Photography safari in oct./sept. - where to go

Question first please, in northern TZ were the/your game drives allowed to go off-road? Off-roading is critical for photography.

Off-roading is permittted in most all of South Africas private reserves, Sabi Sand and Timbavati, and others. For leopards, Sabi Sand reserve South Africa. Wild dogs and serval not sure where they can be guaranteed. I've seen them in South Africa but very rarely.

But -tented- camps in Sabi Sand, not sure?? The Ngala Tented camp owned by &Beyond is a good tented camp near the Timbavati reserve (it is on &Beyond property). (And don't confuse Ngala Tented with Ngala Lodge).

To name one camp - MalaMala. Leopards and big 5 guaranteed. Off-roading of course. If you book as a single adult for the Main camp they will most upgrade you to Sable camp which means no more than 4 guest in vehicle. But then again you may feel MalaMala is too big a camp for your liking.

For more info comparing countries and camps from a pro photographer and photo group leader read this by Thom Hogan.
http://www.bythom.com/botswanaworkshop2.htm
(covers much more than Botswana).

regards - tom

Check out this company - I think it satisfies all your needs!!
I found them on-line when I was searching. Very nice people apparently. I never went but it is good to know they are there..

http://www.africawildsafaris.net/index.php

thx cary;

In the northern TZ it of course depends where you are if you can go ofroad. We did very little 'real' serengeti, mostly NCAA right along the border so we could go offroad.
In southern TZ we of course could go ofroad in selous, and not in ruaha, but I must say they still did in remote areas or for rare sightings

I'll have a look at your suggestions.
One remark though; Im not asking for 'guarantees' ... Part of why it's so special to see those creatures is that it is rare and really hardly ever guaranteed

Nikao, can't say I blame you for thinking about heading back to southern Tanzania---I'm giving serious thought to going back there as well. But I've also been thinking lately about heading to Botswana, including places like Kwando (Lagoon, Lebala), Selinda and Duba Plains. The first two seem to be excellent places to see wild dog, at least according to my reading, while Duba Plains is thought by some to be the best place on earth to watch the interaction between lions and buffalo (the 2011 film "The Last Lions" was filmed there). That area should meet your goals of beautiful wilderness and small camps. The $5000 figure could be a problem for Botswana, however (unless you look at a shoulder season). Worth looking at though, I think.

"Wildlife: would do anything for wild dogs and serval... big fan of leopard as well (duh )

Budget is probably around 5000$ (excluding international flights) and i'll be on my own.. (single supplements...sigh)"

Check out Mana Pools in Zim. One of the best values of late and lots of wild dog action there. Stay however many days your $5k allows. I had looked into going this Aug and was very enthused about it. It didn't work out due to some family obligations and I was hesitant to put money down without knowing when the elections would take place. There have been several good Mana Pools reports on safaritalk.

http://safaritalk.net/topic/7632-mana-pools-revisited-october-2011/

http://safaritalk.net/topic/7721-zambezi-canoeing-mana-pools-and-chitake-springs-sept-2011/

http://safaritalk.net/topic/7503-nzou-safari-matusadona-mana-pools-and-gorongosa-augsept-2011/

sdb2: excellent tips! Do you also have any camps you are looking at in particular?
I must say that most of Botswana camps/lodges are way to luxurous to my taste (dining areas that are real restaurents, swimming pools, airconditioned sweets... don't need all that )

atrevelynn; ah excellent tip. Had looked at that a bit as well, but saw a lot of camps where you would be with 8 in a car or something... gonna look into it some more.

As for budget.. don't think I'm going to increase that, also planning a trip to afrika in jan/feb 2013 with my girlfriend so need to have some $ left

You might consider Kruger National Park. Big plus for you is you can camp/tent to any degree of roughness you like. But big minus is that you can not drive off road for photography. And leopards and lion are raw to see. Rarety includes of course wild dogs, servals, cervets. Big plus is freedom of action to cruise around on the many established gravel roads. And cost, going "luxury" with a camp bungalow/hut and meals in camp restaurant, a car, gas, park fees, everything for you alone, i.e. not sharing car bungalow cost etc, $250 per day. Find a buddy and cut that roughly in half.

regards - tom

Kruger NP wed site -
http://www.sanparks.org/parks/kruger/

tom

Nikao, it was after some reading at another forum that I got charged up about the Kwando and Selinda areas. Hopefully Fodor's won't mind my citing another forum to help you out:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g293766-i9284-k5055786-Wild_Dogs-Botswana.html

The Duba plains area stuck with me after seeing the Last Lions documentary. What a pristine place! The camp only has 6 tents, so one would hope crowding in vehicles wouldn't be a problem, although their fact sheet says 7 max to a car. The camp is a Fodor's Choice in their African Safari Planner.

How about South Luangwa in Zambia? I love Selous and Ruaha too- they are a close second favourite for me after South Luangwa, and for me these parks have a similar feel about them. You will have to be lucky for wild dogs, but South Luangwa is excellent for leopard and the north part of the park particularly has a lot of lion activity. Late season (Sept/Oct) is particularly good for lion action as the buffalo herds get drawn to the river and the lions embark on a bit of a killing spree. As for avoiding single supplements, this is my specialist area! In South Luangwa I have found the following-

Robin Pope safaris do not charge single supplements, although this might be balanced out by them being a bit more expensive than other operators. They do only have a max of 4 per car. Most other operators will have a max of 6.

Norman Carr do a 10 night itinerary priced about $5000 with no single supplements. I think this is a great deal which is why I'm doing it in late Aug. The standard itinerary includes 4 nights at walking only camps (Luwi & Nsolo), but they are flexible and you could swap some or all of these for driving camps. I'd encourage you not to swap all of them, as walking is one of South Luangwa's specialties and the walking camps will certainly have the rustic, no-electricity feel you are after. Also, they are in an area which I'm told is good for wild dog sightings, esecially late season. Norman Carr also don't charge SSs at all after mid-Oct although be prepared for blistering temperatures at this time.

Some other generally well priced camps are Lion Camp and Kafunta River lodge, although they both charge single supplements.

Kaingo and Mwamba (Shenton safaris) are in a great area and really sell themselves on photography as they have a number of hides. However, they are quite pricey and have relatively hefty single supplements.

I also like Tafika a lot, and it would definitely satisfy your rustic requirements. I've stayed there a few times so they waive the SS for me, but otherwise, again, their prices and the SS is quite high. Unfortunately, rustic and small camps are often actually more expensive than larger more conventionally luxurious lodges.

If you are really serious about photography, you could consider this-
http://www.patrickbentley.com/news8480.html

You'd have to ask about SS- I can't see it mentioned. However, I've met Patrick a few times and I think one of his trips would be very enjoyable.

Hi Nikao
Try out other destinations in Africa and you will be blown away. At the end of the day the Lions and Leopards are the same but the different environments and scenery are amazing. Even try a Houseboat Safari.

Hope this helps.

Yours on Safari
Mark

thx for all the input!

and yes.. zambia is definitely an option as well, although I had more or less planned that for sometimes later to do as a selfdrive. How would you judge it to be suitable for that? would love to hear your opinion on it.

and sdb2, I got quite enthusiastic due to Last Lions as well so will check that out as an option as well! And I think im gonna watch the movie once more tonight for some inpsiration

yikes..the botswana camps are 1000$ + $290 per night or even more... that's a bit to much for my budget I'm afraid

@stokey
I like the sound of the 10 day with Norman Carr... although I would want to skip on 1 or 2 camps to be able to stay a bit longer in one place..
Kafunta has a nice 11 day itinerary, but their camp isn't as 'basic' as I would prefer, but still a good option. Gonna email them for some more info, as well as Robin Pope.

The others are indeed a bit to expensive..

I'm no expert on self drive in Zambia, but I think it would be a totally different experience than the sort of trip you've described in your question and totally different to the options I suggested above. If I were going to do a self drive in Zambia it would be more of a driving adventure than a photographic safari, and I would want to visit some of the less mainstream locations and drive some remote and adventurous routes. I wouldn't do it as a way to visit safari camps in SOuth Luangwa, for example. Most camps charge an all inclusive rate with drives included so there's little point in having your own vehicle. In SOuth Luangwa, the places that cater to self drivers eg with camping, are based around the main gate of the park which is a busy area. If you do your own drives in the park then you aren't allowed to do night drives. I know you've said you don't like night drives, but I think you should reserve judgement on that one until you've done a few in South Luangwa! I've done night drives elsewhere and nowhere have they been as productive as South Luangwa, mainly due to the high numbers of leopard.

Overall, I think a self drive in Zambia could be awesome, but it would be very different to the options I suggested above and not really an alternative as such.

For the Norman Carr 10 day option, I am skipping Kakuli and doing 4 nights at Mchenja so they definitely are flexible.

You might want to skip one of Luwi and Nsolo (these are walking only) in favour of extra nights at the more driving based camps. I know the Mchenja area well, and it's one I'd definitely recommend extra time in.

thx stokey... you said you were going in august and mentioned no single supplements.. is that for you specially? Their rates say that they do have single supplement in the high season.. not in the off season though (starts october 15.. ) would second half of october still be a good time or do you have rains already? (and clouds -> photography)

There's no single supplement on the 10 night special (the "60th anniversary classic safari") at any time- see http://www.normancarrsafaris.com/cm/rates_booking

I'm probably the only guest ever that went to Zambia, South Luaungwa, Robin Pope camps Nsefu and Tena Tena, 10 nights in 2005 and 2006 and saw one, just one, only one, leopard!!! But did have several excellent sightings of the Nsefu lion pride making puku kills.
here's one snap - http://tinyurl.com/7gn36x5
But have not been back to Zambia because I feel the camps have priced themselves out of good game viewing value (compared to other countries).

regards - tom

wow.. one leopard is still a leopard cary .. i only saw leopard on my third safari....
Currently looking into nsefu and tena tena as part of an itinerary .. do you have more info? what other camps did you go to and is it worth it to go to both nsefu and tenatena (as they are in similar area of the park ?)

Hi Tom
No, you are not the only guest to see only one Leopard. I had guests last year who went to South Luangwa and did not see a single Leopard nor a Lion. I was devastated for them. The only place IMO to see Leopards besides Lions with a guarantee is the Sabi Sands. Period! Botswana is on a par as well. Just updated our blog and Leopards and Lions are frequently seen.

Yours on Safari
Mark

A glimpse of a leopard in spotlight at night?? Didn't impress me, maybe because I'd been to Sabi Sand. BTW, Timbavati reserve just north of SS also good for leopard, will likely see them every day.

Soooo, anyway, I would NOT recommend Zambia for anyone's first safari. But that S Luaungwa is very special, the feel/mood/atmosphere there as if you have gone back in time 100,000 years. http://tinyurl.com/8yd8t5s

Of Nsefu and Tena Tena, we liked Tena Tena more, it is/was tented. Go to both Nsefu and Tena Tena?? Sure, but as you say same park area, really no difference in wildlife.

regards - tom

We're going to ZImbabwe in Oct. part of which will be tenting in Hwange. Mana Pools was originally on our wish list, but you need to fly to get there, which pushed it out of our price range. I'm working with Zambezi Safari & Travel Co. They might be able to help you put together a trip that fits your budget.

Our first safari was to Botswana with & Beyond. They don't charge single supplements, but unless you can go on a short notice special deal, will likely exceed your budget. But you might want to check with them. We saw a leopard on our very first evening drive, off road at Sandibe.

thx for the suggestion uhoh_busted... Hwange looks great as well, especially the prices are very reasonable as I can see..

Anyone who has been to both Hwange and South Luangwa who can share some experiences?

The last time I did a 10 day trip to South Luangwa(2010) I saw 11 leopards, which is pretty good since I did probably 40% walking. SOme were glimpses, but others were much longer sightings, both in the day and at night. My parents went last year for 10 days and did practically no walking, and they said they saw a leopard on almost every drive.

Oh, and I was at Tafika, Lion Camp, Chindeni and Kuyenda. My parents were at Lion Camp, Mfuwe Lodge and Kafunta River Lodge.

Nikao

I have spent a lot of time photographing wildlife in Hwange, South Luangwa and Botswana. From a photographic perspective, I would rank accordingly:

1) Botswana
2) Hwange
3) South Luangwa

Botswana:

This place is simply stunning with incredible opportunities, particularly in the private concessions. Based on your budget, I recognise these are probably slightly of budget.

A mobile safari would provide an excellent option, and you could probably get a private mobile for 10 nights if you negotiate well.

My recommendation would be to contact Alwyn Myburgh. He can run his own mobiles from Maun to Kasane. I also use him as my private guide when visiting the private concessions.

Alwyn is an excellent guide and will really push you as a photographer....(Email me if you would like more details) Though here are some behind the scene images from some of our safaris together

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.241342155933673.53709.113992542001969&type=3

There are a couple of options available, though this itinerary would be good.

3 nights Moremi
4 nights Khwai
3 nights Savute

Hwange

This place in September/October is what I would label 'cheat photography'. The water holes are all pumped and provide the only water source for miles around.

I spent over a month in and around the Wilderness Safaris concession in 2007. You simply sit at the water holes and wait for the wildlife to arrive. It is not the most pure experience if that is a consideration.

Dave Carson at Kazuma trails could setup private camps for you and easily combine the area with Botswana.

South Luangwa

You are not supposed to drive off road and the photographic experience is not the greatest...There are some interesting photographic opportunities, though compared to Botswana and Hwange, it will probably be more limited.

thx lbj2, can I contact you via facebook to get a bit more info on the Botswana suggestion?

Hwange sounds as a no-no to me as I don't want human-pumped waterholes to attract animals.. would feel to much like a zoo to me..

ive got some replies and by far the best itinerary was the one I got from Norman Carrs;

10 x NCS camps (2 x Luwi, 4 x Kakuli, 1 x Return to the Wild Sleepout, 3 x Mchenja)
Peak Season = $5390 per person
Shoulder Season = $4390 per person

SInce their shoulder season starts already at october 15, I can make that. Including the flight from lusaka to mfuwe of just above 500$ it fits my budget nicely.

The replies I got from both &beyond and Robin Pope only included 8 nights for this price, guess that's the SS / high season they are charging.

Any opinions on the order I should do the camps in?
I was thinking 4x Kakuli, 2x luwi, return to the wild sleepout and finish with 3x mchenja.
They suggested the other way around if Im correct, but mchenja seems like a nice camp to finish the trip
also I'm not sure about the sleepout yet, seems awesome but as I'm my own I still considering if I think it would be boring to be out there on my own instead of sitting around the campfire with the other people in the camp