I’ve been sitting at my computer trying to kick off this trip report and am confounded by a case of writer’s block. As the details are leaving my mind as the days pass, I’m going to try to throw some information down on paper just to get this moving.
First, I’ll offer my apologies. The standard of writing is quite high on this board and I’ve been endlessly entertained over the past several months by this board’s writers. All of your information was quite helpful to me in trying to plan. My writing is definitely dry, closer to bland and I can carry on a bit. Feel free to skim or skip.
About us, we are two female friends in our early to mid (closer to mid, but why quibble?) 40s. We’ve travelled together yearly for the past 4 or 5 years. This was the longest trip that we’ve taken together. I can’t claim to be a great traveling companion – I used to travel alone and like a lot of things about it; but I also like being able to share a meal, a great sight or discuss a bargain in a market. We both have families (and kids) at home, so we end up spending a lot of time on vacation trying to find a phone, an internet connection or a gift to bring home.
The planning for this trip started in late 2008. Choosing destinations isn’t hard; it’s narrowing it down to THE destination that’s the challenge. I had started this trip planning to go it alone, but once I had settled on Siem Reap and Vietnam, TC (my travel companion) decided that it sounded too good to miss. TC was anxious to include Bangkok, even if it would just be for a day or two. So, after spending a good amount of time on the phone with the friendly AA miles awards folks, I was the proud owner of a business class ticket LAX/NRT/BKK, with a return SGN/NRT/LAX. I booked the ticket about 10 ½ months out, and had a little difficulty getting the exact dates I wanted, but I could get dates within a day or three. TC had miles, but decided to save them up and bought an economy ticket on the same flights.
We (really just me, TC is a big planner (i.e., control freak) but tries to let it all go when I’m planning (but still has lots of “input”)) played with a lot of ideas, including the Pandaw cruise from Saigon to Siem Reap. But, there were a whole lot more options for travelling from Siem Reap to Saigon on the river than the other way. So after tossing around a lot of ideas, we ended up with:
Day 1 Travel Day
Day 2 & 3 Bangkok
Day 4-6 Siem Reap
Day 7 & 8 Phnom Penh
Day 9 Saigon
Day 10 & 11 Mekong Delta
Day 12 & 13 Saigon
Day 14 Narita (8 Hour Layover)
There was some give and take in the schedule. I had wanted more days in Siem Reap, TC thought she’d be templed out after 2 days. We both knew we had too much time in Saigon, but TC was wanting to get some tailoring done somewhere on the trip so we tried to swing the itinerary to have extra time for appointments.
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Looking forward to hearing your report.
Good start. Keep it coming...
Thanks dgungub and Craig! It helps to know that someone is looking!
Hotel and Flight Booking Details:
Bangkok - the Peninsula. Booked on gtahotels.com for $186 –$220 with taxes and service charges and including breakfast.
BKK to REP was on Bangkok Air, booked on Expedia for $235 each.
Siem Reap - the Hotel Be Angkor, booked via e-mail (hotelbeangkor.com)
Phnom Penh – The Pavilion, booked via e-mail (thepavilion.asia)
PNH to SGN on Vietnam Airlines booked with Vietnamstay.com. $135, but there’s a story here.
Ho Chi Minh City – The Caravelle booked via e-mail (Caravellehotel.com) $169 ex tax/service/breakfast per night. $338 ex tax/service for two night weekend package inc. breakfast & 6 pm checkout.
Guides:
Tong – tourwithtong.com - One day in Bangkok
Saron Soeun – Sarontours.com – 3 days in Siem Reap
Choosing a guide was tough. There’s just no way to know in advance how you’re going to get along with this person – regardless of how much positive or negative feedback is on the boards. So, I couldn’t wholly throw all of my eggs into the Fodor’s basket. I booked Tong and Saron way back in February via e-mail.
Preparation and Packing:
I know there’s always a question on this board about immunizations. I get them. For this trip I needed a typhoid shot, malaria prescription and then the doc recommended I get a new MMR. That MMR hurt like a son of a gun.
We got the eVisa for Cambodia. For Vietnam, we got the Visa Approval letter through Vietnamstay.com. Both worked out great.
I usually pack carry-on only, but TC travels with a slightly bigger bag, so we planned to check. I went wild with the extra space and way overpacked. I took stacks of T-shirts thinking I’d be changing them all the time. As it turned out, I had one “magic shirt” that could stand up to the humidity and could be hand washed and dry over night. (I'm going back to the store this week to see if they have any more!) I probably wore it half the trip. I had some stacks of colored pencils and markers to leave in Siem Reap and I thought with those gone I’d have tons of extra space for anything I might buy. At the last minute I threw in an extra duffle – “just in case”.
Just before we let, Amazing Race showed episodes in Saigon, on the Bassac III on the Mekong Delta and in Phnom Penh. Saigon had just had monsoon rains and the streets were flooded – so I dashed out and got a pair of Keen water shoes. So, for shoes I had black walking shoes - nice enough for wearing out at night, tennis shoes, water shoes and a pair of flip flops.
Please let me know what wonderful shirt you found that helped with the heat! We leave for Vietnam in May and it is sure to be steamy.
dgunbug - it was the Columbia Sportswear Floral Tease Tunic. You can see it here - http://www.backpackers.com/travel-gear/index.php/P-63383/Columbia_Womens_Floral_Tease_Tunic.html The cut and color weren't the most flattering on me, but the ability to wick and hide sweat was fantastic.
Outbound Flights
I was flying JAL 61 LAX to NRT; while TC was flying an AA flight at a similar time. DH gave us a ride to the airport and TC and I parted ways, as JAL is in the international terminal and AA is in the next terminal over. This worked out well for me, as I could go to the lounge. The JAL lounge in LAX was small, quiet and had a nice selection of beverages and food. The sushi seemed to go as quickly as they laid it out.
I was in a window seat on the upper deck. I love the upper deck, it’s always a touch quieter, less busy, not as much walking through. I heard later that there was a group in business class downstairs that were having a jolly time, so I was glad to be upstairs. JAL had a nice selection of amenities, including ear plugs, face mask, toothbrush & toothpaste and slippers. The slippers were wonderful for those trips to the bathroom. Although the bathroom floor never did seem to get covered with those liquid drops I usually expect. There were noise cancelling headphones for use on the flight.
My seat was slightly odd. Right in the middle of the seat bottom there seemed to be a slight incline. I scooted around trying to find a comfortable spot for the incline, but it just wasn’t comfortable. I poked around on the seat and couldn’t find anything odd about it – perhaps it’s me? Once we were able to recline our seats after take off, that issue went away. But, once I reclined the seat completely to nap, it was as though I was on a handtruck that had been tilted back. The footrest was out to keep me from sliding off, but I found that every time I dozed off, I crumpled up toward the bottom.
I had the Japanese meal for dinner and the Western meal for lunch. Both were good, but I can’t remember what they were. By the time we arrived in Tokyo, there was a distinct smell of fish in the cabin. Overall, service was terrific and thoughtful.
Transfer in Narita
Upon arrival in Narita, the airport was clearly sign-posted and I wasn’t confused about where to go. I did have to go through a security check point to transfer to a new international flight. The line for the security point was ½ hour long and was slightly unruly – some people loudly commenting on the inconvenience, others outright trying to jump the line. In looking at the lines for those entering Japan, they had to pass through a thermoscan and complete a health info form to enter Japan.
I met TC by the new gate and we milled around the terminal for a bit. TC got some Yen from an ATM and we sat in massage chairs and got 10 minute massages for 200 yen each… and it was fantastic after the flight.
Flight to BKK
We flew JAL 707 NRT to BKK, arriving BKK at 11:25 pm. All of the amenities were the same – still loved the slippers. Still good service. The seat was a business class seat without a full recline.
Arrival in BKK
Immigration went very quickly and TC and I met up again in baggage claim. No problems in getting our bags, but JAL had done a doozy on my suitcase. At the airport I noticed some scuff marks on the suitcase. It wasn’t until I was at the hotel that I found a razor like tear on one corner of the suitcase and the two main zipper pulls had been totally pulled off of the bag. This trip overall was rough on my suitcase and it had more trauma to come! (Remind me about carry on next time.)
Once we got through customs, we set about looking for the DTAC store to rent a mobile phone. Unfortunately, we walked for a bit after coming out of arrivals and then we funneled onto a down escalator. Oops. As soon as we went down to the 1st floor, we were out of the arrivals hall – and the arrivals hall is where there is a DTAC, AIS and True store – all of which rent cell phones. We tried elevators, stairs and escalators, but there’s no way back… We finally pleaded our case to a security guard who let us back in. And after all of that, DTAC was out of rental phones and we found that the deposit required for the phone, about 17000 Thai Baht or 500 USD was too high (what if we dropped it?!) One of these days I really will get an unlocked phone.
Finally, we got some baht from the ATM, made our way to the metered taxis and got a cab to the Peninsula. It was the middle of the night, so traffic was quite light, but we still had to come to a stop and wait for an escorted motorcade on the way in.
TC had wanted to stay at the Mandarin Oriental; despite watching their rates for months, I could never do any better than $300/night. I was really hankering for the Royal Orchid Sheraton at $94/night; but had some trouble convincing TC when her heart was on the Oriental. The Peninsula was an acceptable substitute at $186/night (including breakfast). I had booked for the first time with gtahotels.com, so I nervously presented my gta voucher at check-in. As it turned out, they didn’t need the voucher and we had a lovely twin bedded non-smoking room (just what I had asked for) on the 9th floor (with remote control curtains).
It was now about 2 am, so after a quick shower, we called it a night.
Coming Up – Day 1 in Bangkok
Thanks Dreaming for your great report. We're not leaving home until Nov, so just keep sharing your experience.
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Me too! Keep it coming!
Thank you so much for the feedback! It's very motivational!
Before I forget, the taxi from the airport to the Peninsula with the meter on was 300 baht, plus tolls, which were about 90. When we got in the cab the meter wasn’t on, we asked for it and the driver turned it on – no problem at all.
I didn’t take notes on vacation, so I’ll be a bit vague about specific meals and prices. Where I remember the prices or general pricing, I’ll be sure to let you know.
T C and I are usually go-go-go on vacation… there’s no lying around by the pool when there are sites to be seen. Unusually for us, I have nothing planned for our first day in Bangkok. Partly because I was worried we would have flight delays, partly because of TC’s tailoring plans. Before we left home, TC said one of her primary goals on the trip was to buy silk in Bangkok and have some clothes made while we were in Vietnam. TC was going to do some research about where to buy silk, and came away with the impression that you could get silk all over the place. TC also wanted to buy a Buddha amulet as a gift.
In the morning, the view from the hotel was wonderful – the Oriental across the river with a great view up river. Water hyacinth drift down river and a number of long tail boats dash about. I made a stop to the business center to use one of their computers for internet access to send some e-mails. It was a few dollars for 15 minutes. Don’t you ever wonder why the lower range hotels offer free business services, but the upper range charge?
We had a late and leisurely breakfast buffet at the Peninsula. Lots of lovely fruit and a wide selection of breads and hot food. TC loves her pot of hot tea in the morning and after being poured a cup of lukewarm tea, she requested a pot of steaming hot tea. Afterwards they brought her a pot of hot tea when she came in – without being asked.
It was sporadically raining, so we ate inside with a window view of the river. We then bought a day pass for the sky train from the concierge (somehow they sell it for slightly less than the skytrain? About 10 baht less.) We also talked to the concierge about calling home and determined that getting a calling card from a mini mart such as 7/11 would be the way to go.
We took the Peninsula boat over to the skytrain, had our day passes validated at the ticket booth and headed over to Sukhumvit Road to wander. We stopped into a store here and there, not really being moved to buy anything, other than a 300 baht international calling card from a 7/11 (which turned out to be about 6 hours worth of calling the US), and then decided to pop over to the Jim Thompson main store to look at silk. Back on the skytrain to Saladaeng.
By this time, lunch was calling, so we ate in the café at the Jim Thompson store. I had fresh spring rolls and chicken in a soup with coconut milk. The soup was good, the spring rolls were very good. After lunch, we wandered through the fabrics, not finding anything compelling. TC is more a fan of raw silk, which they had, but with a limited color selection. The pricing varied, but for what she was looking for, it was in the $30/meter range.
Since we were now so close to Patpong, we walked through. At 2:30 pm everything was locked up tight and the area was quite quiet. We walked into a couple of the shops selling knock-off designer purses to browse. I’m a purse fan, but not a designer purse fan and these seemed to me to be obviously not the real thing. Remember how I didn’t plan anything for the day? Well, we then walked over to the Banyan Tree to check out Vertigo. Which was also closed.
Back to the Skytrain where we ended up at the Silom Complex hiding from the rain. We found a jeweler here for the Buddha amulet, an ATM, and a foot massage. We were walking past Massage for Health (4th floor) and looked in – it was busy, which seemed a good sign. We each had an incredible 1 hour foot massage for 250 baht. Did I mention it was incredible? OMG.
From here we headed to the Mandarin Oriental for drinks at the Elephant Bar. TC had wanted to stay here and couldn’t pass up the chance to look around. The public spaces were much more interesting and impressive than the Peninsula. From here we took the Oriental boat over to Sala Rim Naam for dinner. The service was impressive – a bit hovering. I believe our waiter stood at a spot about 6 feet from our table and simply stood there waiting in case we needed anything. I had chicken in a coconut curry sauce. It was good, but I think they toned down the spices for the foreign palate. There was a floor show while we were there – a Thai dancing performance – beautiful costumes.
Once we finished, the Oriental boats took us back across the river to the Oriental, then directly back to the Peninsula.
Up Next: Bangkok, Day 2, Day with Tong
We never take notes either. Stream of consciousness is a good way to go. Timely report, no penalty.
Panda - I'm hoping to continue to duck the penalty by finishing this in a timely manner. I have an unfinished Panama trip report in my history that occasionally weighs on my mind!
Bangkok Day Two
We had plans to meet with Tong at 7 am in the lobby of the Peninsula. Sure enough, she’s there bright and early waiting for us.
There are some strong feelings about Tong on the board, so I’ll just say right up front, we liked her. She was personable, chatty, engaging and a little goofy. Her English wasn’t quite as good as I had anticipated. Particularly when saying a historical name or place, she spoke really fast and I just couldn’t catch it. Didn’t bother me though, since I was more interested in getting a feel for Bangkok in the short time we were there, rather than the historical context.
Our general plan for the day was the Floating Market in the morning, then highlights of Bangkok in the afternoon. We drove out to the Floating Market and on the way we stopped at the Railway Market – where the market is set up right up to the railway tracks – buyers walk down the tracks through the middle of the market. When the train comes, the awnings get pulled in; rolling tables get pushed in – but quite a lot of produce is left on the group right up to the train tracks. When the train comes through, it passes over the remaining produce. Once it’s though, out come the rolling bins, out come the awnings and business starts again. The train comes by 8 times a day, so there’s a very efficient system in place for packing up and replacing. The market seemed to be a local market, selling produce, meats, seafood (and skewered frogs), but there were a ton of tourists there for the train event.
We got our first food treat with Tong driving into the Railway Market. Driving down the road, she pulled by a vendor and conducted a very quick transaction for coconut puffs. Little puffy hot treats. Arriving into the Railway, she got some popcorn with a sweet coating. I was already liking the food! TC, who doesn’t have a sweet tooth wasn’t quite as enthusiastic.
There was a decent “Happy Room” (Tong speak for the restroom) at the Railway, then we were off to the Floating Market. On the way we stopped at a local temple so we could get a feel for a non-touristy temple.
The Floating Market was also packed with tourists. We were on a small rowing boat, and for me, it was all about the food. I liked seeing the vendors cooking on their boats, maneuvering up to other boats to conduct a transaction. Tong filled us up with coconut water, fried bananas, iced sweet coffee (in a bag – which was fun). We pulled up to one boat and got our main lunch – noodles and pork with broth dish. So incredibly good, although I was using the metal spoon to get the last little bit of broth out of the bowl and cut my lip on the spoon. Once we got off the boat, we wandered through the vendors for a few minutes. I bought a couple of small purses with elephants in sequins (hmm, looks better than it sounds?) for about $2 each. There’s no bargaining from this vendor, the price is firm, but the price seems good so they’re mine.
After the market it was time for the ride back to Bangkok. On the way we stopped at a wood carving Handicrafts store to use the Happy Room.
Once in Bangkok it was off to a khlong tour in a long tailed boat. The river water level was apparently quite high and to get back to the residential canals we had to go through a lock. Waiting for the lock was a hot, sweaty business on both ends, which was a little disappointing as we had thought of the khlong tour as being relief from the worst heat of the day. The canals were intriguing. Dilapidated shacks all in a row, followed by a tidy mansion, followed by a small business. A few kids splash in the water. Outside of a temple a monk was throwing food to fish in the water and the fish were thrashing at the surface.
The boat dropped us off at by the Grand Palace (Tong having arranged for her car to be picked up and moved). Once at the Grand Palace, we were surrounded by incredible gorgeous craftsmanship of many kinds. The gold leaf is eye-catching, particularly in the sunlight, but the ceramics were astonishing as well. The Temple of the Emerald Buddha resounded with the chanting of monks- sitting off to one side. The Emerald Buddha is small and far away, but beautifully dressed.
The reclining Buddha at Wat Pho was partially hidden behind pillars, which made for interesting peek a boo views at the expanse of him. Now I can understand why all of the pictures are from his head toward his feet or at his feet toward his head. In the background, coins tink into prayer bowls. We deposited our own coins and hope that our own wishes come true.
Tong suggests a dinner stop before heading back to the hotel, but it’s a little early for dinner and we’re too tired for anything else. So, Tong drives us back to the hotel and we say goodbye, but not before getting her suggestions for a foot massage place. Once back at the hotel we collapse on the beds and before long our plans of going out and about are gone. We have a simple dinner of sandwiches and drinks in the lobby restaurant at the Peninsula. The bill is not quite as simple at 2400 baht.
We leave for Siem Reap tomorrow so it’s back to the room to try to pack our belongings back into our bags.
Up next: Knock, Knock. Bangkok’s nightlife comes calling?
Oh, good. Happy to still be along for the ride with you...
So off we went for our restless jet lagged sleep. In the middle of the night I vaguely hear a tap, tap. Can’t be our room, we’re tucked in tight for the night and it’s now 1:30 am. But the tapping continues so I haul myself out of bed and open the internal door to our entry foyer. Yes, it’s our door and it’s now pretty insistent tapping. I look out the peep hole and there are two young ladies outside of the door. I call out, “who is it” and they answer, but I don’t understand. Since they don’t look threatening, it’s 1:30 in the morning, and I’m not thinking, I open the door.
Outside of the door are two very nice looking young, but not too young, ladies. Nicely made up, dressed in tight small tops, short skirts, but classy, not tacky. Long, long hair, beautifully cut.
They take one look at me, wearing my Talbot’s PJs, my hair messy, my face imprinted with pillow wrinkles and they say, “oh, sorry”. They chatter back and forth, look at my room number, giggle and start tapping on the door opposite. The next morning the do not disturb is lit on the opposite room.
It may have been a couple of friends visiting their friend from out of town…. But that’s not where my mind went.
So these "young" women were not the foot massage recommendations of Tong?
Ha! No, No. Tong had recommended Healthland for the foot massage. With the "young" I was trying to indicate that these weren't little girls, but were perhaps early 20s.
To many of us early 20's is very young. However, I do get your distinction. It's another example of a great story being generated by a small risk, i.e., answering your door at 1:30 am. You can live on this story for years.
Panda - I got my first change to tell the story just a few hours later when TC woke up! TC was kicking herself the next morning for not having been the person to wake up and get the door in the night. She was appalled that I had no recollection at all of their shoes, but could describe their haircuts!
Siem Reap Day 1 (Overall Trip Day 4)
We picked the Bangkok Air flight from BKK to REP at 11:25. There was a flight closer to 8am, but we chose the later flight for a more relax schedule. I had tried to book the flight through Bangkok Air online, but could never complete the transaction online; so I finally booked through Expedia.
We weren’t sure what time to leave for the airport, so spoke to the concierge. He suggested that if we used the hotel car, we would take the boat across the river, the car would pick us up on the other side and we’d skip the bridge traffic and save time. In this case we should leave at 8:30. If we were going to take a taxi, we’d need to sit through the bridge traffic, but 8:30 should work as well. We left a little confused, as one was faster, but we’d still leave at the same time?
We chose the taxi from the hotel, risking the bridge traffic. We caught a taxi from the hotel, confirming that it was a metered taxi before getting in. As soon as we got started and I asked for the meter the story changed. He charged a fixed rate of 500 baht, including tolls. After some discussion we decided that wasn’t too bad and went with it.
Traffic on the bridge was indeed bad, but it wasn’t more than 15 minutes before we were through it and had a clear drive to the airport. At the airport we browsed with our remaining baht, buying a variety of face blotting papers (much cheaper then at home), tiger balm and other drugstore goodies. We also bought some food for lunch prior to boarding.
On the 55 minute flight, the airline managed to provide cool hand wipes, food and a drink. Upon landing in Siem Reap we all crowded around outside of the customs and immigration building while we received – one at a time- a health inspection form. Once the form was completed and handed in and we had passed through the thermoscan we entered the immigration area. Those with eVisa went straight to immigration, while those applying for a visa on arrival lined up (line was short). We got our luggage (and again, my bag had taken a pretty good scuffing but no additional tears or missing pieces), passed through the unmanned customs point and out to the arrivals hall. Our guide, Saron, was waiting with a sign and we went directly out to our car, a van, and our driver, Mr. Lee.
As arranged, Saron took us directly to our hotel, the Hotel Be Angkor, where Martin and his team were waiting for our arrival. We checked into Saffron (me) and Sepia (TC). My initial impression of Saffron was that it was a little musty, but once the AC was on and I was in and out of the room, I didn’t get that impression at all again – so it may just have needed a little airing. The Hotel Be Angkor has a personality all of its own. It’s not that of a 5 star hotel and it’s not a B&B, but it’s friendly, comfortable and wonderfully located by the old market. They’ll exert themselves on your behalf, finding you whatever it is you’re wanting, but it runs to slightly different beat. We liked it and liked it a lot.
After getting settled, I walked around the old market area, noting the fish foot baths in kiddie wading pools, the very close internet café with VOIP telephone service. Lots of boutiques, lots of massage places, lots of restaurants. Not a lot of tourists. I think in the middle of the day, people are back to their hotels, to the pools, to the restaurants, but not out on the streets. A lot of the spas were offering discounts from 12 – 3 to lure people in.
Saron picked us up at 3 and we were finally off to the temples. We were relieved that the worst heat of the day had dropped off by 3. The first stop was to get our 3 day temple pass ($40, no photo required, they take the photo there.) Then it was Angkor Thom starting with the gates. I had to keep reminding myself that I was really, really there. We went to the Bayon. Saron was terrific for guiding around crowds or in the opposite direction of the crowds and finding us interesting viewpoints for photos. What an experience. All of those four-sided faces everywhere. We spent quite a while exploring here and then back to the car (heaven. Cold water, cold wipes. Ahhh…). Then we were off for the Elephant Terrace and the Terrace of the Leper King. The Elephant Terrace was fronted by water and I gather that it was remaining from Typhoon Ketsana, just about 2 weeks before. There was a good deal of standing water left along roads, at the bus station and by the temples.
Eventually we returned to our hotel and made arrangements with Saron to start at 8 am the next day. We went to the old market for a bit of a browse. TC found a silk scarf – really more of a wrap that she was taken with, but not quite enough to buy. After we left Siem Reap and it was too late to buy it, it became the scarf that got away. Dinner was at Khmer Kitchen and we had an amazing Khmer soup – lemongrass, lime and chicken in a broth. The flavors were intense and tart and so good. I scooped mine over rice and ate it up. The entrees were about 3 dollars each.
By this time we were looking for a foot massage, so it was off to Bodia Spa for a foot massage. The foot massage was 22 or 24 dollars and it was sheer pain. The building was lovely, the foot massage was painful. My masseuse kept looking at TC’s masseuse as though she didn’t know what to do next. The pain wasn’t specific to my masseuse though. TC wasn’t faring any better. We both kept asking for less pain, more gentle, softer, “owie”, “oh no”…. They'd back off for a bit, but their knuckles would not be denied. We both had bruised feet in the am – mine on the arch, TCs on the foot pad.
It was off to the Linga Bar for martinis and recovery… Bean from the Hotel Be found us at the Linga Bar (just steps away from the hotel) and gave us our order forms for breakfast the next morning. There were several choices, including chocolate croissants, muesli, fruit and yogurt, eggs and ham(?), etc. They were pretty flexible on the choices and let me pick muesli, fruit, yogurt AND a chocolate croissant.
Coming Up: Siem Reap Day 2 (Overall Trip Day 5)
Thanks for the recom about your magic shirt. I just ordered one for our trip next April.
dreaming, Thanks for this report. DH is going to Siem Reap to visit his daughter and I was wondering how long was the ride from the airport to town.
great reporting
Wow! I get so excited when someone replies to this trip report.
Barefootbeach - I hope the shirt works out for you. I just went to my local REI and they had one (in my size) on the clearance racks, so I bought a second one!
LizQ - It seemed like it was about 15 minutes from the airport to the old market section of town. There are hotels on the airport road though, so he may be closer or further away.
Rhkkmk - Thank you!
Siem Reap Day 2 (Overall Trip Day 5)
As planned, Saron picked us up at 8. Prompt, professional, informative, interesting – Saron was a great guide. He answered a wide range of questions ranging from specifics about the temples to queries about political party signs to questions about advertising signage.
This morning we went to Ta Prohm (of Lara Croft fame). Ta Prohm offered a glimpse of what discovering these overgrown temples must have felt like. Coming around every corner and finding a new carving, a new building even more amazing than what you’ve seen before. The tree roots overgrowing the stones and clinging to the sides and tops of walls seem like they’ve been there forever and have become part of the building itself. From the Lara Croft movie perspective, there was quite a different sense of space – much less open – then it had appeared in the movie. It was here that we found a tarantula clinging to the underside of a lintel. I did some definite ducking and covering as we walked through the doorway.
From Ta Prohm we had a few minutes of AC in the car then it was Angkor Wat. The size of Angkor Wat is daunting and impressive. We spent a fair amount of time looking at the bas reliefs circling the walls of Angkor Wat with Saron telling the stories. Every once in a while a whiff of breeze would brush past and we’d gasp with relief. Going inside Angkor Wat, we were limited to the second level, as the third level was closed (for repairs? Can’t remember) at the beginning of October. Once we were actually inside, any breeze that existed was gone. Yet there was still so much to see, so much detailed carving.
We exited through the front of Angkor Wat, looking out at the pools and the libraries. Once we looked back at Angkor Wat, we could see the scaffolding on the front. We used tree placement to try to obscure the scaffolding in some of our photos.
As it was past noon, Saron and Mr. Lee took us to one of the restaurants across from Angkor Wat for lunch, Angkor Reach. Fortunately, we were seated under a fan. I’ve never sweat as much as I was sweating in Siem Reap. At one point I inhaled through my nose and inhaled sweat. Gag. Ick.
After lunch it was back to the Hotel for a bit of a rest. When Saron picked us up again, we swung by the offices for the Mekong Express and bought our outbound tickets for the Siem Reap to Phnom Penh 8:30am bus ($11). Seats were assigned in advance and we chose our seats there in the office.
We spent the afternoon at Banteay Srei. On the way to Banteay Srei we could see a storm off in the distance, looked like it was dumping a fair amount of rain. But it was clear up to Banteay Srei. Banteay Srei was a gorgeous jewel. Saron told us that it was also called the jewel in the jungle. The carvings were scrolling, detailed and deeply carved into the rose and gold hued stone. Breathtaking. A breeze came up that made leaves suddenly swirl from the trees and all at once Saron was rushing us to the car. We made it there just before the sky started dumping rain.
We stopped at Preah Rup for the sunset. There were a few other people there, but not a crowd. The views from the top were good – people herding water buffalo, views over the trees. Apparently Angkor Wat used to be visible in the distance, but the trees have grown taller and it can’t really be seen anymore. The sunset didn’t quite work out for us as the sun stayed behind the clouds. Eventually it was back once more to the hotel.
We had dinner at Soup Dragon on Pub Street; which was excellent for watching the activity on Pub street. It wasn’t jammed packed, but seemed to have most of the activity in town concentrated here. Tourist police and tuk tuk drivers lined the ends of the street. We had fresh spring rolls, and I had some kind of chicken in a coconut sauce (again!). This was served very attractively in a leaf folded into a square bowl and stapled shut. The sauce was so mild as to be bland and I had to track down some chili sauce for flavor.
After dinner we had a foot massage at Islands across from the Old Market. This was an $8 massage in more basic surroundings than Bodia Spa. And a much better massage than Bodia (but not as good as Massage for Health in Bangkok). Back once more to the Linga Bar for a martini or two to cap the day.
Coming Up: Siem Reap Day 3 (Overall Trip Day 6)
Thanks for such a detailed report on Siem Reap, absolutly fantastic, i am heading there from the 20th-27th of November and cannot wait.
We are staying at the Angkoriana Hotel also near the old markets.
Thanks so much for your most interesting report. How and where did you get Saron, your guide?? I am going to be in Cambodia from 28th Feb to 8th March - I have ONLY booked a flight so far - into Phnom Penh and then (after 2 days in PP) hope take a bus to Siem Reap. Have not booked any accomm. yet (need advice on where to stay) budget of $25 per night - intend to stay 3 full days in Siem Reap - is this enough? Then fly to Luang Prabang for 5 nights. Would be very grateful for any advice/help with trip.
And I plan to be in Siem Reep a few days earlier since I need to be in Bangkok on March 1. I, too, would like to contact your guide. He sounds wonderful.
Please give us contact info. Also, your trip report is great..thanks for the input
Firemansam - Thank you! I'm quite jealous of your trip. Hope you have a wonderful time!
SandraJoy - You can reach Saron at saron AT sarontours dot com. He also has a website http://www.sarontours.com.
Wonkyknee - I found Saron's name listed a few places online and I e-mailed him directly several months before we went and booked him. The bus from PP to Siem Reap will be easy - we took the Siem Reap to PP bus on the Mekong Express (there are other buses that run the same route)-it was $11 and overall a good trip. (AC and a bathroom on the bus.) I've got a card with a schedule on it. It on the card it says it leaves PP for Siem Reap at 7:30, 8:30, 12:30 and 14:00. I can't help much with the accommodations at that price point. There are several B&Bs listed on tripadvisor in that price range that seem to get good reviews - if people here can't help, you might try the Lonely Planet thorn tree.
In Phnom Penh we stayed at the Pavilion, which is closer to your price point, but I think their cheapest room is 40 or 50... It was really nicely located though.
Is three full days enough? I would have loved to stay longer and wish I had at least one more day there. But it really comes down to the balance of the rest of your trip...
Coming Up: Siem Reap Day 3 (Overall Trip Day 6)
I started the day at about 6:50am at the internet café around the corner from the hotel. The café seemed to officially open at 7, but by 6:45 the doors were open and they were setting up for business. Phone calls to the States ran about $1.50 6 or 7 minutes. The internet was inexpensive too – about 50 cents for 30 minutes. I sat next to a young man who was actively typing away sending lots of e-mail. When I got up to leave I couldn’t help but glance at his e-mail, “I love you. I miss you. I want to kiss you.”
Once again pick-up was at 8am. Saron had given us a few choices for our day and we had decided to make the trip out to Beng Mealea. There was an additional car and driver charge because of the distance, but when we read about Beng Mealea it appealed to both of us (or at least the Indiana Jones in both of us).
Driving out to Benh Mealea we passed a few villages, a few markets and the usual roadside commerce. We asked to pull over to get a better picture of a motorcycle fill-up station – the liter bottles of gas displayed by the side of the road. We noticed that roadside commerce was grouped by type – the sticky rice section of road, the dried fish section of road, etc. The drive was about 1 ½ hours and fortunately, there was a bathroom at the entrance for Beng Mealea. Beng Mealea has a separate entrance charge of $5 per person. We entered the temple through a lesser used side gate, climbing and scampering over fallen piles of moss covered stone. There was no one else in sight, and mosquitoes buzzed around us. It had a similar look to Ta Phrom, but the distance away from Siem Reap, the larger size and the damper stones made it feel incredibly remote and mysterious. It had the sense of space that Ta Phrom lacked. Once inside the temple, we found the usual tour groups, but Beng Mealea was still a little harder to get around, with standing water requiring hopping from stone to stone.
Returning from Beng Mealea we stopped at the Rolous Group, going to Preah Ko and Bakong. These were the oldest temples we saw and we were particularly interested in the brickwork and the inscriptions.
By this time it was after lunch and we were hungry and flagging. As much as we would have liked several more days in Siem Reap (and we weren’t templed out either!) we needed a breather. So, we let Saron and Mr. Lee know we were done for the day; we planned to go to the market and to, what else, the spa!
We had lunch at Khmer Kitchen so we could get some of that yummy Khmer soup again. Then we meandered through the market, TC looking for silk yardage and me just browsing. I might have been just browsing, but I ended up with quite a stack of scarves to take home as gifts. Bargaining was interesting. No one seemed to go down as much as 50% on their price, but each vendor’s starting prices varied widely for the same type of scarf. So, if I had a favorable starting price then I could negotiate to buy 3 or 5 and everyone was happy. TC found that a lot of the scarf shops had cases at the back with silk by the meter, so she was able to buy her raw silk by the meter. (And I got some too.)
Once we wrapped up at the market and took our things back to the hotel we went looking for a tuk-tuk. We had heard a lot of “tuk tuk lady?” and “tuk tuk?” over the past few days, after a couple of days of saying no, we finally did need a tuk tuk. The drivers all crowded around our chosen tuk tuk with our map to see if they could help figure out where we were going…. Our driver seemed keen to take us to his massage place, but we were set on Frangipani. We didn’t make reservations; we thought we’d just drop by and see what we could get. Once there I decided on the “After Angkor” package – a 60 minute aromatherapy massage and a 50 minute foot massage for $40. This was a real spa setting, with the massage and the foot massage done in a third floor treatment room that also had an incredibly long tub (8 foot?) and an outdoor rain shower on the balcony. The masseuse went straight from the massage right into the foot massage, so there wasn’t any transition time or waiting for a different person for the treatment. The whole thing was wonderful.
By the time we left Frangipani, it had gotten dark and Frangipani is on a very quiet street so we wandered over a few streets to a busier street and then had no problems catching another tuk tuk. We had dinner that night at Viroth’s. It was a fancier setting than the other restaurants we had been to in Siem Reap, but the food was just ok.
Finally it was back to the Linga Bar to our now regular chairs to end the evening with a martini. Bean from the Hotel Be Angkor came over for a chat and we settled our bill for our morning check-out from our bar stools. While we were at the bar there was a sudden down pour of rain and we were able to sit inside nice and dry while rain filled up and overflowed the gutter down the passage.
Coming Up: Siem Reap to Phnom Penh (Overall Trip Day 7)
>>>It may have been a couple of friends visiting their friend from out of town…. But that’s not where my mind went.<<<
Beautiful writing and thanks for taking the time to post, 'dreaming'. (Right up there, almost, with certain, all-time cherished SQTalk, 'TRs'.)
Keep up the good work, please kindly consider a certain Singaporean airline for your future flying needs (and a productive week of Asia business travel for all of you), and 'btw', any chance your 'nocturnal' Bangkok Peninsula moment occurred on floors 32 or 35? (All-time beloved Bangkok Peninsula business travel floors -- and deepest apologies for not revealing 'our' all-time favourite P floor.)
macintosh (robert)
but it ain't me babe/
(b. dylan)
for 13 days or so.. u did the touch and go, but
wow, you pulled it off it seems.
too quick and head spins, eh ?
ya, biz trips are like this too.
at least you did it, congrats and enjoyed all this...
so nice.
Macintosh - Thank you... And thanks to a Singapore Air promotion from LAX to Tokyo that tempted me into a previously unplanned trip, I'll be flying Singapore air (sadly, in coach) in February. We were on the 9th floor...
PassionSpirit - Thank you, the touch and go did work out for us. If we hadn't had the tailoring plans in HCMC I would have liked one more day in Siem Reap or on the Mekong and one fewer in HCMC.
With apologies for the delay. I've been sidetracked with an especially busy work week.
Siem Reap to Phnom Penh (Overall Trip Day 7)
We were booked on the 8:30 am bus from Siem Reap to Phnom Penh. Mr. Lee came and picked us up from Hotel Be at 8 to take us to the bus station. Parts of the bus station were still flooded from Typhoon Ketsana, but fortunately the Mekong Express was parked in a dry spot. Checking into the bus was like checking into a plane. They gave us claim checks for our luggage. Took our bus tickets and gave us the stubs, we got on the bus and the attendant showed us to our seats. The seats were somewhat narrow and there wasn’t much leg room at all. Not great, not horrible. For a little extra excitement though, my seat bottom wasn't fastened to any supports, so as we vibrated our way down the road the seat would occasionally slip off of the support and slide out from under me.
We were served water and a “snack hamper”, a small box with a “peanut cookie” and a “moncristo”, which seemed to be fried bread. The attendant made announcements throughout the trip in Cambodian and in English about items of interest we passed on the road.
The bus trip was interesting, seeing the countryside along the road. We saw more of the ongoing roadside commerce and were particularly interested by the stone carving vendors. Some were doing very sizable Buddhas. Homes varied from small wooden shacks on stilts to more sturdy looking brick and stucco homes. Once the bus trip started up, the TV screen started up, showing Cambodian Karaoke, lots of elaborately costumed women with men watching them, somewhat disturbingly more like stalking, from afar. It seemed like it was going to be terrible to listen to the whole time, but we were soon engrossed in watching a series that was telling the story of a girl, torn between two men. The story seemed to be told from the point of the view of one of the men and from the time jumping sequences, we knew it was going to end with a wedding, but not to which man. To our dismay, the DVD stopped working before we found out who she married… After that, they put on a movie.
TC tried out the restroom on the bus and said it was acceptable in appearance, but really hard to use as the bus swayed and bumped down the road. After a couple of hours, we had a rest stop in Kompong Thom. The roadside vendors at the side of the bus stop were the first vendors we found in Cambodia who weren’t willing to take dollars.
At the rest stop, the bus emptied out and flowed into the nearest large restaurant. We followed the flow and I joined the queue of women lining up for the restroom in the back of the restaurant. The line was long, but there was a way that the more savvy (or sneaky) were able to handle the line. It was middle ageish looking women and they’d sneak to the front of the line, indicating to anyone who protested that they were going to wash their hands at the sink. They’d wash their hands, when a stall opened up right behind them, they’d slide in. I finally got into a stall, used the restroom, then flushed and a gush of water flowed out of the back of the toilet onto the floor.
Back in the restaurant TC had gotten a table and the restaurant had gone from empty to completely full as the contents of another bus had emptied into the room. The waiters brought another woman, travelling alone, to join us at our table. Apparently we looked like we belonged together, as they also brought our check combined. TC, being braver or hungrier than I, ordered lunch and I got a coke. In a burst of activity, the restaurant turned everyone over in the ½ hour we had and we all flowed back out to the buses.
The next couple of hours disappeared in a blur of roadside until we arrived in Phnom Penh. Rain was pouring in Phnom Penh and there was a crowd of shouting tuk tuk drivers. We collected our bags (and needed to show our baggage claim tags). We popped into a travel agency at the bus stop thinking we’d try to order a taxi, as our bags were big and the tuk tuks small, but the agency recommended using the tuk tuks. Once we emerged, there was only one tuk tuk left. He charged $2 to take us to the Pavilion.
We had separate rooms again in the Pavilion; mine was directly above the lobby, looking out at the pool. I was a little concerned about noise from the lobby, but never heard anything. The room was airy and big. The bed had mosquito netting, but as some sort of crud dropped out of the folds when I put it down, I don’t think people used it often. I only saw one mosquito in the room, of course it was inside of the netting. He was slow moving and easily dispatched.
There was a safe and a blow dryer in the room, but there was no phone in the room and as they wouldn’t take a message when DH called, I gather they don’t take messages. There were 4 computers in the lobby with internet access for guest use (free).
We settled in and then headed out in the rain to see the Royal Palace, the Silver Pagoda and the temple of the Emerald Buddha. The silver pagoda was breathtaking with jeweled and decorated pieces. I don’t think we saw any of the silver floor. Most was covered with rugs, but wherever the floor was exposed it was silver tiles. Could that have been real silver? I had the impression of something underneath the tiles, as the tiles shifted and tilted underfoot. Perhaps the real silver was an underlayer?
Then we were off to the FCC for a couple of drinks and then dinner while watching the geckos eat and fight on the wall. Crossing the street on the way to the FCC was a scary experience after the relative quiet of Siem Reap. But it was only a warm up for HCMC.
We caught a tuk tuk outside of the FCC on the way back to the Pavilion. The driver lowered the side shades to keep the rain from getting in – fortunately because as we were driving down the street a man reached into grabbing toward TC. Perhaps her bag? And then we were past.
Coming Up: Phnom Penh (Overall Trip Day 8)
I'm really enjoying your report, sounds like a great trip, including the foot massages and the food.
Did I miss the date that you went? Your first post was Oct 29, had you just returned?
Looking forward to more of Phnom Penh.