But can we do it anymore with even tighter restrictions and stricter weights?

I did not carry on all my belongings when primate treks were involved. The footwear alone (2 pairs of boots) prohibited it.

Maybe a walk in DRC? Please tell me more on that!

This will not help your goal of one bag, but I made sure I would have happy feet for the treks. Granted I did a dozen trips up the big hills so there was more potential for problems.

-Feet first
Even though boots may be well broken in over decades, the stress and friction on your feet caused by traversing the steep, vine-covered hills of Rwanda and Uganda may irritate parts of your feet that normally feel fine. So I brought a variety of insoles, hiking socks, wicking socks, liner socks, mole skin with mini scissors to cut it, (toe)nail clippers, Dr. Sholes callous and corn pads, and anti-fungal/anti-athlete’s foot spray.

I took two pairs of boots in case something happened to one pair and to have the luxury of switching between pairs from day to day. In case of the dreaded turned ankle, I brought two kinds of supportive ankle wraps, which I fortunately brought home unused.

When I think back to my first gorilla visits in 1995 when the porters were barefoot, the above seems ridiculous.

-Staying well for the gorillas
I decided to gargle daily with salt water as an added prevention against a sore throat that might hinder my gorilla visits. I packed numerous little restaurant packets of salt. (I would not recommend dumping salt in a ziplock as it could be mistaken for something else.) I also packed more than the usual in the way of upper respiratory medications such as a chapstick-size Vick’s inhaler, saline nose drops, and decongestant, all because if you are blowing your nose and coughing you may be denied a visit to the gorillas. None of it was needed.

You may want some garden gloves for the stinging nettles. I found the gloves most helpful on the final approach to the gorillas. That's when you gave up your walking stick and had your camera(s) around your neck. The terrain between you and the gorillas could be some of the toughest to negotiate. All this contributed to some awkwardness and imbalance where you might need to grab onto vegetation or steady yourself with your hands. If you grabbed nettles at this point, you'd have stinging hands just in time for the viewing and photgraphy. So it was at this point I needed the gloves a time or two.

We did carry on only last year after having delayed luggage on the previous 2 trips and realizing how little we actually needed. We also had a stopover in Amsterdam (of course, it helped that it wasn't the middle of winter ). We each had a carry on plus a personal item. In my case a rollaboard (I like wheels) and a small messenger type bag and Mark had a duffle and camera bag (which I'm no longer allowed to carry after leaving it at a boarding gate ). If I was traveling by myself, I could've combined the contents of the 2 personal items into a slightly bigger bag. It helps that we don't have serious photo equipment, my Canon S5, a compact back up camera, video camera, gps and 2 pairs of binos plus assorted chargers and batteries go into the camera bag. You really need very little in the way of clothing (think layerable) though I still managed 3 pairs of shoes plus bought 3 more pairs of sandals while I was there if I can do it, you can!

This is the list I made for a friend when she went on safari for the first time last year:

For 3 – 14 day safari

Pants – 2 (1 could be the zip-off variety)
Shorts – 1
Short Sleeved Shirts – 3
Long Sleeved Shirt – 1
Silk underwear top – 1 (it was a lifesaver)
Cashmere or light wool sweater – 1
Something nice - a nice scarf or cheap necklace to wear to dinner if there's something to celebrate, or just because
Fleece Jacket - 1 (better if wind resistant)
Sweats and slippers to hang out in (a must for me)
Socks – 4-5
Undies – 4-5
Bras – 2
Sun Hat – 1
Walking shoes – 2 (wear the boots on the plane if you must!!) (I managed to fit in a pair of sandals, too, but I didn't wear them much)
Extra insoles if you use them
Bathing suit
Ear Muffs or hat, gloves
Glasses or contacts (and all the stuff you need for contacts)
Sunglasses w/neck strap
Back up glasses
Back up sunglasses
Thank you notes (for tips)
Toothbrush/toothpaste
Deodorant (unscented, small)
Conditioner (shampoo and body lotion provided everywhere)
Face goo - small with SPF 15 minimum
Sunscreen – 3 oz goes a long way, but take two if you think you need them
Lip sunscreen
Tide packets – 2-4
Handi Wipes – just a few, about 1 per day is enough
Bug Spray – small as most places have it
Tampons/pads as needed
Any meds you take/vitamins/Malarone
Camera stuff with lots of extra memory and backup battery w/charger and adapters - in your personal bag, not the carry-on in case they gate check you. Smaller memory is better in case you lose one (OMG!!)
Binoculars – I leave mine in the box for protection
Flashlight – a small powerful one - I use a small (not teeny) Maglight
Pepto pills (we take them every day whenever we travel)
Aspirin/cold tabs/Antiseptic cream/Bandaids/powder
Needle, thread, duct tape wrapped around a small pencil or pen
Something that has the time on it (I can’t sleep if I don’t know what time it is)
Rain pouch poncho
A small backpack or tote to hold your stuff on safari (this is my purse – I use a smallish backpack)
Bird/mammal book, southern stars book, diary

Put everything that needs to go in the 1 quart baggie into a 1 gallon baggie after you go through security (in case anything leaks). Always use freezer bags!!
Wear all the heaviest stuff on the airplane – the fleece jacket makes a great blanket and/or pillow
Use a duffle bag to pack – you can always beat it up to fit into the little box they use to see if it fits to qualify as carry-on. I use a bigger duffle than necessary so I can fill it with my purchases on the way home and check it if needed.

Do laundry on the first day that you get to your second camp - it will give it all a chance to dry. Put your laundry in a towel and wring it as hard as you can to make things dry quicker (or have the staff do your laundry)

I’m always surprised when we can fit it all in.

We were only allowed to take 15Kg on our safari flights, so we had to get it all to fit in a pretty small duffle anyway. You may as well carry-on!! The biggest problem you'll have is the quart baggie. Use a freezer baggie - it's a little bigger and much stronger, and when it doesn't all fit, weed out what you might not need!! 3.3 oz is actually plenty for every liquid/gel you need to bring, and bigger than you need for most things.

Good luck - I hope it's helpful.

Patty, Was the duffle left at the gate returned safely to you?

It was the camera bag that I left at the boarding gate and yes, it was returned to me before I even realized I left it. Someone turned it into a gate agent, the gate agent gave it to a flight attendant and the flight attendant brought it to me!

Thanks, gang.

Christa, there are several items on your list I had forgotten all about! And smaller memory for the camera--good idea. I can forgo conditioner because I have but one hairstyle on safari. It's called Ponytail Under Hat.

Lynn, in your feet- and throat-healthy list, what did you make sure to carry on--all of it? Also, how cold is Kinigi Guest House at night? Do I need warm pj's? The DRC thing is just going over to Goma, "situation permitting." I'd like to go. When I bought the Rwanda Bradt, I came across a company that does gorilla tours mainly in DRC. Wouldn't it be great if someday that was a sure thing?

Patty, your feet are no doubt much smaller than mine. That's probably how you squeezed in three pairs. But good idea re: getting sandals in Kenya. I'll wear my hiking boots on the plane (how very comfortable).

I need to get some extra pages for my passport!

I'm pretty excited. I hope I don't get hit by a bus before this trip.

I carried on everything last year for a three week safari, including boots for chimp treks. I was fortunate to have a business class FF ticket, though, and had a little more leeway. I use the Rick Steves' convertible carry-on bag. It's the correct carry-on size, only weighs 3 lbs and holds a lot of stuff. I usually just check it for the return home. If you're using a duffel, make sure that it doesn't exceed the measurements allowed: 22" x 14" x 9". Duffels are often thicker than 9".

It may all depend on who's at the gate as to whether or not you'll be able to carry both bags on. My camera bag is fairly large, (camera and camcorder with gear), so I had my RS bag grabbed by Swiss Air in Chicago one year and gate-checked (on an economy class ticket). I had no problems carrying it on in Portland, but Swiss had other ideas as to what a "personal bag" was and didn't think that the camera bag was small enough to qualify. Try to make your personal bag as small and light as possible so that they will allow it onboard. In case one of your bags is gate-checked, have a lock or cable tie handy to slap on it before you turn loose of the bag. AMS is especially bad about thefts out of baggage. I took a Kindle for reading materials last year. They now have updated their PDF feature, so I have all my camera manuals downloaded on it as PDF files. I did the same with guidebook info, itineraries, etc. That saved a lot of weight and space. Wear your boots, but take them off once you're onboard. I carry a large pair of socks that I slip over my regular ones to wear around the plane. Wear your jacket, stuff the pockets, and go for it!

You gals are great... actually amazing
I can't imagine doing a trip anywhere with only a carry-on.

And, nowadays when they check everything in carry-ons, and nothing ever again fits as neatly as you initially packed... it's a pain in the butt!

Sometimes it's not even the size of bag, but the weight. I recall at AMS there is a scale below the luggage sizer and if too heavy... too bad. Gotta check!

So, be sure to have luggage ties (and a separate nail clipper to cut) or lock, if at last minute they insist on "a gate check" for you!

Leely, if you can... go for it!

Great ideas! Christabir thank you so much for the wonderful list. I can't quite believe all of that can fit as carry-on but I'm going to follow it to a 't' and see how I do.

Really - use a duffle bag bigger than you need so you can squish it into that sizer thing at the airport. I also pack a travel cart in my duffle so I don't have to drag my bag around the airport:

http://www.brookstone.com/compact-luggage-cart-folding.html?his=2%7E46337%7E2%7Eroot_category%40kwd%7Etravel+cart&bkiid=searchResults|C4CategoryProdList1FDT|8582916

It works great! I just thought if I included that in my original list, you might all just freak out. I bought it on sale so if I ever have to leave it behind at an airport I won't be too unhapyy.

I got this list to work, and my friend did, too. Just remember - a few of everything, not a whole pile. Keep in mind, I spent 4 days in London on our last trip before S Africa and I still managed to carry-on and took a few "nice-ish" things for dinner out! I swear it's doable!! You are wearing some of it, so there's less than you think.

Let me know how you do.

Leely, I also hope you don't get hit by a bus! Too funny -- I thought I was the only thinking things like that before a big trip!

I haven't managed to do all carry-on since the liquids restrictions, so I'm not great for advice here. (We had to bring more things with us last trip than usual, since we were volunteers and didn't get things like free shampoo, and also had to bring our own water bottles and lots of warm clothes for winter.) I haven't figured out how to get 3 weeks' worth of liquids (contact solutions, especially, but also sunscreen, shampoo, conditioner, lotion... how do people do it?) into the sandwich baggie. Speaking of shampoo... to my memory, you don't get anything like that at Kinigi Guest House, but I'm sure you can always buy things when you get to Rwanda if you don't have room to bring what you need with you. There's an enormous 24-hour multi-story shopping mall in Kigali. Our other big challenge with carry-ons is the camera and video equipment, but it sounds like you don't have too much to deal with there.

I needed warm PJs for Kinigi Guest House (flannel pants and my fleece pullover) in late October. I'm not sure if it's always that cold, though. Walking around outdoors in the evening we needed our fleece layers, for sure. There's a nice patio there to sit outside and look at the mountains.

ShayTay uses the same method we do--wear your hiking boots on the plane, take them off as soon as you board and put some extra socks on (in case you step in something suspicious or your feet get cold). I only ever take 2 pairs of shoes with me -- the hiking boots, and my trekking sandals. I think buying sandals in Kenya is an excellent idea!

Boy, I'm excited for you. Wish I could come along.

Those luggage carts have been around for years and years. Airline crews (and then regular travelers) used them before bags came with wheels. And, you don't need to spend $50; plenty available for half that amount or less. But they do add weight to your bag and take up needed space.

I've had one of those for probably 20-30/yrs that still holds up for too many things never traveling anywhere.

Check your airline, Virgin was allowing 6kg per person in 1 carry on through London last month. They didn't weigh it, but imagine they could do if they decided to.

Delta allows 40lbs of carry on as does KLM in business (you'll be able to use a separate queue at AMS gate security). KQ is technically 10kg but I haven't had them weigh anything. As of now, the airports you're traveling through don't have specific 1 item limitations.

Good idea about the lock. I've been bringing a small combo lock since I started doing carry on only last year (I've become a carry on convert). I also keep a small, foldable bag handy just in case I need to check and transfer a few items (even a shopping bag will do in a pinch). I haven't had to resort to using either so far.

You'll need shampoo and soap for Ithumba but you can take the stuff from the Hilton or we'll be stopping at Nakumatt on the way anyway. Maybe the stuff I left last year is still there?

Having said that, we'll probably have to check a bag this year as we'll be attempting to carry on a travel sized guitar that way exceeds dimensional limitations as one of our "main" carry ons and I'm not sure we can quite manage 1 carry on for 2 people yet. Wish me luck!

I am freaking at Christabir's travel cart packed in the duffle, but I have not checked the link yet. That might settle me down.

My Rick Steves bag can be converted to a backpack, so I usually carry it that way if there is any distance involved. My camera bag is carried in front and I'm good to go!

Thanks for the additional tips. I hadn't thought at all about the weight issue. I might check a bag with the unimportant stuff but that means I'll have to decide what's unimportant.

As restrictions increase and weights come down, I think the carryon will become more and more of a feat.

For 22 days in Southern Tanzania, I packed in the large size LL Bean duffel bags. They are cheap, well made, can be monogrammed with your name for ID and weigh practically nothing. Laundry was done for free in every camp. I packed enough clothes for four+ days and had laundry done along the way.

Here’s what I took (ladies).
· 2 linen long sleeve safari/camp style shirts (great for sun protection and wind in the open vehicles)
· 2 pair of the zip leg safari style pants. (They wash and dry like a dream – mine came from Lands End)
· 2 pair of very lightweight linen long pants for dinners
· 2 pair of cotton Capri length pants
· 2 skorts from Lands End in the same material as the zip leg pants. (I don’t do shorts)
· 4 very loose sleeveless tops
· 4 camis
· 2 long sleeve very lightweight tee shirts –for mosi protection.
· 1 lightweight fleece (Lands End)
· A lightweight rain parka
· 1 pair of pajamas
· My Chacos-Zongs and my Keen-Newport H2 shoes + one pair of cheap “blingy” flip flops for dressing up.
· A big, wide brimmed hat.
· A swimsuit
· 3 bras
· 4 undies
· 2 pair of socks
· A couple of bandanas

We carried our photo gear in a Lowepro Slingshot 200 Backpack. It had plenty of extra room for binoculars and carry-on items.

We had absolutely no problems with either NW or KLM on our flights from the States to AMS and then on to DAR. Security was "same ol, same ol" and no one said a word about our carry-on in Business Class.

"6kg per person in 1 carry on through London last month"

Oh no. How will I carry on my camera gear?? If I can't carry it that will end my safari travel. Seriously

regard - tom

Stop, wait, answer - just don't fly through LHR
They are actually doing me a favor !!
Now how can I use those 100,000 flyer miles I have coming from British Airways???

regards - tom

I looked at VA web site for "hand baggage allowance" requirements -
http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb/passengerinformation/baggage/handbaggage.jsp
True, economy class has the one piece 6kg/13lb limit. But upper class is much more, two bags 16kg. So it's not a security issue, it is an airline issue. But I bet they "blame" it on security.

FWIW - Britsh Airways is restricting hand baggage coming into USA to one piece but of usual size and weight. They call it "security measures". Yet First Cabin can carry on two bags of twice weight!! Who are they kidding?? Will sanity ever come back to air travel??
http://www.britishairways.com/travel/flightops/public/en_gb?p_faqid=3939

regards - tom

"Will sanity ever come back to air travel??"

When people start refusing to fly and profits fall. So far I'm not one of those people.

I separate the sanity from the security issues, but as Tom points out, in some cases, security is just an excuse.

Leely,

Tell us more about Congo.

"...and profits fall"

Which airlines are making money?

Tom - use them on AA and/or LAN and go to S America. See atravelynn's trip report for the Pantanal and you might be sold!!

We were just talking about a flight one of my co-workers took from NYC to LAX. Over 6 hours on the plane with delays. No food, 1 soft drink, no blanket, no media. It's just no fun to fly any more!! I don't know how they get back to profitability, but I don't think this is the way.

"....in some cases, security is just an excuse." Most cases IMHO.

OMG, we didnt take half of what you all list!
Did get a bit carried away with the knickers though, hehe

christabir - Been to S America four times in last seven years. Every trip a problem. In Buenos Aires we were robbed in broad daylight in a public area. In Rio, 2006, we were molested and feared for our lives. S America, I'm not going back, all yours!!!

AA, yep, that could be the ticket!!! Getting to JNB though might have to change to BA at LHR. Have to look into it. Or, fly all way BA to JNB but on way home to USA at LHR change to AA? If BA keeps the carry-on like it is, size and no weight, then ok, that is what I've been doing anyway.

regards - tom

Tom- I wouldn't go back either. What a nightmare!!

We went AA to LHR and BA LHR-JNB last year. It was fine, but a long layover. We have lots of AA miles so we go that way. DH is tall so we go business on the long leg.

Sally- what did you leave off that list? I used everything listed on a ten day safari.

Tom, use your AA FF miles on Iberia through Madrid to Jo'burg.

Christabir, it's probably easier to say we took:
1 black jeans
1 zip off pants
long sleeve shirt
2 shirts
2 t-shirts (should have been a couple more)
polar fleece
2 shorts (1 on 1 off, although could have gotten away with 1)
2 bras (1 on 1 off)
3 pairs socks
Undies, are you ready for it?
10 pairs, hehehe
nightie
Swimmers
1 pair shoes
poncho & the smallest umbrellas in the world!
spare glasses, between the 3 of us we shared toiletries
We were gone about 26 days.
whoops, I forgot, 1 pair thongs, and a face cloth.
Only place we didnt wash was Ndutu, as we didnt want to waste their water.

Thanks ShayTay, will certainly check that out.

regards - tom

I'm an experienced carry-on packer--spent a month each in Europe, Turkey, Egypt with only a legal carry-on. Here's how you do it:

Only take what you absolutely need. Unless you are a very large or tiny or an alien, you can always buy another top, tshirt, etc almost anywhere. The planet is much smaller these days.

Pick a color scheme for mixing and matching outfits, for Europe, black/blue/brown pants with colorful tops works well, for safari stick with khaki green or grey. Everything in lightweight and modern fabrics that wash/dry easily and no wrinkles. You don't have to spend a fortune. My favorite black crepe travel pants are from Sears, they're gorgeous superlight refuse to wrinkle.

Wash a couple of things out every evening if you're doing your own laundry, that way it only takes a few minutes. It will be dry in the morning for you to pack up and go. I found putting stuff in a large ziploc bag with the water and soap worked well for preventing sloshing while using a pedestal sink.

The clothes aren't what gives me problems when packing, it's all the accessory stuff, especially with nobody to split it with.

Christabir's list is good, I'd change just a few things:

Pants – 2 both zip off/roll up variety-gives you options if the weather changes or the tsetse flies descend
skirt or lightweight nice pants-1 look very nice with a shirt and scarf and your sweater, also gives you something to wear while your other stuff is being laundered or drying
Short Sleeved Shirts – 2 t's or camp style as you prefer
Long Sleeved Shirt – 2, one that rolls up to a short-sleeve
Silk or poly underwear top – 1
silk or poly bottoms-1 if it will be cold at night or on treks
Wool sweater – 1 a cardigan can double for evening and warm wear
scarf- buy a necklace when you get there
Fleece Jacket - 1
Fleece pants -1 lightweight
Socks – 4
heavy socks/slippers
Undies – 4
Bras – 2
PJ's I bring a set of workout shorts and top for double duty or wear my longjohns if it's cold
Sun Hat – 1 a bandana can be helpful too
Walking shoes –one pair of boots if trekking, otherwise walking shoes, and a pair of sandals
Bathing suit (if it's color coordinated with your pants/skirt, you can wear it as a bodysuit/top under your sweater)
pareo
Ear Muffs or hat, gloves
Glasses or contacts & solution
Sunglasses w/neck strap
Back up glasses/contacts
Thank you notes (for tips)
manila envelope to put stuff in hotel safe
bubble wrap for fragile purchases
Toothbrush/toothpaste/floss
Deodorant (unscented, small)
Conditioner/shampoo combo
Sunscreen – 1 if you run out you can buy more or 1 facial 1 body
Lip sunscreen
Woolite packs- easy to rinse out
Gallon ziplock to do hand laundry in if sink is small
Handi Wipes or hand gel
Bug lotion – small
Tampons/pads as needed
Any meds you take/vitamins/Malarone/Ibuprofen/Cold meds/Immodium
Camera stuff with extra memory and battery w/charger and adapters - in your personal bag, not the carry-on in case they gate check you. Smaller memory is better in case you lose one
Cell phone/MP3 and charger, ear buds
Binoculars – smallest lightest you can find for your needs
Flashlight – a small or a small headlamp
Antiseptic cream/Bandaids/Ace
blister kit if trekking
Needle, thread, duct tape wrapped around a small pencil or pen
Rain pouch poncho or rain shell/suit
A small daypack or tote
Baggalini or keychain duffle in case you need another bag or buy too much stuff. You can pack heavier stuff in your carry-on and check it and use this as your carry-on with fragile items.
Bird/mammal/flower book, star book, diary, guidebook pages, notebook

Oh yeah, tom - I forgot all about that!! We flew Iberia in 2006 and it was a longer layover with the flight to JNB at around midnight. We went into Madrid for a few hours on the 14 hour layover. The killer is the long layover on the way home, but free is free!!

I have a question on this topic--the WS classic camps in Botswana say that they provide (1) bug spray and (2) basic toiletries. If we go, we are keen to carry on only, which these days is really only a problem for toiletries. Has anyone used the bug spray provided by Wilderness Safaris and if so, how is it? Can we rely 100% on it or BYO? Can anyone tell me exactly which toiletries will be provided at the camps (i.e., shampoo and conditioner, or just shampoo, body lotion?)

Also, is black a bad color for safaris? I understand khaki/grey is recommended, but what about black pants or a black fleece--OK or avoid?

Thanks!!

The WS bug spray may be for the room, not for use on your body. Take your own insect repellent. Usually, their toiletries will include shampoo, conditioner and body lotion (but my last stay at WS was in 2006; that may have changed.) Black is not a good color to wear on safaris. If there are tsetse flies in the area, they will be attracted to black, which is used (along with blue) on the tsetse fly traps. Also, black will easily show a lot of dust.

Bring a small bugspray. We used the stuff at WS but if you are going anywhere else you'll need your own. (I think the stuff at WS was "better" than we can buy in the US. Avoid contact with skin) Off sells a small one that can fit in your baggie. I don't take black - khaki, beige, light olive are my safari colors. WS also puts their toiletries in cute pottery (at least in 2006) and is refilled daily. Much more eco-friendly but difficult to "steal".

All the WS camps had bug spray called Peaceful Sleep which is 10% DEET in the vehicles and in the tent (for use on the body). We used that when bug spray was necessary and it worked fine. You might have to apply it a little more often as is is only 10%. All had shampoo,conditioner, bodywash, regular soap and laundry soap.

Black fleece is no problem but I think black pants would be hot out on a game drive. We have never had tsetse encounters at any Wilderness Camp in Botswana.

cj

In Amsterdam there is a great fleamarket called Albert Cuyp Market where you can get warm clothes for cheap if you need to. We were there in November and froze. Just don't buy their $2.50 umbrellas. Turned inside out within the first 10 minutes and others were littered the road!

fourwheelinit, you're back! How did your safari go?

I am going to try very hard to do carry-on only. These lists are very helpful. I'm not too worried about getting my clothes to fit; it's all the assorted gear and how much it's going to weigh that I question.

WS usually have two sprays in the room, Peaceful Sleep for people and something else for insects. I also found a great little roll-on version of Peaceful Sleep in the chemist shop at Jo'burg airport.

We have used repellent that comes as the pre-packaged towelettes. I believe its made by OFF. No worries with carry-on.

Umm, Maasai Mara sounds interesting...I better start planning too ! .

Leely, since I had a lot of camera gear, we checked in 1 bag for our trip to TZ (started from SFO). It was through-checked all the way to JRO. Should be the same for you, in case you have to check any baggage.

As for airport checks, they are just a bit strict at AMS in terms of patting you down and making you go through the scanning machine etc, but they do not scavenge inside your carry-on bags. Make sure you put all liquids in a quart size ziploc and also carry extra plastic bags in your carry-on. Never know when you need them.

Bottomline, keep your carry-on under 26 LB (12kg), and there should be no trouble (atleast that was the limit on KLM/DELTA/NWA). No one bothered to check the baggage size. One lady at AMS did try to gate-check my duffel, but as soon as I removed my binocs and camera from there, she could not whine anymore. .

Carry copies of passport on your person,keep spare/quick drying clothes (another set). I wore the same hiking boots throughout the entire trip, but we didn't go trekking anywhere . I think a lot less is needed in safari trips than one thinks. Carry a spare mosquito net, just in case the hotel/lodge does not provide one.

Good luck, will be reading this thread and other kenya threads for a future trip...

Btw, remember, you are allowed one personal item and 1 carry on. You can use a nice big laptop bag or a small backpack as personal item in addition to your carry-on and stuff some items in it, no one checks !

How much/many carry on you are allowed depends on the airline and the class you fly. Varies widely/wildly, check it out. Also I would never again put any camera nor any electronic things in check-in to Africa. In 2007 put a small camera in checked luggage, luggage arrived a day late and the only thing missing was the camera. Also heard many stories about missing cameras/electronics from luggage.

regards - tom
ps - did SAA airline cover my missing camera - no, they don't cameras and such. Another hint.

Okay, I accept the challenge. I'm going to try my best to do this for March 2011. You're all so inspiring!

As you all know, I am NOT good at packing light - but just have to jump in to say that if anyone is fair-skinned & easily burned - bring your own sunscreen, don't count on the ones that some of the camps/lodges provide as amenities. I did the first two times I went & ended up with a serious (at least probably second degree) burn on my arm each of the years. It took me both years & some very paiful blisters to figure out that the sunscreen they provide was probably a "minus 1".

The third year I used my own & didn't burn an iota.

Leely, the time is almost here isn't it???

Leely - when do you leave? Hope you have a wonderful trip - can't wait to hear about it! Is this your first solo adventure?

Cyn

Three more sleeps!

Cyn, this is my first solo trip to Africa--although I am meeting up with Patty and her husband for several days and heading down to Tsavo. Having dinner with Sandi in Nairobi too.

Packed almost everything yesterday; carry-on looks like it's do-able.

I thought it was really soon! Have a GREAT trip Leely! And say hi to Patty, Mark and Sandi for me!

Oh, meeting up with Patty & Sandi sounds great - hope you have a wonderful adventure!

Cyn

Leely, have a great trip and wonderful mini GTG with Patty & Sandy.
Will look forward to a trip report as I want to know what went in your carry-on!

It is my project for September!

I know you will have a fabulous time; your previous reports have indicated great sightings and adventures - even on travels outside of your beloved Africa!

Have fun..
MoneyB

oops I have already flunked the new "rules"
meant Sandi, not Sandy (sorry Sandi)

See ya in Nairobi, Leely! Did you see the new eles that were moved to Ithumba? If a truck full of eles can make it down that road, we should be able to Have fun on your gorilla and golden monkey treks!

Thanks, guys. Patty and Mark are just about 5-6 (?) days behind me. Travel safe and see you in Nairobi, Patty! I haven't seen the new eles moved to Ithumba but good to know we can make it down there.

Lynda, Kennedy and Val are supposed to meet Sandi and me for dinner too. Kennedy has arranged the Mara portion of this trip.

Have a wonderful trip, Leely!! And you too, Patty and Mark. Wish I could join you guys! Since this is a non-Africa year for me, I will be especially looking forward to your trip reports...

Thanks, MDK! Are you guys off to Mongolia next month?

Yep, we leave June 30th and get to UB late on July 1st! (Not that I'm counting down, or anything...)

We just put our deposits down on our 2011 Africa trip with my mom and dad (South Africa, Botswana and Victoria Falls), so once I get back from Mongolia we'll be right back in Africa mode. But for now I'm (mostly) concentrating on Asia, with occasional peeks on this board to see what you guys are up to.

Have a great time in Mongolia! Did you post your 2011 Africa itinerary yet?

OMG Leely, please give Kennedy & Val a BIG BIG hug from thier mum & dad!!! (That's Jim & I ) That's wonderful that they arranged the Mara portion for you, you will have a fantastic time!

Patty, sorry I thought you had left already - have a WONDERFUL trip too!

Thanks, Lynda! We leave next Tue.

Thanks, Patty. I will post some sort of Mongolia report and let you guys know, if anyone wants to read it. I'm not expecting much wildlife, but hopefully we'll at least see takhi (wild horses), and plenty of domesticated critters. Anything wild we happen to see will be a bonus.

I haven't posted our 2011 Africa itinerary yet, but I'll do that in a new thread when I get the time. I was a little nervous to do that, actually, since the southern Africa fans on this board are so... opinionated. We're working with Bill Given/The Wild Source (Predator Biologist), and he's been really terrific. I think he's helped us put together a great trip, and he's been a huge help in finding us ways to make Botswana more affordable (relatively speaking). I just wanted to do my own research and get his opinions, rather than getting too much feedback here about those expensive camps everyone seems to love so much on this board.
(I got a lot of great ideas from atravelynn's trip reports, too!)

By the way, Patty and Leely, I'm sure you've posted your itineraries, so I'm off to try and find them... Happy travels!

Leely and all those meeting up - Have a great trip. Can't wait to hear all about it.

Just got back from a 12 day domestic trip - all carry-on. We cheated and shipped the golf clubs. (Wolves and bears in Yellowstone - fantastic!)

MDK,
I'm not sure if I ever posted my itinerary but we're going to be in Nairobi 2 nights, Ithumba 3 nights and Finch Hattons 5 nights. A short trip and Mark said no moving around so much this time! We're also getting a new guide. Don't remember if I mentioned this but Julius has been promoted and doesn't go out on safaris any more but we'll have lunch with him and Serah in Nairobi and give him his guitar then. We were a little bummed when we found out but I'm sure it'll be fine. Don't be nervous about posting your itinerary (I know what you mean though) and I'm looking forward to your Mongolia report! Oh and we also have a 2 night stopover in Paris on the way home, almost forgot

Thanks, christabir! Wolves and bears, how cool. I remember our winter Yellowstone trip a few years back fondly. Seeing wolves was a highlight! I've been wanting to go back in another season but haven't made it yet.

Mr. Crosscheck is a luggage nazi and refuses to ever let us check bags. Somehow we have managed three-climate journeys, sometimes with snorkel gear, with just rollaboards and backpacks.

For our upcoming safari, we have more of a challenge because of the weight/duffle/BA size requirement. We bought some state-of-the-art lightweight Travelpro carry-on duffles, which come closest to BA's specifications. They actually look fairly roomy, but were advertised as luggage for a "1-2 day trip." I always pack at the last minute, but this time I think I'll have to do a trial run...especially because I just read that the Porini camps don't do laundry...can that possibly be true?

Patty, that sounds like a great trip (carry-on-only or not!). I think it's nice to spend more time in fewer places, especially since you've been to Kenya multiple times now. I would be sad about losing your great guide, too, but I'm sure it's a great step up for Julius and ESS will find you somebody equally cool. Please tell Serah we said hello!

Too bad you have to stop in Paris, though.

(Leely, have we officially hijacked your thread yet?)

Leely,

Good luck on your trip. Can't wait to hear about it. Do me a favor when you're at Macushla? We are going in August. The staff warned that it might be crowded in the room with three of us (doube bed and a twin bed) so I was hoping you can give me your opinion when you return. They offered a nearby guesthouse but I couldn't find very good pictures and those I did find didn't look very quaint so we went with the room in the main house despite the warning. Just thought it might be easy to visualize while you standing there.

Thanks and have fun!

Hi long2travel, I think we're booked in the nearby two-bedroom guesthouse, which is called Fadhili House. It has received two stars (out of three) is a brand new guidebook to to Kenya and Tanzania, which described it as a "gorgeous little bedroom cottage at the bottom of Macushla's jungly garden...with exceptional artwork...and decor reflecting a love of African culture and wildlife..." We're going in July and will let you know how it is.

Carry-on Update (and I thought I was neurotic) - My husband, the baggage nazi, is actually driving to LAX to see if our new duffles fit into BA's sizer.

Wow, crosscheck! Did you post the link to the duffels so we can see them when your husband The LN gets back from the airport?

I'm "cleaning" my house and cramming things in the liquids bag!

Here's the link to the duffels:

http://www.ebags.com/product/travelpro/tpro-xtreme-lite-22-rolling-duffel/97219 (they are very cool, and more soft-sided than they appear in the photos - purchased them online for $65 during a super sale)

BA allows 22x18x10 and these are 22x13x10 - 1100 sq. inches less than we're allowed, so we thought we were good to go. But there is a 1" plastic handle on the bottom, which concerned Mr. C.

To further complicate things, we just discovered that AA's max is 22x14x9 (although they ambiguously also mention 45" combined linear dimensions)...and we're flying AA from LAX-BOS-LHR. AA is pretty lenient, and we might get upgraded on one leg, so I'm not too worried about that inch, but it would be ironic if we ended up having to check our luggage after all these advance preparations. I guess the LN will have to check the AA gauge as well.

If you knew us, you would be shocked that we're planning so far ahead. We usually start packing at midnight the night we leave, and last year we bought our cameras the day before we traveled to the Galapagos (we still don't know how to use them).

Will report back after the airport run.

AA recently changed their policy to say that carry-ons must fit their sizers http://blogs.wsj.com/middleseat/2010/05/19/aa-starts-carry-on-baggage-crackdown/

Update: Mr. C did his airport run last night. BA was closed (on strike?), but sadly, the Travelpro failed to fit in the AA sizer. The agent, who thought Mr. C was actually traveling, rather than a Type A LN compulsively preparing for a safari, said not to worry and to proceed to the gate.

I thought this would inspire him to allow us to check, but no luck...He's now on a quest to find something similar, but an inch smaller.

Crosscheck, try the Rick Steves convertible carry-on bag.
http://travelstore.ricksteves.com/catalog/index.cfm?fuseaction=product&theParentId=8&id=139 They are on sale right now for $69.95. It's a great bag on safari and I've carried this bag onboard without problems, at least size-wise. The only time I had an issue was regarding its weight. Some airlines (Swiss in this case) have a weight limit for carry-on bags of about 8kg (17.6 lbs.) My bag was over 20 lbs and my "personal" camera bag was about 18 lbs... not acceptable, but the gate personnel and I had to check the clothes bag, even though it was fine on the previous United flight. The restrictions for Business class are somewhat less, but may still include the weight limit.

MKD, I'm glad to hear you're using Bill Given at The Wild Source for your safari next year. He's put together my trip this September (along with an extension to Zimbabwe.)

Hi ShayTay! I remember you mentioned working with Bill at our GTG last summer, which is one of several reasons I decided to use his company. I'm looking forward to hearing about your trip later this year!

I'm very interested in the content of this thread overall, too, since we'll have luggage weight restrictions on our flights within Mongolia, and my dad is already obsessing about packing for our Africa trip next year.

Crosscheck,

That's it, the Fadhili House! Every once in a while I think we should have taken it. It's probably booked by now but I would love to hear what you thought. We'll be a few weeks behind you, the second week in August.

Wow, I'm impressed. Driving to the airport! I noticed the luggage you found has wheels. Are you taking any intra Africa flights where weight is a concern? I'm an avid over packer and I love wheels but am afraid of the weight. We were eyeing Eddie Bauer's medium sized duffel which was very light.

We are using Egypt Air (in addition to Continental) which has a similar size limitation to AA but the weight limit is 17.6 lbs. I'm sure I can't do that without sneaking all the electronics into DH's bag.

I'm happy to hear that others are interested in this insane topic. We have now decided to abandon the wheels, for all the above reasons, and the boys have promised to carry my carry-on, so it's a minor victory for me. I will check out everyone's suggestions and report back.

long2travel, I know what you mean about not finding pictures of Fadhili. I was uncertain about it as well until I came across the glowing review in the guidebook. We didn't have much of a choice because I wanted to be in Karen and we were booking at the last minute. If it's absolutely fabulous, I'll let you know as soon as we arrive and maybe you can change. But the regular rooms look very cool, so you can't go wrong.

Thank you! Definitely interested in the luggage shopping so keep us posted on what you find. Congrats on the carry on victory. Told DH about your luggage nazi story and saw his eyes light up. Uh-oh.

As a follow-up, I did end up doing carry-on only. It was hard only because I went without wheels and my back got a bit sore. I could have made it with a wheelie, I just got paranoid last minute. This was the bag I used:

http://www.ebags.com/product/ebags/mother-lode-tls-weekender-convertible/143101?productid=1370035

Okay, so not the best-looking piece of luggage ever, but I got a lot of stuff in there. I even packed my binos and the backpack I used for gorilla trekking inside. I wore my hiking shoes, fleece, rain jacket and sturdiest pants on the plane (the luggage was not the only "not the best-looking" thing wandering about my vicinity). I also carried a small messenger bag with my compact DSLR, extra lens, back-up camera, wallet, glasses, sunglasses, meds and passport. My one-quart bag of liquids I put in the top pocket of that crazy ebag. Other shoes were a pair of Tom's soft oxfords that fold up very small and some flip flops.

Once in Kenya and Rwanda I expanded to the backpack I had packed.

If I can do it anyone can. Good luck all!

Congrats, Leely, on the carry-on accomplishment, especially getting the backpack into the bag! Did you fly on BA?

We leave a week from today, assuming my marriage lasts that long after all the stress that our carry-on plan has caused. (limited liquids and books, no Scrabble, too-large borrowed binoculars, etc.) We briefly considered your ebag because it would have worked for both AA and BA, but we also were underwhelmed by the style and not sure how we would deal with the convertible aspect because we're also bringing daypacks. Both ebags and Rick Steves need design therapy, especially Mr. Steves, who should know better after all the time he spends in Europe.

My office is now full of tiny duffels I've ordered that barely seem large enough to be gym bags. So we've switched gears and found lightweight wheeled soft bags that should work for BA. (We got upgraded to first on AA, so they should be more lenient.) I'll post the link if we do indeed end up using them.

More in my trip report...please stop me if it ends up being all about luggage.

Crosscheck - I want to know what your using. I'm in the process of luggage shopping now. We only have a little over a week so we are considering the mediem sized Expedition duffel (non wheeleed) and a "packable" back pack also by Eddie Bauer but it's in-store only so I can't include a link. They are both very light.

http://www.eddiebauer.com/EB/Bags--Gear/Luggage--Duffels/index.cat

As of this moment, there is a strong likelihood that we will be using the Sol Tracer, assuming they fit into the BA sizer (Yes, Mr. Crosscheck is bound for LAX one more time to see if they fit):

http://www.ebags.com/product/sol/tracer-21-rolling-duffel/150207

Also on sale for $20 less at luggage.com, but takes longer to arrive

http://www.luggage.com/asp/superbrowse.asp?clid=734&caid=&sku=ZSO1013&refid=FR52-ZSO1013

It is 22x15x10 including the wheels, and actually more attractive than it looks in the photo.

If the Sol Tracer fails the BA test, we will probably use non-wheeled duffels (possibly this cool one: 21x14x11 http://www.ebags.com/product/ebags/colorado-duffel-bag-closeout/117535), but I'm not crazy about that idea because we have a lot of walking to do with the T3-T5 change at Heathrow (and I'm opposed to those portable carts).

I love your medium Eddie Bauer expedition, but I don't think it will work for BA.

Crosscheck - OMG, you leave in a week! I would be in such a panic. Still clothing, camera and binocular shopping. Still deciding about insurance and wardrobe. I can't imagine factoring in gorilla trekking garb. Forget luggage and packing. The Sol Tracer looks good. I love wheels. I'm not sure I'd be willing to part with the extra few pounds though. Good luck cramming it into the BA sizer.

Ridiculous turn of events: Mr. Crosscheck and I just went to the airport to test the Sol Tracer in the BA sizer. He waited outside while I ran into the Bradley terminal with the duffel. It fit into the sizer without issue....but then got stuck! At first I blamed my poor baggage handling skills, but it took FIVE people to get it out - a BA rep, a passenger and three security guys. They finally had to turn the sizer on its side and push the duffel out from the bottom. In spite of the incident, the BA agent approved the Sol, but we're concerned that they won't be as lenient at Heathrow, so we're still considering non-wheeled duffels.

BTW, the Sol weighs only 4 pounds. I don't think weight will be that much of an issue for us, except for books. (I have a feeling we'll be ordering kindles at the last moment.) We were lucky that we didn't have to purchase binocs - people lent us Nikons and Steiners, which seem fine. As far as the camera, we already own the Canon G10, which was amazing in the Galapagos although we're not stellar photographers. We also ordered the Panasonic FZ35. It arrived today and it looks as if we'll all fight over it.

We're not seeing gorillas on this trip. Not sure I could cope with the additional wardrobe requirements.

long2travel - are you flying on ba with your eddie bauer duffels?

Crosscheck- I'm sorry your bag got stuck, and for laughing out loud while reading it, but I have to tell you that your luggage posts are really quite entertaining. We are using Continental, EgyptAir (spending a few days in Cairo prior to safari), and Brussels (on return). I know this is a carry-on only thread but EgyptAir's carry-on weight limit is 8kg (17 lbs) so carry-on is out for us. Imagine trying to meet a 17 lb. limit! Anyway, early on in my research I read something about using an oversized duffel as it was "squish-able" into the airport carry on sizer so maybe the bag I'm looking at would work for you?. The duffel I mentioned can't weigh much more than a pound but I know the lack of wheels is a major consideration.

Good choice on the camera, it got rated pretty highly at dpreview's "super zoom" review. Everyone likes a god zoom. I'm still comparing them. I wish I had binocs to borrow. We actually bought on a good pair of Leupold's 8x42 from another member's recommendation and in addition, bought 2 pair of quite cheap store brand, 8x40's, that looked surprisingly good in the store to me. The cheap ones were $29 each so you can't go wrong with that. I compared them to a $160 Pentax pair and they weren't too far off. I do have yet to compare them with the Leupold's so we'll see how that goes.

I have so many questions about your packing that the forum may be bored with. I know you're short on time but if you feel like writing offline please write to chrssc at gmail dot com.

long2, Lucky you - no carry-on! I do appreciate the invitation to contact you privately and I will take you up on it tomorrow. I fear I am boring everyone I know with this subject...even discussed it at length during a business lunch today.

I am proud to report that we partially resolved our luggage crisis this evening by actually packing - a first for us this far in advance. We decided the wheeled duffels were causing too much anxiety, and we managed to get everything for the boys and Mr. C into three 22" non-rolling duffles.

We still need one bag - I will purchase a squishable medium-sized Eddie Bauer or Eagle Creek tomorrow, and if I feel the need for additional cubic inches, I still have time to order Leely's ebag (even though I insulted its aesthetics). We are going to suck it up and bring lightweight trolleys (found at BB&B) despite the dork factor. And we get to send the Sols back, along with a mesh packing cube system I ordered from Sierra Trading Post.

You must be really busy with less than a week to go. Write when you can. I'll probably have even more questions when you get back... Macushla, the weather, packing, how the kids liked it, etc..

I'm about to go to the mall to check out backpacks at Eddie Bauer and EMS. I can't get happy with an appropriate size backpack for a carry on for the plane as well as a camera bag while on game drives.

Are you going to do a detailed packing list like LyndaS did? I think I'll be working off that one.