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Old Oct 31st, 2013, 11:01 PM
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New Zealand and Australia - 43 day trip

My husband (age 60) and I (age 55) are headed out for 45 days - I am excited but totally daunted by the planning process. Daunted I should say stumped. No idea really where to start. We are more interested in unusual and and beautiful scenery rather than large cities.
We really don't want to move daily and would rather explore an area from a base and move every 3? days.
- We arrive THIS Dec. 6 in Auckland - spend 2 days
- Then Drive to Hahei / Cathedral Cove / Hot Water Beach
- Rotorua and Wai-O-Tapu
- Drive to Wellington (or should we fly from Rotorua (if possible directly to Picton?)
- Take ferry to Picton
- Nelson
- 2 or 3 day sailling trip in Abel Tasman Park
- Kaikoura (or skip this?)
- Oamaru
- Te Anau
- Milford Sound
- Dec. 24 / 25 Queenston
Dec. 36 Mount Cook / Lake Tekapo
Dec. 27 - Drive to Christchurch for flight to Melbourne
Take our time on the Great Ocean Road?
Appollo Bay, Twelve Apostles (Dec. 31??) Port Fairy
Robe / Adelaide (but thinking of skipping these 2 entirely).
Considering going to Uluru but unsure whether all large group tours (which we hate) or if we are just putting too much into this trip.
Fly to Cairns / Port Douglas - how long should we stay in this area?
Fly to Sydney - 3 full days?
Home...
Whew tiring typing this but we are there a total of 43 days.
All suggestions welcome! I really am at a loss.
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Old Nov 1st, 2013, 01:31 AM
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Two countries. Two islands. Five states within a country the size of the US. Forty-three days.

You need to trim your wish list. Considerably.
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As Melnq8 says, a lot of ground to cover. At least you have 40+ days - a lot of people try to cover something similar in 10 days, which is just impossible.....

I can't speak to NZ but you have about 21 days in Oz. Splitting that time between Melbourne, Far North Queensland (Cairns/Port Douglas) and Sydney should give you time to enjoy each place, without feeling like you need a vacation at the end of it. How many more places you throw into the mix is up to you but there's a limit. Uluru can be expensive (both in terms of airfares and accommodation) and will be very hot in January. Adelaide is a nice place but not one that I would include as a 'must see'. The notable exclusion from your list would be Tasmania.

Sydney has the glitz and the glamour but Melbourne has everything else - it's the coffee / dining / shopping / cultural / sporting capital of Australia (ok, I'm biased...) but it really is one of the word's great cities. You can easily spend a couple of days plus exploring the city, a couple of days down the Great Ocean Road and then loop back to Melbourne via Ballarat and Daylesford (the spa capital of Victoria). Spend a day visiting the wineries in the Yarra Valley or down the Mornington Pensinsula - that's a week taken care of. If tennis is of any interest to you, the Australian Open is January 13 - 26.

Plenty to see and do in Sydney - climb the Bridge, take a ferry to Manly, go to Bondi and walk along the cliffs, visit Taronga Zoo, explore Circular Quay and the Rocks, have a drink (with a great view) at the Opera Bar, take a day trip to the Blue Mountains.

FNQ is worth perhaps 4 - 5 days, depending on your interests. A day to go out on the reef, a visit to Kuranda (take the train up and the Skyrail back), a day lounging on the beach or by the pool, a day to visit Mossman Gorge (and/or Port Douglas if you're not staying there), a day on the Atherton Tablelands and your 4 or 5 days is gone. Don't stay in Cairns (unless you like backpackers, pubs, clubs and McDonalds) - stay in Palm Cove (25 minutes up the road) or Port Douglas (an hour). Bear in mind that summer is the Wet season in a tropical climate like FNQ.

You can easily spend 3 weeks in these 3 places. If you want to add more, then Tasmania would be the most obvious addition.

http://www.visitmelbourne.com
http://www.visitvictoria.com/regions.../Ballarat.aspx
http://www.visitvictoria.com/Regions...Macedon-Ranges

http://www.palmcoveaustralia.com
http://www.palmcove.com/palm-cove-weather.html
http://www.kuranda.org
http://www.mossmangorge.com.au
http://www.athertontablelands.com.au
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Thanks for the imput ! I have heard Tasmania is a lot like New Zealand which is why I wasnt thinking of it - am I misinformed? Love the idea of 3 places only in Australia and will definitely stay away from Cairns! Re Great Ocean Road - should I leave Melbourne and spend a night in various places along the road? Ideally I wouldnt really want to drive more than 2 to 3 hours in a day - rather have time doing something (or doing nothing...but enjoying
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We'd heard the same about TAS, that's it's a lot like NZ.

It's really not.

I think people make that comparison because both NZ and TAS are agricultural, both have a forestry industry, both are islands, and both tend to move at a slower pace than many other destinations. The lifestyle might be similar but everything else is different...the flora, the fauna, the wilderness areas, the produce, the people, the weather.

They do both have plenty of narrow, squiggly roads though.
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As you drive from Rotorua to Wai-O-Tapu, just a bit further on the same route is lovely Taupo - look it up. The sunsets by the lakefront are stupendous!

Then drive to Napier - read up on it, uniquely rebuilt after a fire in a uniform art-deco style, with nice wineries around there, and do drive up on the Bluff for good views.

Then on to Wellingon where you shouldn’t miss the Te Papa!

Many rental companies won’t let you take the car onto the ferry, so be sure to check. Plenty of rentals available in Picton of course if that’s what you need to do.

“Take our time on the Great Ocean Road?” Yes, an overnight near the Otway lighthouse or in Apollo Bay will be nice - look them up. But book soon!

If you don’t reserve a few days to spend there, then don’t go to Adelaide, it’s a long drive in the heat. Turn around and take the quicker inland route back to Melbourne before you get to Warrnambool.

Better to add a few days to Sydney - there is so much to do there and near there!

You can just fly into Uluru for a quick (and expensive...) look, but of course it will be crowded, as will everything else since it will be the height of the festive and vacation time for Aussies and visitors alike.

Are you sure you want to go to Cairns? If it’s just because of the Great Barrier Reef, you can access that from other spots, too - see www.greatbarrierreef.org.

Now if you really want to do what you said and stay away from big cities, then consider driving up the coast from Melbourne and staying in small towns, chancing on finding lodgings.

Or fly over to Hobart, see Port Arthur and then get lost in the wilderness of the drive to Queenstown and Strahan and Zeehan and the Cradle Mountain walks and hikes.

Happy planning!
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Old Nov 2nd, 2013, 04:34 AM
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For the Great Ocean Road, the first part of the road is the stretch from south of Torquay, down through Lorne and on to Apollo Bay. On this stretch, the Road more or less hugs the coast. From Melbourne to Apollo Bay is about 190 kms / 2.5-3 hours, with about half of that being the Road (and the other half being the run down from Melbourne and around Geelong). Because of the time of year, there will probably be a lot of traffic and you'll probably want to stop several times, so plan on it taking most of the day and perhaps stay in Apollo Bay.

After Apollo Bay, the Road goes inland, through the Otway National Park before rejoining the coast before Port Campbell and the Twelve Apostles. Eventually, the road will bring you to Warrnambool (if you go that far). Apollo Bay to Warrnambool is about 170 kms / 3 hours. Given the level of traffic and the number of stops you'll want to make along the way (the Twelve Apostles, Loch Ard Gorge, London Bridge (whoops, make that London Arch, the middle bit fell down...), plan on it taking all day (particularly if you want to detour to the Otway Lighthouse).

The above would take two days. You could head straight back to Melbourne on the direct 'main' road, but it would make for somewhat of a long second day. As an alternative, stay somewhere at the end of the Road (perhaps Warrnambool) and then the following day head up to Ballarat, an old gold mining town and one of country Victoria's main towns. From there, head to Daylesford, and stay the night there, before heading back to Melbourne the following day (about a two hour drive).

Take the B120/B140 from Warnambool and then head north to get to Ballarat (about 175 kms, 2.5 hours). Ballarat is an old gold mining town - visit Sovereign Hill, have a walk around town and have lunch and then head to Daylesford (about 45 kms, less than an hour). Daylesford (and Hepburn Springs) is the "spa capital" of Victoria - a nice country place, some excellent restaurants (try the Farmers Arms, Perfect Drop or Mercato) and have a spa and relax, if you feel so inclined. If you go to Daylesford, visit the Convent, an old convent (!) that eventually became derelict but has been restored as an art gallery, wedding venue etc. (marriages in the old chapel). Well worth a visit and there's a restaurant for breakfast/coffee/lunch etc.

http://visitballarat.com.au/things-t...eign-hill.aspx
http://visitdaylesford.com.au
http://www.visitmelbourne.com/Region...on-Ranges.aspx
http://www.conventgallery.com.au

A couple of Daylesford videos. The video campaign used to be captioned "Daylesford. Lead a Double Life". The videos were somewhat quirky, though interesting, but apparently stirred a certain amount of controversy so are no longer used - here's an example -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdmDGVoxjIE

This is a more general one -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-_1lW-QBHo

A lot of the "lake" shots in these videos of Daylesford are of/from The Lake House - a very nice place to stay (no personal experience except walking past it/round it/through it) though eye-wateringly expensive.
http://www.lakehouse.com.au

On the way back to Melbourne, maybe have a Picnic at Hanging Rock....
http://www.visitmelbourne.com/Region...ging-Rock.aspx
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For some recent comments on Melbourne itself, see this thread -
http://www.fodors.com/community/aust...e-296086-2.cfm

You can easily spend a couple of days or more exploring Melbourne itself. Sydney grabs you - the Harbour, the Bridge, the Opera House. Melbourne is rather more subtle but it truly is a great city and well worth taking the time to explore.

A couple of days exploring Melbourne, a day trip to the wineries in the Yarra Valley (an easy hour or so drive from town) and a three day trip to the GOR and Ballarat and Daylesford and you can have a very nice week .....

Coffee. Melbourne is the coffee capital of Australia and coffee is a subject that is taken very seriously. It's pretty hard to get a bad cup of coffee. After footy (Australian Rules football) it's the No. 2 religion here. Although, for some bizarre reason, there are some Starbucks here, no self-respecting Melburnian would be caught dead in one. Please don't let us down.
http://www.visitvictoria.com/Regions...es/Coffee.aspx
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Hi Lester,

i preface this by saying that we haven't yet visited either Australia or NZ. so it may turn out that I am talking rubbish! However, we are about to set off this sunday, and though i've tinkered about with it a bit, our basic itinerary was settled about 2 -3 months ago.

we have from Nov 15 to Dec 19 in Australia and NZ, that's 33 nights, split more or less equally between the two. we start off with 6 nights in Portdouglas [ we know that it's going to be hot, but we wanted to put it as early in the trip as possible as the closer to christmas it gets, the hotter and busier North Queensland is likely to get] then 5 nights in Brisbane. After that we fly to Auckland and have 4 nights on the NI [ 1 night in Thames, 2 in Napier because we particularly want to see the gannets and do a wine tour, and 1 in Wellington] after which we get the ferry to Picton and tour the SI in roughly a southerly direction. if you click on my screen name you can see my thread about planning our NZ itinerary.

we have booked accommodation using a combination of B&Bs and motels; we used various websites but TA and booking.com are good places to start. if you are traveling over the christmas holidays, i would suggest booking accommodation asap - it seems to get booked up pretty early at that time of year. in big places you may be able to get in, but in the smaller ones the choice could be pretty limited.

you have longer than us, but it's still not long enough to be able to do everything. if you are interested in wildlife you might want to visit Stewart Island; OTOH if you like wine, a few days in the Marlborough area could be a good idea. however, you are unlikely to be able to have enough time to do both.

happy planning!
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Thanks for your replies. Took all into consideration and significantly trimmed the list. To simplify posting and help others with their planning I have just posted new topic with Australia 18 days as heading - best to keep both countries separate! Trying to figure out great ocean road and Melbourne. With New Year's Eve in the middle to throw a challenge into the loop arrive Melbourne 27 and leave for port Douglas jan 4 Going to take another look tt7 route re ocean road and maybe not go as far as port fairy also annhig let me know your thoughts activities re port Douglas I'd you are able.
Thanks to all for their help!!!!!
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hi lester,

we're in Port [as the locals apparently call it] at the moment and love it. loads to do and we already wish that we had longer here than the 5 nights our itinerary gives us. more restaurants than you can shake a stick at and our accommodation [By the Sea on Macrossan street which is the town's main drag, though thankfully we are at the quieter beach end of it] has come up trumps.

DH is doing out on a dive boat to the GBR tomorrow while I get to browse to my heart's content at the weekly [sunday] market. we're also looking at doing a trip on a smaller catamaran out to the Lowe islands, and going up to the Daintree rainforest area for a day. but most of all we're enjoying sitting on the wonderful beach and having the odd swim in the lovely warm water! [29C, as compared with 17-18C which is the best we can hope for at home in Cornwall!]
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I loved cornwall! Was there last June and had blue skies for 10 days!!! What area of port would you recommend ?
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Lester - we started off booking somewhere on the road into Port where there are a number of "resort" type m/hotels, mainly aimed I think at families. on mature reflection we decided that it would be better to be up in town where we could walk to shops and restaurants rather than drive, and so far that has worked out very well for us.

as I said above, we are staying at "By the Sea' [sorry I'm not up on copying e-mail addresses on the i-pad but I'm sure that google will find it]. it's at the beach end of Macrossan Street, along with 10 or so similar establishments. the sea is about 200 yards away in one direction and the shops and restaurants start about 100 yards away in the opposite direction. if you book up for a trip to the Reef or the rain forest they pick you up from your accommodation so being at this end of town is no problem.

I'm glad that you enjoyed Cornwall and had such good weather.
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