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Old Jun 6th, 2008, 08:30 AM
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Trip to India in December Booked!

Finally booked the international and domestic air, all hotels lined up. Was getting worried Continental might raise the fares significantly with all that's going on. Here's the itinerary, thanks for everyone's help!

Fly into Delhi from San Antonio via Newark on Continental-arrive at night
3 nights in Delhi at Amarya Gardens
Kingfisher flight to Varanasi in morning, 3 nights at Ganges View
Overnight train to Agra, 2 nights at GardenVilla Homestay-day trip to Fatepuhr Sikri
Train to Jaipur- 3 nights at Dera Rawatsar in Royal Suite
Train to Sawai Madhopur- 2 nights in tent at Khem Villas
Overnight train to Bhopal- 2nights at colleague's friends home- Hopfully get to Sanchi and Bhimbetka
Jet flight to Mumbai- one night in club room at Taj Palace
Midnight flight back home
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Yeah!!! sounds like a great trip - looking forward to the report, lol.
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Hello,
Sorry, eyeski bt i think your trip is not planned becauz you are taking 1 or 2 nights xtra in Delhi, Varanasi, Agra, Jaipur and Bhopal.
I suggest to plan properly because you can visit more places in your traveling days.
Thanks
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Travellindia:

Somehow I get the feeling that you've neither travelled, NOR been to India.

Is it school holidays?
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Dogster,
For your information m from India, I believe that I know better than you. First, overt your sentence that you wrote.
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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 01:15 AM
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Well, I stand corrected.
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eyeski, I agree, sounds like a wonderful trip. Your itinerary is very well-paced and December is a wonderful time of the year to be in India weather wise.
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Sorry eyeski,
M again saying just have a look at your itinerary. You are doing your trip by train. I know the condition of Indian Railways. Most of the times they get delayed. Are you ready to wait at the station for train. I would like to suggest to hire car from Agra to Sawai Madhopur. By doing this you will be visit other cities also. Rest of things depends on you.
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Definitely take the train! Great way to meet Indians, especially in AC2. Take a look at www.seat61.com/India.htm if you haven't already for lots of info on Indian trains. Ignore TravelIndia, who has only posted on two threads and may turn out to be a travel agent.
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Sorry today is Saturday not thursday and m not denying to be a travel agent bt m not promoting myself. I am saying good things in the interest of eyeski. I not prohibiting him to take the train. I know Indian railways are different from railways of other country and every foreign tourist should take the ride of it. Its having a different experience. I totally agree. In my earlier post I pointed to take the train from Varanasi to Agra and Sawai Madhopur to Bhopal. If eyeski will hire a car than he can save 1 Night in Agra, 1 Night in Jaipur by that he can also visit Pushkar or Jodhpur.
Your views Friday sorry Thursday
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Well, I must apologise for my previous post TravelIndia - I didn't realize we were in the presence of an expert...

I agree with you - eyeski's 7 locations in 16 days just doesn't seem like enough, does it? It's not as if there's much to DO in any of these places - a couple of hours each would be more than enough. It occurs to me that if she actually slept IN the car, you could fit in.. oh, maybe another five or six more cities.

Shame on you thursdaysd. I, for one, would have no hesitation in relying entirely on TravelIndia's generous advice. He's shown a great understanding of just what we stupid foreigners want when we travel. Quantity over quality, every time. Matter of fact, I think I'll book a trip with him right now...

Would this be your company -www.travelindia.com ?
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this time i apologise dogster. M not an expert its you not me. I think you have traveled a lot of time in India. Its good that you know much about India even more than an Indian. I really appreciate. On depending upon your acquaintance, can you make things clear to me,
1) Please tell me places of Interest in Varanasi as one can spend his 3 Nights and 4 days in Varanasi as no trains available for Agra in the morning?
2) Please tell me places of Interest in Agra as one can spend his 2 Nights and 3 days in Agra as no trains available for Jaipur in the morning?
3) Please tell me places of Interest in Jaipur as one can spend his 3 Nights and 4 days in Jaipur as no trains available for Sawai MAdhopur in the morning?

From my opinion in Varanasi. There is nothing to spend 3 Nights. Max. 2 nights are more than enough.
In Agra, train Arrive early in the morning and you have lot of time to spend in Agra in the limit of 1 day.
In Jaipur also, 2 nights are enough to stay.

Below is my suggested Itinerary:
Day 1: Arrive Delhi
Day 2: Sightseeing Delhi
Day 3: Fly to Varanasi
Day 4: Sightseeing Varanasi
Day 5: Overnight Train to Agra
Day 6: Early morning arrival at Agra
Day 7: Drive to Jaipur enroute visit fatehpur sikri
Day 8: Jaipur
Day 9: Drive to Udaipur
Day 10: Udaipur
Day 11: Drive to Pushkar
Day 12: Pushkar sightseeing and drive to Ranthambhore
Day 13: Ranthambhore
Day 14: Overnight train to Bhopal
Day 15: Bhopal
Day 16: Fly to Mumbai

If one hire a car he can stop it at his place of interest but you can,t stop the train. This itinerary is of perfect quality not quantity.
Dogster, comments please as you are the expert here.











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Old Jun 7th, 2008, 10:20 AM
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Noteome of the responses below have high degree of sarcasm

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Date: 06/07/2008, 07:13 am
Sorry eyeski,
M again saying just have a look at your itinerary. You are doing your trip by train. I know the condition of Indian Railways. Most of the times they get delayed. Are you ready to wait at the station for train. I would like to suggest to hire car from Agra to Sawai Madhopur. By doing this you will be visit other cities also. Rest of things depends on you."

I have carefully picked trains that either originate from the city I'm in, or only have a few stops before. For overnight trains that arrive early morning, who cares if they're a few hours late. The train from Jaipur to Sawai Madhopur is only two hours. I'm sure if we have to wait at a station, it will be so boring! I wouldn't want to expose myself to any non-Westerners that might be hanging around the station.


"Nothing to do in Varanasi for 4 days-"
I was thinking I could just sleep all day. Seriously, I can't imagine just wandering around without a tour guide, I wouldn't want to slow down and get a sense of what Varanasi's about. No sense in leaving the comfort of my hotel, or driving out to Sarnath. Maybe I should just spend the day and take the train out that night.

"2) Please tell me places of Interest in Agra as one can spend his 2 Nights and 3 days in Agra as no trains available for Jaipur in the morning?"

Maybe I shouldn't go to see Taj Mahal in early morning and late light, spend a half day in Fatehpur Sikri, or check out Agra Fort, Akbar's Mausoleum, "Baby" Taj, Jama Masjid or wander around Kinari Bazaar. I'd rather hang around where most of the touts are, that must be the best place. Maybe I should just spend 1/2 day, run through Taj as fast as I can and get out of town.

"3) Please tell me places of Interest in Jaipur as one can spend his 3 Nights and 4 days in Jaipur as no trains available for Sawai MAdhopur in the morning?"

ok, instead of walking around the old city, I could just arrange a drive by. I could also skip Amber Fort, since I've already seen a fort. Since I arrive at night and leave for Sawai Madhopur late morning I really have two full days in Jaipur. That's still one too many I guess. If I cut one night out there, I could keep my momentum going.

"From my opinion in Varanasi. There is nothing to spend 3 Nights. Max. 2 nights are more than enough.
In Agra, train Arrive early in the morning and you have lot of time to spend in Agra in the limit of 1 day.
In Jaipur also, 2 nights are enough to stay."

ok, if I follow you're advice we could see so much more and not get bored! I have 18 nights. If we do two overnight trains, that leaves 16. We could really see at least 12 different places and get so much more bang for the buck! Only seeing 7 places would be a waste of a trip!
Since Bhopal dosn't have much for a tourist to see, and staying at a local's home might be a waste of time, we could cut that part out too!

Thanks for your input, this itinerary might actually allow me to slow down and get a sense of India, that would be a waste of time! I just wish I had your input before I spent months putting this itinerary together!
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Well, this is what you fail so comprehensively to understand: travel in India isn't just a collection of sites to see, take a photo and move on, it isn't just a list of temples in the Lonely Planet Guide book - it's a whole great swirling country of a million moments in time, a thousand interactions, accidental dramas; the sheer pace and wonder of the streets.

As an Indian national, all this is second nature to you - you don't SEE it.

As a traveller to your country this is ALL we see. I've just returned from 8 days in Varanasi, for example, and wasn't bored for a moment. Every day I was swept up in the daily lives and devotions of thousands of people, their weddings, their funerals, the relentless humdrum of their fight to survive. I sit, I watch, I learn. I don't judge. That takes time. Not a controlled run thru with a schedule, ticking off the sights - but sitting in a gutter with a chai in my hand.

I never did get in a boat to glide along and watch it - I spent my time IN it. Watching the bathing, the swimming lessons, the laughter. Getting lost in the alleyways, wandering amongst the ceremonies, finding the aarti's spread along the ghats, from the single learning priest down by the burning ghat to the 6 teenage lads and their chorus of out of tune adolescents, along to the main ceremony, with ring-side seats for tourists who mistakenly think that the ceremony is the show - no - the real show is the mass of devotion that surrounds it. Then to the next ghat, to the next ceremony, then further along to the next and the next. Watch the priests before the show, watch the preparations, turn your back and watch the people watching.

Meet the boat men, the masseurs, the little girls who want to sell you their floating lamps - everything is business. Treat them with respect and, after a day or so, they'll stop the hassle and give you a smile. Sit down and ask them how their business is going.. go to your rickshaw man's place for lunch and learn more in an hour about life on the ghats than you really need to know.

Find a decent ayurvedic massage place - have a shave in a scummy barber shop - all these 'ordinary' things you don't see are really what you should be allowing your customers time to experience. The nightly concerts by the main ghat, the politics, the speeches, ahhh the singing..

And all that is before you've even seen a single one of the 'sights' - all of which demand more than one viewing. The burning ghats brought me back time and time again. Never the same twice. You'd have your customers race thru in 15 minutes, before you hurled them back on the bus and off to the Radisson for a buffet dinner.

I didn't even touch the sides of Varanasi in 8 days. There's a ton more left to see. Don't assume the people in this forum are package tourists content to be shoved around,lectured to and pushed into shops where you get a commission. Don't assume that your idea of what a trip to India SHOULD be in any way corresponds with what a trip to India COULD be.

So yes, I AM an expert - an expert in what being a foreigner in a strange culture is like. You demean your culture, in my opinion, by treating it as a collection of monuments and temples, [dis]connected by long, long drives - feeding what you imagine to be our expectations and ignoring the many layers of your extraordinary land.

Everything is interesting. You've stumbled in on a forum full of interested people. Some are more gung-ho than others, some need the security of a guide and an itinerary but, I promise you, NONE of us want the kind of whistle-stop glimpse of a imaginery India that travel agents provide.

You think you're selling dreams - you're in fact selling your rich and extraordinary culture short.
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Well eyeski - we were both on the same topic at the same time. You snuck in just before me. My comments, as I assume you worked out, were for our Indian expert - not you.

Who would have thought your innocent post would have provided us all with such amusement.
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Glad we're on the same page, Dogster. While many tourists want to just sign up for an itinerary and go along for the ride, I find the planning and travelling is another interesting part of the whole journey.
To me it was a real challenge coming up with an interesting itinerary, then having to figure out the Indian train and air system so I could see if it could be done. I changed the itinerary half a dozen times as I found out availability of trains on certain days, how to figure out where the train originated from to avoid those that had been on the road for a day already, etc. Then exchanging emails to set up hotels, got more advice from some of the hoteliers and forum junkies and kept reworking the itinerary, eventually figuring out that I was returning home to work one day before a long Christmas weekend, thus opening up a few more days for the trip.
I read through Lonely Planet and Rough Guide to see what each area had to offer and then tried to put something together that avoided backtracking or long car rides.
I have also found some contacts for car/driver while in Delhi, Agra and Jaipur
I feel like I'm already starting to plan my next trip, there are so many intriguing places to see!
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Well, I go off to a seminar for the day, and come back to find this thread has really grown. Wonderful post, dogster! I'm so envious that you had eight days in Varanasi - maybe next trip. And I'm still Thursday's Daughter, as in Thursday's child has far to go, even though I had noticed that today is Saturday.
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What a great thread!

Hey, dogster, how about a trip report? Or perhaps just a great collection of stories? I'm dying to hear about the great dane dragging you into the Ganges. And any experiences you'd like to relate from Kathmandu would be a nice amuse bouche for our upcoming trip.
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Hi Kathie: well, I'm building up to it [kinda] - it was such an epic and extraordinary adventure - 3 months this time - that it's hard to know where to begin. At the beginning, I suppose...

You know I have to be coaxed - and then.. blat! It all comes out. But, as even our ferocious Indian travel agent acknowledges [sarcastically] I AM an expert.

An expert in getting lost, in stumbling gob-smacked from one bizarre scene to another, in stupid decisions and last-minute solutions, in alley-way transactions that would curl your hair, in hasslers and hustlers, beggars and thieves.

BUT, in the midst of all that self-created chaos, some truth emerges. I'll try and capture a bit of it. Stay tuned..
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I don know y some people here thinking that m deceiving eyeski. M I promoting my company? Ans: NO
I said all the things in interest of Eyeski. Dogster travelindia.com is not my company. Got it. Any one can clarify that I posted yesterday. If i m saying wrong things.
Dogster said that he stayed 8 Nights in Varanasi and that was not enough. If you will think by dogster mind than you would have to spend 1 month at every destinations. Dogster is doing gabbling and nothing.
Actually, these all things depends on the nature of a traveller that what kind of traveller he is? If he is a taveler that wants only to 1 or 2 hour in a monument and take some photos also and not interested to explore the lifestyle of Indian people. Then my above itinerary is for him.
2) If a traveler is like a dogster who wants to spend 8 nights or above in 1 city then you should go with dogster and add some more nights in Itinerary.

SORRY ,,,, I QUIT
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