christchurch depending on departure time.
I have changed Franz Josef to 1 night instead of 2 and allocated the extra night to Wanaka instead. With our mobility issue, we have decided to only do 1 self guided walk to view the terminal of 1 glacier & Lake Matheson.
1. Which glacier terminal view walk is easier on the knee ?
2. Is staying 1 night sufficient to do the 1 walk and to visit Lake Matheson which I understand is better very early in the morning.
If not advisable, I can always switch back to 2 nights and allocate only 1 to Wanaka. We are just afraid that we might run out of things to do at Franz Josef/Fox as we understand they are very small villages.Weather permit of course.
Please comment. Thanks.
1. Christchurch
2. Kaikoura
3. Nelson
4. Nelson
5. Punaikaiki
6. Franz Josef
7. Wanaka
8. Wanaka
9. Te Anau
10. Te Anau ( day trip to Milford Sound)
11. Queenstown
12. Queenstown
13. Queenstown
14. Mt Cook
15. Akaroa
16. Christchurch/depart Christchurch depending on departure time.
I have changed Franz Josef to 1 night instead of 2 and allocated the extra night to Wanaka instead. With our mobility issue, we have decided to only do 1 self guided walk to view the terminal of 1 glacier & Lake Matheson.
1. Which glacier terminal view walk is easier on the knee ?
2. Is staying 1 night sufficient to do the 1 walk and to visit Lake Matheson which I understand is better very early in the morning.
If not advisable, I can always switch back to 2 nights and allocate only 1 to Wanaka. We are just afraid that we might run out of things to do at Franz Josef/Fox as we understand they are very small villages.Weather permit of course.
Please comment. Thanks.
Oct 23rd, 2017, 06:17 AM
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The walk to the terminal face of Fox takes about an hour return. The walk to Franz Josef terminal face takes about 90 minutes return.
Every time I take these walks they feel slightly different than the time before. The valley is constantly in flux due to ice collapse, flooding and landslides. Sometimes the track is adjusted and moved by the DOC for safety reasons and to accommodate the ongoing changes.
Even though its shorter, the last time I was there, I seem to remember Fox Glacier as being slightly more difficult than Franz.
As I recall, the track to Franz is entirely flat and quite easy.
Keep in mind that this area is full of walks, with varying degrees of difficulty. You will be spoiled for choice. The terminal face walks are not the only game in town.
Every time I take these walks they feel slightly different than the time before. The valley is constantly in flux due to ice collapse, flooding and landslides. Sometimes the track is adjusted and moved by the DOC for safety reasons and to accommodate the ongoing changes.
Even though its shorter, the last time I was there, I seem to remember Fox Glacier as being slightly more difficult than Franz.
As I recall, the track to Franz is entirely flat and quite easy.
Keep in mind that this area is full of walks, with varying degrees of difficulty. You will be spoiled for choice. The terminal face walks are not the only game in town.
Oct 23rd, 2017, 06:25 AM
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I always suggest two nights at the glaciers, as the drive days on either side of arrival are so long. Two nights only gives one full day to visit the place you've driven so far to see.
However, as you're arriving from Punakaiki, which is about a three hour drive, if you plan well, you may have time for a walk to the glacier on your arrival day, and a walk to Lake Matheson on the following day on your way to Wanaka, but don't dally too long as the drive to Wanaka is a very long one with lots of other reasons to stop.
I always suggest two nights at the glaciers, as the drive days on either side of arrival are so long. Two nights only gives one full day to visit the place you've driven so far to see.
However, as you're arriving from Punakaiki, which is about a three hour drive, if you plan well, you may have time for a walk to the glacier on your arrival day, and a walk to Lake Matheson on the following day on your way to Wanaka, but don't dally too long as the drive to Wanaka is a very long one with lots of other reasons to stop.
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Thanks Melnq8 for your input. We plan to set out very early for all our drives, latest by 8am since we are all early risers and there are no children involved.
Yea, I know that the drive from Franz to Wanaka is very interesting and will takes up a lot of time due to the number of attractions .That's why we are contemplating adding 1 extra night to Wanaka from the glaciers as 1 night at Wanaka leaves us little time to explore.
But that will leaves us with little time at the glaciers, worse if it happens to be a rainy day. Sigh....
Yea, I know that the drive from Franz to Wanaka is very interesting and will takes up a lot of time due to the number of attractions .That's why we are contemplating adding 1 extra night to Wanaka from the glaciers as 1 night at Wanaka leaves us little time to explore.
But that will leaves us with little time at the glaciers, worse if it happens to be a rainy day. Sigh....
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Meitan, your parents can easily walk to Peter's Pool in Franz Josef. It doesn't go to the terminal face but it has a good view and, as it's a short walk, they won't get too tired or overly stress their knees:
http://www.doc.govt.nz/peters-pool-walk
The Dept. of Conservation has a brochure on easy access walks.
http://travability.travel/New%20Zeal...uth-island.pdf
If you're worried about not having enough to do in Franz Josef, you can stop for a break in Hokitika. It's about a 3 hour drive without stops from Punakaiki to FJ, so it might be nice to get out and stretch about halfway through. FJ doesn't have any supermarkets, but Hokitika does, so at the very least, you can shop for groceries here (as you plan on cooking for yourselves). But it's best known for its jade shops. Local jade is carved into traditional designs.
http://www.hokitika.org/local-tips/105/Pounamu-(NZ-Jade)
Hokitika also has a not overly special but pretty beach (black sand and lots of driftwood), a kiwi attraction, and nearby Hokitika Gorge, which is worth seeing. Hokitika Gorge is not in Hokitika town itself but a half hour drive away, so visiting it would add at least an hour to your total drive, not including the walk itself. It's a short walk and part of it is wheelchair accessible, which means doable with bad knees.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...ka-gorge-walk/
Wherever you walk, please be careful of slippery surfaces (it can be wet in November) and loose small rocks underfoot. Not worried so much about you, but your parents, as bones become more brittle with age and thus more prone to fractures (I'm in my 60s so I think about such things). If anything should happen, be aware that NZ's ACC covers accidents for residents and visitors:
https://www.acc.co.nz/im-injured/inj...ent-after-navs
As you get closer to FJ, you can detour to Okarito Beach and lagoon (it's a little out of your way). The beach has lovely setting and is covered with interesting rocks. But like much of the West Coast it can be plagued with fierce sandflies.
If it's raining in FJ and you don't feel like walking in the rain, FJ has the West Coast Wildlife Centre (http://www.wildkiwi.co.nz/index/) and the Glacier Hot Pools (https://www.glacierhotpools.co.nz/).
Being so lush and green, I think FJ is attractive rain or shine.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/peters-pool-walk
The Dept. of Conservation has a brochure on easy access walks.
http://travability.travel/New%20Zeal...uth-island.pdf
If you're worried about not having enough to do in Franz Josef, you can stop for a break in Hokitika. It's about a 3 hour drive without stops from Punakaiki to FJ, so it might be nice to get out and stretch about halfway through. FJ doesn't have any supermarkets, but Hokitika does, so at the very least, you can shop for groceries here (as you plan on cooking for yourselves). But it's best known for its jade shops. Local jade is carved into traditional designs.
http://www.hokitika.org/local-tips/105/Pounamu-(NZ-Jade)
Hokitika also has a not overly special but pretty beach (black sand and lots of driftwood), a kiwi attraction, and nearby Hokitika Gorge, which is worth seeing. Hokitika Gorge is not in Hokitika town itself but a half hour drive away, so visiting it would add at least an hour to your total drive, not including the walk itself. It's a short walk and part of it is wheelchair accessible, which means doable with bad knees.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/parks-and-rec...ka-gorge-walk/
Wherever you walk, please be careful of slippery surfaces (it can be wet in November) and loose small rocks underfoot. Not worried so much about you, but your parents, as bones become more brittle with age and thus more prone to fractures (I'm in my 60s so I think about such things). If anything should happen, be aware that NZ's ACC covers accidents for residents and visitors:
https://www.acc.co.nz/im-injured/inj...ent-after-navs
As you get closer to FJ, you can detour to Okarito Beach and lagoon (it's a little out of your way). The beach has lovely setting and is covered with interesting rocks. But like much of the West Coast it can be plagued with fierce sandflies.
If it's raining in FJ and you don't feel like walking in the rain, FJ has the West Coast Wildlife Centre (http://www.wildkiwi.co.nz/index/) and the Glacier Hot Pools (https://www.glacierhotpools.co.nz/).
Being so lush and green, I think FJ is attractive rain or shine.
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Diamantina, thanks for your great imfo. I can't believe that NZ national insurance covers even tourists injured due to accidents ! It must be the only country to do so. Great to know !
No worries,as we always buy travel insurance. My mum fell and fractured her wrist on a trip to Turkey a few years ago that required surgery there. Luckily she had travel insurance or else we would be in big trouble!
We have decided to stick to 2 nights at the glaciers and 1 night at Wanaka. Stopping at Hokitika and Hokitika Gorge for a break and groceries is a good idea. Thanks.
No worries,as we always buy travel insurance. My mum fell and fractured her wrist on a trip to Turkey a few years ago that required surgery there. Luckily she had travel insurance or else we would be in big trouble!
We have decided to stick to 2 nights at the glaciers and 1 night at Wanaka. Stopping at Hokitika and Hokitika Gorge for a break and groceries is a good idea. Thanks.
